posted July 25, 2016 11:00 AM            

If you want to check, pay particular attention to

a) planets on the Solar Return angles (preferably within 5 degree orb, but 8 degrees are okay too)

b) houseplacements of especially Sun, Moon and ruler of the Solar Return ASC and natal chartruler (of course other planets in houses play a role, too.)

c) Moon degrees and aspects

e) which natal house falls onto the Solar Return ASC and Solar Return MC in particulare (those will be "drawn to the foreground").

posted July 25, 2016 02:08 PM            

ASC
SF: 2.34 Leo
astro: 2.36 Leo

posted July 25, 2016 03:04 PM            

Make a Solar return in the sidereal zodiac
save the data on astro.com (as birthchart)
then click on the saved data, change the zodiac to tropical - et voila! you have your tropical PRECESSED return.

posted July 25, 2016 03:50 PM            

2014 SR Precessed:
SR Chart ruler Moon
Natal Chart ruler Venus in Gemini fell in 12th
Sun square Moon 8
SR Moon sq SR Asc 5 degrees
SR Moon square natal Saturn 4
SR Moon sq Natal Uranus 4
SR Moon sq Natal Chiron 2

Moon conjunct Uranus in 10th 16 Aries by 30 minutes= Ups and Downs concerning Mother's health
relationship between my mother change drastically.
More visibility at work

Mercury & Venus in 12th= Spend time caring for sick in hospitals/confined places.
Frequent trips to hospitals.
Venus at 29 Gemini

Saturn and Vertex in 5th end a relationship.

Natal Chiron 19'31 conjunct SR Precessed Asc in Cancer 21

Mars in 4th
damages to house and conflict with family.

Sun in 1st conjunct asc by 4 degrees personal development.

Natal Saturn conjunct SR Precessed Dsc by 6 mins

SR 2014
SR Chart ruler Uranus
Natal chart ruler fell in 5th
Moon 12 Aries

Natal moon sq tr Neptune 4

Natal asc opposite SR MC 1 degree

No 12th house placements

Venus and Mercury in 5th.....lmao no.

Moon conjunct Uranus in 2nd no major spending or unexpected earnings or costs.

Neptune in the 1st

Sun and Jupiter in 6th no personal paramount health problems that year.

posted July 25, 2016 04:27 PM            

the ASC in the non precessed was in Cancer, which fell in my 5th house ( love and romance for this year).
The tension was found in the 4th house - a Mars-Saturn conjunction ( home situation) squaring exactly the Moon-Venus conjunction in the 1st ( myself, the things that makes me happy, love = Moon+Venus conjunction).
Uranus was right on top of the MC - so much shattering changes.

The Ppecesed chart was valid to a degree too - the ASC fell in my natal 12th house. The Moon did not conjunct Venus in this chart, but it was positioned along with the Sun in the 7th house showing an year of relationships. Venus was found in the 6th house where the love was for that year.

posted July 25, 2016 05:10 PM            

I will tell you an event and list the important features of each Return (not telling you if precessed or non precessed) and YOU do the verdict!

1. my brother`s girlfriend Solar Return for this year, since she is expecting their baby
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A) ASC Sagittarius conjunct Saturn by 2 degrees - both conjunct her n Uranus in 8th house (all under 3 degrees)

Saturn rules her 10th house natally;

SR IC in Aries conjunct SR Uranus by 4 degrees, falling into her n 12th house

SR Vertex in n 4th house but conjunct n 5th house cusp with one degree

SR Moon in Cancer conjunct n IC ( degrees) and opposing SR Pluto (4 degrees)

B) SR ASC in Cancer conjunct SR Moon, also in Cancer, with 5 degrees
overlaying natal 4th house

° SR Moon opposing SR Pluto with 1 degree, with SR Pluto being 6 degrees conjunct SR DESC (but in 6th house)

Pluto ruling the SR 5th house

° SR MC in Pisces EXACT conjunct Sun and conj. Mercury by 5 degrees (and Chiron which is exact conj. Mercury

