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Topic: Wide Aspects in Chart Patterns
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SalemsEnd Newflake Posts: 15 From: The Pleiades Registered: May 2016
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posted July 28, 2016 11:18 PM
Do you think wide or looser aspects in a natal become stronger if a part of a configuration/ chart pattern? E.g. T-square, grand cross, cradle, etc ?? I have a fairly wide opposition from my moon to pluto (6 deg) though it makes up a t-square and cradle in my chart. I've always STRONGLY resonated with moon/pluto, even though its wider. I always put it down to the fact that its a luminary connection, thus, felt more keenly, but I'm not sure. Any experiences with this? IP: Logged |
Electro DGX Knowflake Posts: 1067 From: Plutanus/Uruno Registered: Jul 2015
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posted July 28, 2016 11:22 PM
I personally use wider orbs myself because I find that they can still be felt, and honestly six degrees for an opposition is not that wide. Some astrologers go up to ten degrees for an opposition, which is reasonable to me. I would say that with six degrees for an opposition, it would still be felt and can be considered valid, but that's going about on how I view natal charts  ------------------ Aquarius Sun, Merc, Venus, Uranus, Neptune Scorpio Mars conj. Asc in First 8th House Moon opposite Pluto, Trine Uranus Have you caught onto the predicament I'm in yet? IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 287 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted July 29, 2016 09:42 AM
Absolutely. Also, I think that tight-orbed aspects in conjunction with looser-orbed aspects can strengthen and intensify the looser-orbed aspects----Example---I have DC (5 Cancer) conjunct Moon (10 Cancer) conjunct Saturn (13 Cancer)-----if something aspects one of those points, either something else in my natal, or a transit, or an aspect in synastry---then it seems to set off the whole configuration. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 287 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted July 29, 2016 09:46 AM
I also think that in synastry, loose-orbed or even out-of-orb aspects can be felt if a formation is made in the signs between the two charts---for example, one person's Sun in Cancer and Moon in Scorpio forming a synastric grand trine with the other's Pisces Sun.IP: Logged |
Lerena Knowflake Posts: 361 From: Registered: May 2015
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posted July 29, 2016 12:40 PM
I am generally very picky about my orbs, but sometimes I research a wide aspect.Cases where I'll research a wide aspect: -It makes a major aspect to the Sun or Moon -The aspect being made involves the Ascendant, Descendant, IC, or Midheaven -The aspect involves the chart ruler -A chart pattern is formed Other times I'll just wind up being curious what an aspect means regardless of whether it counts or not. This thread is food for thought to be honest. Even though I'm picky about orbs I may look at some wider aspects in my chart. If anything significant pops up I might post in this thread again. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1659 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 29, 2016 01:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by SalemsEnd: Do you think wide or looser aspects in a natal become stronger if a part of a configuration/ chart pattern? E.g. T-square, grand cross, cradle, etc ?? I have a fairly wide opposition from my moon to pluto (6 deg) though it makes up a t-square and cradle in my chart. I've always STRONGLY resonated with moon/pluto, even though its wider. I always put it down to the fact that its a luminary connection, thus, felt more keenly, but I'm not sure. Any experiences with this?
That's actually not that wide for a Moon aspect. Very much active. The Moon and Sun are in active aspect at wider orbs, as are conjunctions, squares, oppositions. I've got Moon 12CAP08 square Uranus 5LIB32, orb <6°36'>. Very definitely an active aspect, which my dad also has. Inner drive to be different, emotionally aloof from others in some ways, irritability/temper/uncooperative issues to overcome, etc. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
Gemini Blues Knowflake Posts: 1187 From: The future... or the past. I get them confused... Registered: May 2014
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posted July 29, 2016 01:12 PM
I have a grand trine between Scorpio Asc, Saturn in Pisces, and Venus in Cancer. The Asc to Saturn orb is 5°. But each trines Venus with an orb <3°. So as far as Venus knows, it's in a grand trine @3° orb. One side of the GT may be a bit weaker, but it still acts like it's there.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Moderator Posts: 27644 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 30, 2016 02:14 PM
I agree with the others, it`s not that wide of an aspect anyway. IP: Logged |
Sylven Knowflake Posts: 540 From: Netherlands Registered: Nov 2014
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posted July 30, 2016 02:58 PM
Me too. Six is not wide. I have a grand trine in Air involving my MC 10 in Gemini, trining Uranus 4 and trining Moon 10. Mercury is 14 Gemini so I feel this is also involved because it's trine the Moon and the Moon is trine Uranus. Six as well but for a trine. It makes all what this could mean and 'be', lazy. It's such a shame. Ideas, creativity etc.. But doing too little with it. Ugh. On the other hand it gets me out of trouble in no time. It's just sort of a talent. Always find ways. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees Knowflake Posts: 3155 From: South Africa Registered: Dec 2012
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posted August 02, 2016 01:16 AM
The closer the aspect the more potent. The wider, the less so-even if part of a configuration.1 degree by solar arc is equivallent to one year of life. So if Saturn-Moon are in opposition by 0 degrees and both form a square to Mars by 6 degrees. I would say that the Mars-Moon square and Saturn-Mars are aspects that are there for the taking. These two aspects are felt from a distance i,e here it comes. Its coming. And they offer an individual a conscious choice to act or avoid them Now the exact opposition of 0 is so part in parcel of the package that one was born in, that it feels like one has little choice with regards to expressing its energy. So the modus operandi would be to 1st instinctively restrain feeling(Moon-Saturn exact) and only after a long time of being irritated , can one start to get emotionally volatile (Moon-Mars square) and then act to exact the offense(Saturn-Mars square) or supress where the offense comes from. They do feel like a "domino" effect. But the wider the orb between the aspected planets, the more likely that the individual has breaks in between to consciously change what the outcome is. So in your case, by transit the planet with the exact to closest orb will be affected and so on and so on. But if you felt the strain of say Saturn transiting the Moon and then shortly after that Venus. You are likely to consciously "look out" for a coping mechanism for when the transit goes to the 3rd planet in the cofiguration. Both Moon and Venus will send subtle signals to the 3rd planet in the configuartion who is yet to interact with the transit to "do this instead", because of their experience with it. It is really then up to u on whether to heed the advice or respond in much the same way that Moon-Venus did. IP: Logged |