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SalemsEnd
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posted July 28, 2016 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SalemsEnd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think wide or looser aspects in a natal become stronger if a part of a configuration/ chart pattern? E.g. T-square, grand cross, cradle, etc ??

I have a fairly wide opposition from my moon to pluto (6 deg) though it makes up a t-square and cradle in my chart. I've always STRONGLY resonated with moon/pluto, even though its wider. I always put it down to the fact that its a luminary connection, thus, felt more keenly, but I'm not sure.

Any experiences with this?

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Electro DGX
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posted July 28, 2016 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally use wider orbs myself because I find that they can still be felt, and honestly six degrees for an opposition is not that wide. Some astrologers go up to ten degrees for an opposition, which is reasonable to me. I would say that with six degrees for an opposition, it would still be felt and can be considered valid, but that's going about on how I view natal charts

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Lucia23
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posted July 29, 2016 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely. Also, I think that tight-orbed aspects in conjunction with looser-orbed aspects can strengthen and intensify the looser-orbed aspects----

Example---I have DC (5 Cancer) conjunct Moon (10 Cancer) conjunct Saturn (13 Cancer)-----if something aspects one of those points, either something else in my natal, or a transit, or an aspect in synastry---then it seems to set off the whole configuration.

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Lucia23
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posted July 29, 2016 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also think that in synastry, loose-orbed or even out-of-orb aspects can be felt if a formation is made in the signs between the two charts---for example, one person's Sun in Cancer and Moon in Scorpio forming a synastric grand trine with the other's Pisces Sun.

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Lerena
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posted July 29, 2016 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am generally very picky about my orbs, but sometimes I research a wide aspect.

Cases where I'll research a wide aspect:
-It makes a major aspect to the Sun or Moon
-The aspect being made involves the Ascendant, Descendant, IC, or Midheaven
-The aspect involves the chart ruler
-A chart pattern is formed

Other times I'll just wind up being curious what an aspect means regardless of whether it counts or not.

This thread is food for thought to be honest. Even though I'm picky about orbs I may look at some wider aspects in my chart. If anything significant pops up I might post in this thread again.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted July 29, 2016 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SalemsEnd:
Do you think wide or looser aspects in a natal become stronger if a part of a configuration/ chart pattern? E.g. T-square, grand cross, cradle, etc ??

I have a fairly wide opposition from my moon to pluto (6 deg) though it makes up a t-square and cradle in my chart. I've always STRONGLY resonated with moon/pluto, even though its wider. I always put it down to the fact that its a luminary connection, thus, felt more keenly, but I'm not sure.

Any experiences with this?


That's actually not that wide for a Moon aspect. Very much active. The Moon and Sun are in active aspect at wider orbs, as are conjunctions, squares, oppositions.

I've got Moon 12CAP08 square Uranus 5LIB32, orb <6°36'>. Very definitely an active aspect, which my dad also has. Inner drive to be different, emotionally aloof from others in some ways, irritability/temper/uncooperative issues to overcome, etc.

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Gemini Blues
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posted July 29, 2016 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini Blues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a grand trine between Scorpio Asc, Saturn in Pisces, and Venus in Cancer. The Asc to Saturn orb is 5°. But each trines Venus with an orb <3°. So as far as Venus knows, it's in a grand trine @3° orb. One side of the GT may be a bit weaker, but it still acts like it's there.

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Ceridwen
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posted July 30, 2016 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with the others, it`s not that wide of an aspect anyway.

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Sylven
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posted July 30, 2016 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sylven     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me too. Six is not wide.

I have a grand trine in Air involving my MC 10 in Gemini, trining Uranus 4 and trining Moon 10. Mercury is 14 Gemini so I feel this is also involved because it's trine the Moon and the Moon is trine Uranus. Six as well but for a trine. It makes all what this could mean and 'be', lazy. It's such a shame. Ideas, creativity etc.. But doing too little with it. Ugh. On the other hand it gets me out of trouble in no time. It's just sort of a talent. Always find ways.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted August 02, 2016 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The closer the aspect the more potent. The wider, the less so-even if part of a configuration.

1 degree by solar arc is equivallent to one year of life.

So if Saturn-Moon are in opposition by 0 degrees and both form a square to Mars by 6 degrees. I would say that the Mars-Moon square and Saturn-Mars are aspects that are there for the taking.

These two aspects are felt from a distance i,e here it comes. Its coming. And they offer an individual a conscious choice to act or avoid them

Now the exact opposition of 0 is so part in parcel of the package that one was born in, that it feels like one has little choice with regards to expressing its energy.

So the modus operandi would be to 1st instinctively restrain feeling(Moon-Saturn exact) and only after a long time of being irritated , can one start to get emotionally volatile (Moon-Mars square) and then act to exact the offense(Saturn-Mars square) or supress where the offense comes from.

They do feel like a "domino" effect. But the wider the orb between the aspected planets, the more likely that the individual has breaks in between to consciously change what the outcome is.

So in your case, by transit the planet with the exact to closest orb will be affected and so on and so on.

But if you felt the strain of say Saturn transiting the Moon and then shortly after that Venus. You are likely to consciously "look out" for a coping mechanism for when the transit goes to the 3rd planet in the cofiguration.

Both Moon and Venus will send subtle signals to the 3rd planet in the configuartion who is yet to interact with the transit to "do this instead", because of their experience with it.

It is really then up to u on whether to heed the advice or respond in much the same way that Moon-Venus did.

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