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Topic: Aspects/signs that someone will reach enlightenment in THIS lifetime
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Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 22, 2016 02:32 PM
What are aspects, signs, houses, angles, etc, etc, that may hint that someone will reach final enlightenment, also known as Nirvana in Buddhism, Moksha in Hinduism, in this current lifetime?Supposedly, once someone reaches enlightenment, they don't reincarnate, anymore. It's their last lifetime on earth. But please, try to add astrology on this thread. Nothing wrong with adding your belief, or non-belief, but at least add astrology, please. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 67477 From: Saturn next to Charmaine Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 23, 2016 12:39 PM
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 4384 From: Fort Collins, CO Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 23, 2016 01:29 PM
Pluto in the 12th if you truly whole heartedly learn to surrender, let go and go with the flow taking that constant leap of faith even if you are scared and having faith that all of it is designed to help you transcend, reach enlightment and detach yourself to anything you desire and any idea of how you should be.IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 4384 From: Fort Collins, CO Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 23, 2016 01:35 PM
Pluto in the 12th: http://youtu.be/nI4IF1faLBg IP: Logged |
missblyss Knowflake Posts: 276 From: Registered: May 2016
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posted July 23, 2016 02:43 PM
There are many different combinations that could result in this,I think the magic formula first and foremost starts with the belief in enlightenment, the second factor would be having limited karmic restraints in order to pursue such endeavors. Ie. someone who is born as the oldest of 6 sibling with both parents dying, may not have the time or energy to pursue enlgithment. The next would be adequate good spiritual karma to come across works of truth and guidance, and then lastly self discipline in order to apply the techniques necessary. So overall, scorpio/ pisces or 12th and 8th house placements... A strong jupiter or benefice 9th house... Strong 6th house, strong saturn, or saturn aspecting major planets... things like that should be beneficial. It's a delicate formula where it all must add up precisely to give the desired results! IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 23, 2016 04:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Pluto in the 12th if you truly whole heartedly learn to surrender, let go and go with the flow taking that constant leap of faith even if you are scared and having faith that all of it is designed to help you transcend, reach enlightment and detach yourself to anything you desire and any idea of how you should be.
Wow, makes sense, since the 12th house is the last house. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 23, 2016 04:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by missblyss: There are many different combinations that could result in this,I think the magic formula first and foremost starts with the belief in enlightenment, the second factor would be having limited karmic restraints in order to pursue such endeavors. Ie. someone who is born as the oldest of 6 sibling with both parents dying, may not have the time or energy to pursue enlgithment. The next would be adequate good spiritual karma to come across works of truth and guidance, and then lastly self discipline in order to apply the techniques necessary. So overall, scorpio/ pisces or 12th and 8th house placements... A strong jupiter or benefice 9th house... Strong 6th house, strong saturn, or saturn aspecting major planets... things like that should be beneficial. It's a delicate formula where it all must add up precisely to give the desired results!
Oh yeah, you need good karma to reach enlightenment!
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LittleBlackCat Knowflake Posts: 566 From: Registered: Jul 2014
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posted July 23, 2016 05:01 PM
Scorpio Asc (which I have). Pluto in the 12th (which I have). 8th house Moon (which I have). I will say this. Such placements do have great capacity for enlightenment but they are also delicate placements in a spiritual / psychological sense. My brother and I have all of these placements and more in common (sort of like astro-twins or something) but we each manifest it VERY differently. He has a tendency to breakdowns and mental issues b/c he knows too much and can't always handle it. I sometimes alternate between being basically wise, understanding, and insightful to being cold, apathetic, or distant (b/c the things I am aware of may lessen my tolerance of people). Where there is great enlightenment there is also great darkness.I also feel Sag/9th house placements, Virgo/6th house placements, and (believe it or not) Gemini placements can give great enlightenment as well. IP: Logged |
mirage29 Knowflake Posts: 5814 From: us Registered: May 2012
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posted July 23, 2016 10:34 PM
^ Sometimes I wish I had someone real to talk to about that.Here's a chart of someone who reached enlightenment. Then, at the bottom of the page, there are categories to explore more lists of charts. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Yogananda%2C_Paramahansa http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Personal_:_Religion/Spirituali ty_:_Mystical_experience http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Vocation_:_Religion_:_Spiritual_Leader/_ Guru ... (article) Asteroid Goddesses and the Mystic Way: Models of Spiritual Transformation by James Rodgers, MD http://www.astro.com/astrology/aa_article150402_e.htm (article) Venus, Mary Magdalene, and the Re-emerging Sacred Feminine by Emily Trinkaus http://www.astro.com/astrology/tma_article150407_e.htm
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ReadingTheStars95 Knowflake Posts: 1114 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 24, 2016 11:21 PM