° SR IC in Virgo conjunct SR NN with 5 degrees

° SR IC conjunct n Moon with 2 degrees
so SR MC-IC overlaying her natal fullmoon

° SR Vertex in Sagittarius in SR 5th house conjunct n SN in n 8th house exact, and n Uranus by 4 degrees

Your verdict?

posted July 26, 2016 04:55 AM            

it is.

posted July 26, 2016 12:48 PM            

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3 marriage year Solar Returns
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CASE 1:

- got married after 3 years of dating, and 2 years of engagement
- bride 3 months pregnant, but that was not the reason for the marriage
- moved in together with the time of the marriage (had not shared a home before)

wife
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A.
° SR DESC widely conjunct SR Saturn (7°), ruler of n DESC

° SR MC conjunct Sun exact

° SR IC conjunct SR Mars (3)

This was interesting synastrically, as the husbands Moon fell closely onto the SR IC-Mars.

PRECESSED

B.

SR ASC conjunct SR Pluto exact

SR ASC conjunct n Saturn (2-3), ruler of DESC

SR DESC conjunct n Jupiter exact

Sr MC conjunct SR Saturn (3), ruler of DESC

SR MC conjunct n ASC (3)

NON PRECESSED

husband
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A.
° SR ASC conjunct SR Uranus exact

° SR IC conjunct SR Venus (5)

° SR DESC conjunct n Moon (3)

° SR IC conjunct n Sun (2)

° SR IC conjunct n Jupiter (4), ruler of IC

PRECESSED

B.

° Sr IC conjunct SR Pluto (3)

° SR IC conjunct n Mars exact

° SR MC conjunct n NN exact

° SR DESC conjunct Sun (1)

° SR DESC conjunct SR Venus (2)

NON PRECESSED

in this case I think the non-precessed ones are more fitting, though we could make a case for the husbands precessed one, too, as marriage would of course affect the IC as well, and the MC:

posted July 26, 2016 12:56 PM            

° got married after approximately 4 years of dating (and a longer friendship)

° already shared a home, having moved in together 1-2 years prior

° no pregnancy (the first child was born only 4 years later)

° the priest who wed them called them a "boring old couple despite being so young" (as they insisted on their vows emphasizing the idea of support and friendship and commitment instead of romance.

WIFE
------

A.

SR DESC conjunct SR NN (2)

SR MC conjunct Sun exact

SR MC conjunct SR Mercury (1), ruler of IC

SR MC conjunct SR Venus (5)

SR ASC conjunct n Vertex exact

NON PRECESSED

B.

SR DESC conjunct SR Pluto (4)

SR DESC conjunct n Neptune (1), ruler MC

SR IC widely conj. n Saturn (6), ruler DESC

And also SR Saturn conjunct n ASC exact (Saturn ruling DESC).

PRECESSED

husband
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A.
SR DESC widely conjunct SR NN (6)

SR ICOnjunct SR Uranus exact 0°00 orb

SR DESC conjunct n IC exact

NON PRECESSED

B.

SR MC conjunct Sun (3), r DESC (in n 1st)

SR DESC conjunct n Uranus (3), r ASC

SR DESC conjunct n IC (5)

PRECESSED

Also,

SR Saturn EXACT conjunct n DESC (0°00), with Saturn ruling 1st house

In the husband`s case it could be made a case for both, but i am more inclined to the NON PRECESSED Returns, also because the aspects are closer.

posted July 26, 2016 01:00 PM            

° got married after 2 years of dating
° the bride being about 5 or 6 months pregnant with their second child

I only have his data though

husband
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A.
SR ASC conjunct SR Neptune (3), r ASC

SR MC conjunct Sun wide (6)

SR DESC conjunct n Mars (2), r 1st

SR DESC conjunct n Jupiter (1), r MC

SR MC conjunct n Neptune (1), r ASC

PRECESSED

B.
SR DESC conjunct SR Vertex (3)

SR IC conjunct n Sun exact
SR ASC conjunct n Saturn exact
(natally Sun and Saturn are exactly square)

SR ASC conjunct n Vertex (1)

SR IC conjunct n Moon (2)

Sr IC conjunct n MC (1)

NON PRECESSED

We could make a case for both, Mars-Jupiter is prominent especially in cases of pregnancy/ births.

