posted July 21, 2016 08:49 AM            

I've often had trouble with females hating on me, especially in school. Generally speaking, the reasons were that they obviously considered me competition for males, and they were sometimes downright paranoid regarding me.

In my experience, far more women have wanted to put me in my place (somewhere beneath them rather than simply knocking me down to their level) than men, though this is complicated in my somewhat defying gender roles and expectations, which may also help explain why openly lesbian and very bisexual (and also asexual) women are generally much more tolerant than heterosexual & normative females (as a general rule, females are much more militant about enforcing this on other females, and males on males, but this is generally lessened somewhat outside of straight society), despite that technically I could be more of a romantic threat to lesbians than straight females had to worry about.

Other types of paranoia, from me being part of a homicidal satanic cult to being a criminal computer hacker, have also haunted me. Interesting enough, such paranoids rumors and assumptions normally come from females rather than males.

It might also be worth noting that my 3H is sextile to my 5H Sag stellium, that includes Sag Mars-Uranus, which can come off, intentionally or not, as a troublemaker, someone who challenges the assumptions of society, and I recall reading somewhere that Sag Uranus also can manifest as gender bending (just one of many possibilities), and combined with my Neptune, perhaps my lack of conformity and refusal to bend to the group mind rolls off me in waves, and that instinctively makes people feel nervous as they're not sure what I'll do (and if I have a "rule breaker" vibe then they could easily assume that I'd break they rules as they're tempted to break rules, which includes stealing boyfriends or "playing dirty" to win).

It might also be worth noting that this was the worst in my teen years (but started back when I was 6), which could mean that it was my own teen rebellion, lack of refinement, and finding it funny (with little to lose) to tweak people (which I did both accidentally and on purpose), but this was also when Pluto was transiting my 5H Sag stellium (probably made even more Plutonian in that the transited House was sextile to my natal Pluto!). This was when rumors of my being in a murderous cult spread, primarily by a high school counselor (female), though of others who spread such rumors, the one I knew of for sure starting them was a girl my age.

And I generally get along well with guys. For the most part, I've had far more male friends than female friends, though my closest friends tend to be female (and also outcasts like me, especially back in school, and those as adults were often shunned by other girls in school).

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posted July 21, 2016 09:09 AM            

My 11th house Leo Venus is sort of a lone wolf in my chart, making only near exact aspects to Pluto (square), Saturn (trine) and Neptune (quincunx).

I struggled with feminine energy growing up and still do to this day (even as recent as last weekend). I just don't relate to females as well, and find them sort of...intimidating? There's sort of an underlying "competitiveness" there that I can't describe.

I've never kept up a circle of female friends in my life, only really maintaining one or two close friendships at a time. As PixieJane mentioned, it was always the other female outcasts that "normal" females feared that I befriended. I had one girlfriend in high school that I became very close with because she and I were very similar, and she and I developed this "me and you against the world" type of mentality because we felt like outsiders compared to all of the "pretty and popular" girls.

I was bullied mercilessly by other females in elementary school so maybe this is why I became a little bitter, but I never understood why. I appear as fair, quiet, unassuming, maybe a little quirky - certainly not a dark, vampy vixen by any means - so it wouldn't be my looks they would have issue with, it must be something else. People are generally afraid of what they don't understand, so maybe because they couldn't quite grasp my femininity they shunned me? Just rambling here...

It's just something you learn to accept as you get older I think. I have a few close girlfriends now that love me and get me (though sometimes even those relationships are challenging) and that's all I need.

posted July 21, 2016 10:24 AM            

Deep down he is like a little boy. Very timid, kind and forthcoming. Very private! But people latch on to him as if they want to suck the energy out of him and thus feed themselves with something they weren't born with.

posted July 21, 2016 01:51 PM            

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My husband has Pisces Venus, ASC op. Virgo Pluto. He has issues with people. They think he's kinky, mean, tough, a player, a con artist and you name it! He has also had huge issues with attracting serious psychos in both men and women through the years.

Deep down he is like a little boy. Very timid, kind and forthcoming. Very private! But people latch on to him as is they want to suck the energy out of him and thus feed themselves with something they weren't born with.

I know he suffers occasionally when we are out and about because his Pisces easily picks up energy from others and it disturbs him. He doesn't talk about it a whole lot but I can feel it. It's as if he just wished a hole would open up and swallow him.

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That's interesting.

I have Venus/Pluto square (Venus first house/Pluto conjunct MC), and I also have Neptune conjunct the Asc.