I feel like everyone's chart is set up for their own enlightenment... Basically, that every chart is a person's path to their enlightenment, but, whether or not they reach that within this incarnation is dependent on a few other things. In a way, I feel like enlightenment can be different for different people.. And, I can almost guarantee not everyone reaches it by the exact same starting means. IP: Logged |
ReadingTheStars95 Knowflake Posts: 1114 From: Registered: Jun 2014
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posted July 24, 2016 11:27 PM
And..In regards to Karma, I feel like sometimes people with more karma are just as likely to reach enlightenment. It may seem as if though less karma would make it so we have less work to do and therefore would have less of a reason to come back, but in saying that, one who is able to work out a LARGE amount of karma in one lifetime may have the opportunity to learn A LOT. Am I saying people that have terrible karma are somehow more likely to reach enlightenment? Not necessarily.. But, at the same time, for some, it could push them to some very extreme, life-changing experiences. Of course, I would agree that less Karma definitely helps obviously as it loosens our bind to this realm. But I don't feel the AMOUNT itself is 100% indicative of a person's ability to reach said enlightenment.. At least, not anymore than a person's credit score shows how likely they are to pay this or that. Of course, in saying that, the likelihood may very well be diminished in someone with a lot of karmic ties. IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 4384 From: Fort Collins, CO Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 24, 2016 11:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95: I feel like everyone's chart is set up for their own enlightenment... Basically, that every chart is a person's path to their enlightenment, but, whether or not they reach that within this incarnation is dependent on a few other things. In a way, I feel like enlightenment can be different for different people.. And, I can almost guarantee not everyone reaches it by the exact same starting means.
Well said and I will add that if you are walking around thinking you are enlighten to me that is a sure sign you are operating from the ego still and are definitely not enlighten. I think people who are enlighten just are and don't even know it and are humble and are not judgemental. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 24, 2016 11:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by LittleBlackCat: Scorpio Asc (which I have). Pluto in the 12th (which I have). 8th house Moon (which I have). I will say this. Such placements do have great capacity for enlightenment but they are also delicate placements in a spiritual / psychological sense. My brother and I have all of these placements and more in common (sort of like astro-twins or something) but we each manifest it VERY differently. He has a tendency to breakdowns and mental issues b/c he knows too much and can't always handle it. I sometimes alternate between being basically wise, understanding, and insightful to being cold, apathetic, or distant (b/c the things I am aware of may lessen my tolerance of people). Where there is great enlightenment there is also great darkness.I also feel Sag/9th house placements, Virgo/6th house placements, and (believe it or not) Gemini placements can give great enlightenment as well.
Yup, Sagittarius or 9th house, may be a seeker, or searcher. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 24, 2016 11:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by mirage29: ^ Sometimes I wish I had someone real to talk to about that.Here's a chart of someone who reached enlightenment. Then, at the bottom of the page, there are categories to explore more lists of charts. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Yogananda%2C_Paramahansa http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Personal_:_Religion/Spirituali ty_:_Mystical_experience http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Vocation_:_Religion_:_Spiritual_Leader/_ Guru ... (article) Asteroid Goddesses and the Mystic Way: Models of Spiritual Transformation by James Rodgers, MD http://www.astro.com/astrology/aa_article150402_e.htm (article) Venus, Mary Magdalene, and the Re-emerging Sacred Feminine by Emily Trinkaus http://www.astro.com/astrology/tma_article150407_e.htm
What in their charts, do those enlightened people, have in common? IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 24, 2016 11:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95: I feel like everyone's chart is set up for their own enlightenment... Basically, that every chart is a person's path to their enlightenment, but, whether or not they reach that within this incarnation is dependent on a few other things. In a way, I feel like enlightenment can be different for different people.. And, I can almost guarantee not everyone reaches it by the exact same starting means.
Interesting, but a literal last lifetime/enlightened person. I do agree with you 100% with what you said/typed.
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Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 24, 2016 11:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95: And..In regards to Karma, I feel like sometimes people with more karma are just as likely to reach enlightenment. It may seem as if though less karma would make it so we have less work to do and therefore would have less of a reason to come back, but in saying that, one who is able to work out a LARGE amount of karma in one lifetime may have the opportunity to learn A LOT. Am I saying people that have terrible karma are somehow more likely to reach enlightenment? Not necessarily.. But, at the same time, for some, it could push them to some very extreme, life-changing experiences. Of course, I would agree that less Karma definitely helps obviously as it loosens our bind to this realm. But I don't feel the AMOUNT itself is 100% indicative of a person's ability to reach said enlightenment.. At least, not anymore than a person's credit score shows how likely they are to pay this or that. Of course, in saying that, the likelihood may very well be diminished in someone with a lot of karmic ties.