In the NON PRECESSED chart however, there is no inclusion of angle-rulers, which seems different to the other pairings. BUT with the SR ASC falling onto the natal Saturn-Vertex-DESC-conjunction, that is a very strong case, especially since that degree was being transited by Venus and Mars on the actual day of marriage.

posted July 26, 2016 01:24 PM            

Case 1
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° mother died very sudden and surprising and unexpected
° woman was just 17 years old, and on top of coping with the loss, tried to somehow keep the family together (particularly caring for her 3 siblings, the youngest being just 2 years old, which also meant she had to quit the job she loved, and start another one, she was not that fond of).

A.

SR MC conjunct SR Saturn (4)

SR IC conjunct n Neptune wide (5-6)
(thus emphasising SR Saturn opposite n Neptune)

B.

SR ASC conjunct SR Mercury
(square SR Moon)

SR DESC conjunct SR NN (4)

SR IC conjunct SR Moon (1)
(square Sr Merucry and SR Saturn)

SR ASC conjunct n Saturn (4) and square n Uranus exact

posted July 26, 2016 01:31 PM            

° lost his mother with being over 60 years old, and the mother being over 90 years old

° mother having been sick for quite some time.

A.

no planets on the Solar Return angles

SR Moon conjunct SR Vertex (2 degrees) in Cancer in SR 8th and n 10th house

B.

SR IC conjunct SR Sun and SR Mercury (2-3)
(exat square SR Saturn)

SR DESC conjunct n Moon (3) in n 8th

SR IC conjunct n Sun of course

SR IC conjunct n Jupiter (4), ruler of IC

SR Moon in Cancer opposite SR Venus in Cap
(which is interesting as his mother was a Cancer with a Moon-Venus-conjunction natally)

posted July 26, 2016 01:41 PM            

° lost her mother at the age of 39 and having her own family
° still the death of her mother came totally unexpected (after about 3 months from the diagnosis until her passing away, with a lot of suffering inbetween)
° totally threw her off balance (but then losing one`s own mother always does, I guess. )

A.
SR ASC conjunct n NN (4)

SR DESC conjunct n Chiron (1)

SR MC conjunct SR Venus (3)
SR MC conjunct n Saturn, very exact, ruler of 7th and 8th house

B.
SR ASC conjunct n ASC (1)
SR DESC conjunct SR Pluto (4) conj. n DESC (3)
(with SR Pluto square her n Moon)

SR MC conjunct n MC (2)

SR MC conjunct SR Neptune (4-5)
SR Neptune conjunct n MC (3)

SR IC conjunct SR Moon (1)
SR IC conjunct SR Jupiter (3)
(also conjunct n IC of course)

SR Moon opposite SR Neptune, too of course (2-3)

posted July 26, 2016 05:00 PM            

why would I take the precession for solar return into consideration (in a tropical zodiac), when I donīt with natal charts?

posted July 26, 2016 05:28 PM            

If we do however, should we not do it ALL THE TIME and switch to sidereal zodicac completely?

And if not, then what sense is there in applying precession to the tropical chart?

What reason?

posted July 28, 2016 06:20 AM            

So either, unprecessed tropical returns or switching to sidereal alltogether.

"No we don't. Because we do not consider the method logical and consistent in itself.
Tropical astrology uses a frame of reference which moves with the rhythm of the Sun-Moon-Earth system. The technique of "precession correction" breaks this system trying to introduce a notion of "natal birth marks in absolute space". This is false on several levels:
The reference frame it introduces is not absolute, it translates and rotates with the (fast) movement of the solar system within the galaxis. A transiting planet does never return to the point in absolute space where it once was.
The concept of "return charts" and of transits altogether is - on a deeper level - a symbolic concept rather than a physical concept. It should therefore be applied in a consistent symbolic system and not in an inconsistent potpourri of systems.