I get a lot of attention from straight men, my wife picks up on this and finds it funny. I have no idea why this is; I have sometimes thought these aspects may be involved in this........

posted July 21, 2016 05:31 PM            

my venus is in scorpio conj pluto on the DC, since venus is my chart ruler I feel like this aspect has been one of the most dominating influences as far as me easily identifying with it.

id say from even the very beginning of my existence ive had intense experiences with others ha! even coming out of the womb was apparently a hazard, my mom was super stressed, she said the nurses were not taking her seriously and being rude, I almost died.. Venus rules woman, so when Venus makes a conj.. maybe this applies to the hard aspects too, it can signify the mother being very plutonian, and themes of pluto with the mother..manipulation..power plays.. which is very true, my mom is a scorpio with her sun conj Neptune..

since the very beginning
throughout my life, relationships have been somewhat of a challenge for me.. I can relate that a lot of relations with women end up being "competitive" and ive certainly experienced my fair share of bullying growing up. girls and guys alike.. my mom use to say how worried she would be of me because I was so sensitive, I cried a lot, especially with particular people, I wouldn't even let them look at me or touch me haha, she said I was a very kind and peaceful baby though.. just ultra sensitive and particular about others.. when I was around 2 this little boy ripped out my earring and around the same age this little girl pushed me in the deep end of the pool and I almost drowned. I'm not sure how I ever instigated this behavior? and like was said above.. people don't really know how to react to something so different.. and I remember keeping to myself often, people always came and went throughout my life, I was in daycares by the time I was 3 weeks old and I remember frequently being placed in unfamiliar situations/people which is why I think I detached myself so much. eventually as I got older and told to "toughen" up or "suck it up".. I built a very thick shell around myself that took a long time to break back down... maybe my Saturn squares? along with pluto.. and my virgo moon certainly makes a tall wall, but i learned to keep to myself and i was fairly suspicious of others at a very young age, in fact i was rather "touchy" so to speak, so maybe that's also why my interactions are so hot and cold with others.

The girls I did happen to make friends with, and this pattern continues to this day, were very "tomboyish" or "masculine" in general. this could be because my mars is conj my sun/merc and has tons of t-square tension, competitive energy Is there regardless so I could attract that? but my best friend in high school was a lesbian, and a lot of my friends are gay or bi. I don't really know why ha. in jr high a girl tried posting fliers everywhere that I was a lesbian, I didn't even try to deny it and played along because even if I was, who cares? i think there is a part of me that loves that shock value (probably from my mars squaring Uranus plus Uranus just making so many aspects to every planet/angle!) especially when it came to religion, sexuality or anything taboo, which i think could be partly why i get extreme reactions from people because everything i stand for,my whole life has felt different and i think that's what pluto represents is the unconventional, the bizarre and freaky. i had a lot of people try to oppose me for different reasons or challenge who i was by means i have no control over.. for example, race, sexuality..upbringing etc.

Multiple times ive had girls say that they have never been as jealous or envious of a person in their life except for me. one girl even said shes treated me the worst than shes ever treated anyone and she didn't even know why, it was just out of pure jealousy and envy. she would bombard me with emails and phone calls saying the nastiest/meanest things, constantly trying to threaten me.. both of the times ive been in a fight was because i was ganged up on, tried to talk myself out of it and just losing control. i feel like its been a constant in and out flow of this energy, whether its happening to me, or I'm unconsciously sending it out.

posted July 21, 2016 08:04 PM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
Oh wow @PJ i love reading your posts I can relate to some of that. How has it been with your partners, do they feel the need to compete with you or "get" you in some way too? And have also males felt threaten by you and accused you of something like having some sort of a hold on their friend or gf?

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I've only had one partner who was very competitive with me, and she didn't seem interested in me initially until so many other women were trying to snatch me up after a recent breakup of mine (so I think I became a prize to compete for), but she had a 1H Aries sun and stellium, and she was competitive with everyone.

posted July 21, 2016 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
And have also males felt threaten by you and accused you of something like having some sort of a hold on their friend or gf?

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Though for what it's worth, I thought I'd share something that is nice to recall, though it led to one of the worst experiences in my life. It was shortly before I turned 13 and I was having sleeping problems. A boy kept goosing me over and over despite emphatic statements by me to stop. It ended with us going up the stairs where he'd poke my butt with every step I took, so at the landing halfway up I turned around and kicked him in the face, causing him to fall (there were enough other kids that he didn't fall hard, but also couldn't catch himself either, and how they howled with laughter as he rolled down the stairs while I kept going up).

What was nice about it is that over the next several days multiple girls told me or passed me a note saying thanks for that, as apparently he did that to a lot of girls, and my reaction was much appreciated, even inspiring to them.

But minutes after the incident, I was called into the office where the male principal (possibly VP, I'm not sure now) scolded me hard for that. Being cranky from lack of sleep and naturally assertive (and this was about the exact moment Pluto started transiting my 5H Sag stellium) I didn't show submission, and said outright that the boy would not stop goosing me though I told him many times to stop. He dismissed it with a "boys will be boys."

I instantly replied, "And girls will be girls." His visibly shocked reaction to my saying that was priceless.