Yup, 'bad' karma can help a person have a spiritual breakthru!!! But too much can be a bad thing too. Too many blockages. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 24, 2016 11:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Well said and I will add that if you are walking around thinking you are enlighten to me that is a sure sign you are operating from the ego still and are definitely not enlighten. I think people who are enlighten just are and don't even know it and are humble and are not judgemental.
I agree. An enlightened person is not going to walk around saying that they're enlightened. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 1011 From: Another Galaxy Registered: Jul 2015
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posted July 25, 2016 12:04 AM
I do not think that there are any particular aspects that will allow for an individual to reach enlightenment, but it is the individual's own will and integrity that will define if they will be able to reach enlightenment or not. As souls on this earth, I do not believe that we as individuals have the power to determine if one shall reach enlightenment or not because that is entirely based on the individual, their convictions, their will and their willingness to transform and understand the purpose they have been given that will grant them the enlightenment that they may desire. It is all up to the individual. That is what I think. 1000th post ------------------ Aquarius Sun, Merc, Venus, Uranus, Neptune Scorpio Mars conj. Asc in First 8th House Moon opposite Pluto, Trine Uranus Have you caught onto the predicament I'm in yet? IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 4384 From: Fort Collins, CO Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 25, 2016 12:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by Electro DGX: I do not think that there are any particular aspects that will allow for an individual to reach enlightenment, but it is the individual's own will and integrity that will define if they will be able to reach enlightenment or not. As souls on this earth, I do not believe that we as individuals have the power to determine if one shall reach enlightenment or not because that is entirely based on the individual, their convictions, their will and their willingness to transform and understand the purpose they have been given that will grant them the enlightenment that they may desire. It is all up to the individual. That is what I think. 1000th post
Congrats Elektro! We love having you here, to another 1000 posts! Yay IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 1011 From: Another Galaxy Registered: Jul 2015
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posted July 25, 2016 12:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by hypatia238: Congrats Elektro! We love having you here, to another 1000 posts! Yay
Thanks! It's good hearing that, especially when hard Saturn transits make me feel worthless. Going to be turbocharged after these horrible transits I'm going through. Ironically enough, this is the only forum I've been tenacious enough to stay on, as on other forums I've only gotten less than 100 posts down lol. ------------------ Aquarius Sun, Merc, Venus, Uranus, Neptune Scorpio Mars conj. Asc in First 8th House Moon opposite Pluto, Trine Uranus Have you caught onto the predicament I'm in yet? IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 25, 2016 12:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by Electro DGX: I do not think that there are any particular aspects that will allow for an individual to reach enlightenment, but it is the individual's own will and integrity that will define if they will be able to reach enlightenment or not. As souls on this earth, I do not believe that we as individuals have the power to determine if one shall reach enlightenment or not because that is entirely based on the individual, their convictions, their will and their willingness to transform and understand the purpose they have been given that will grant them the enlightenment that they may desire. It is all up to the individual. That is what I think. 1000th post
Congratulations on the 1,000th post!!! IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1652 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 25, 2016 12:45 AM
Sulkyarcher,I've seen suppositions on this, but nothing that passes basic muster for me. There are a number of concepts and possible presumptions involved in these types of questions. While I do not dispute the notion that souls as human beings can become mired in karma and cycles of life on Earth with all its challenges and suffering, in my view it is unquestioned that we first enter this realm by choice, thus we leave it by choice. Just because you graduated from school does not mean you can never set foot on campus again. When you are liberated you are free to do as you choose -- again. Our thinking process seems to me to have inherited such myopic vision on the entire matter, that the suffering of Earthly life is a kind of punishment for leaving heaven or paradise or God and until we do proper penance for all our sins we are imprisoned here and cannot leave. I just do not see it that way. We are adventurers. We are brave, daring souls who chose to experience awareness in this dimension and who wandered far from home to do it. Not all souls do this. The desire to go back home I totally understand. But we are here as creators, little 'c.' We came to create. What will we create? So many folks have moaned about the difficulty of life and that they think this is their last lifetime. I doubt it. That's the spiritual version of "F.U. guys, I'm going home!" Each time we die, we are cleansed, and go rest awhile, then come back full of the zeal of Spirit to have another go, because we love the Earth and our family here. We rest on the other side with family, and we come back to adventure land -- to family. The Bodhisattva is a liberated being whose enlightenment is Compassion - unity with all beings - and who comes back to Earth school to teach and minister to the needs of others, like my namesake Kannon (Quan Yin). We can ponder a greener pasture of nirvana, but that is a state of consciousness that can be carried in any realm. The Universal field of Compassion. I was privileged to experience it once. It is right here with us. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 4384 From: Fort Collins, CO Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 25, 2016 12:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Electro DGX: Thanks! It's good hearing that, especially when hard Saturn transits make me feel worthless. Going to be turbocharged after these horrible transits I'm going through. Ironically enough, this is the only forum I've been tenacious enough to stay on, as on other forums I've only gotten less than 100 posts down lol.
I love reading your posts and appreciate your contributions here. Hang in there man, it will get better I promise. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 542 From: Registered: Dec 2013
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posted July 25, 2016 01:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Sulkyarcher,I've seen suppositions on this, but nothing that passes basic muster for me. There are a number of concepts and possible presumptions involved in these types of questions. While I do not dispute the notion that souls as human beings can become mired in karma and cycles of life on Earth with all its challenges and suffering, in my view it is unquestioned that we first enter this realm [b]by choice, thus we leave it by choice. Just because you graduated from school does not mean you can never set foot on campus again. When you are liberated you are free to do as you choose -- again. Our thinking process seems to me to have inherited such myopic vision on the entire matter, that the suffering of Earthly life is a kind of punishment for leaving heaven or paradise or God and until we do proper penance for all our sins we are imprisoned here and cannot leave. I just do not see it that way. We are adventurers. We are brave, daring souls who chose to experience awareness in this dimension and who wandered far from home to do it. Not all souls do this. The desire to go back home I totally understand. But we are here as creators, little 'c.' We came to create. What will we create? So many folks have moaned about the difficulty of life and that they think this is their last lifetime. I doubt it. That's the spiritual version of "F.U. guys, I'm going home!" Each time we die, we are cleansed, and go rest awhile, then come back full of the zeal of Spirit to have another go, because we love the Earth and our family here. We rest on the other side with family, and we come back to adventure land -- to family. The Bodhisattva is a liberated being whose enlightenment is Compassion - unity with all beings - and who comes back to Earth school to teach and minister to the needs of others, like my namesake Kannon (Quan Yin). We can ponder a greener pasture of nirvana, but that is a state of consciousness that can be carried in any realm. The Universal field of Compassion. I was privileged to experience it once. It is right here with us. [/B]
I agree, a person might get to come back to earth, or other spiritual planes, again, if they want to. My guess, is that they tend to be more selfless than other souls. Not perfect, but more selfless.
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hypatia238 Moderator Posts: 4384 From: Fort Collins, CO Registered: Sep 2014
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posted July 25, 2016 01:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: Sulkyarcher,I've seen suppositions on this, but nothing that passes basic muster for me. There are a number of concepts and possible presumptions involved in these types of questions. While I do not dispute the notion that souls as human beings can become mired in karma and cycles of life on Earth with all its challenges and suffering, in my view it is unquestioned that we first enter this realm [b]by choice, thus we leave it by choice. Just because you graduated from school does not mean you can never set foot on campus again. When you are liberated you are free to do as you choose -- again. Our thinking process seems to me to have inherited such myopic vision on the entire matter, that the suffering of Earthly life is a kind of punishment for leaving heaven or paradise or God and until we do proper penance for all our sins we are imprisoned here and cannot leave. I just do not see it that way. We are adventurers. We are brave, daring souls who chose to experience awareness in this dimension and who wandered far from home to do it. Not all souls do this. The desire to go back home I totally understand. But we are here as creators, little 'c.' We came to create. What will we create? So many folks have moaned about the difficulty of life and that they think this is their last lifetime. I doubt it. That's the spiritual version of "F.U. guys, I'm going home!" Each time we die, we are cleansed, and go rest awhile, then come back full of the zeal of Spirit to have another go, because we love the Earth and our family here. We rest on the other side with family, and we come back to adventure land -- to family. The Bodhisattva is a liberated being whose enlightenment is Compassion - unity with all beings - and who comes back to Earth school to teach and minister to the needs of others, like my namesake Kannon (Quan Yin). We can ponder a greener pasture of nirvana, but that is a state of consciousness that can be carried in any realm. The Universal field of Compassion. I was privileged to experience it once. It is right here with us. [/B]
Wow beautiful, I like how you see it. IP: Logged | |