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Randall
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posted August 02, 2016 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ISIS uses bombs, and one used an axe to kill children, while another used a truck. The Boston bombers used pressure cookers.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, 110 minus 3 equals 107 that were classified at the time.

No! those 110 emails were NOT marked classified. Only those 3 emails were marked classified, but marked incorrectly!

FACTS:

* 3 were marked classified. Two of these were classified in error. The third was classified correctly but was marked improperly (and was pretty trivial anyway).

*110 contained information that wasn't marked classified, but which Hillary and her aides "should have known" was sensitive. That's according to FBI Director James Comey. Based on previous reporting, virtually all of these probably related to the drone program in Pakistan, which was classified but had been extensively reported in the press.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, I read up to page 7, so I don't know if you were able to find the asteroids that shows Trump "wants to help people" as you claim.

Being the impatient astrologer that I am, I went and looked up some of his asteroids and this is what I found.

His Compassion at 20 degrees of Cancer is conjunct his Lucifer (17 degrees Cancer) and his Saturn (23 degrees Cancer). Not exactly the chart of a helper of humanity.

Anyway, if you did find asteroids backing up your claim, I apologize, please direct me to the post, I just don't want to read anymore non astrology related pages on this subject.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, the US shouldn't invest in ISIS. They are a very well-funded and wealthy organization. Why should we accept terror and sympathize with those who kill innocent civilians and children? They have declared war on us. We need to fight back. Obama has started bombing them. If Hillary wins, she should do the same.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wrong! According to the link you posted, 8 email chains were classified top secret. That means classified at the highest level.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wrong! According to the link you posted, 8 email chains were classified top secret. That means classified at the highest level.

Nope! Not wrong! lol (do you have selective hearing Randall? ) those 8 are the lowest level of classification, BUT had no classified markings! good grief!

From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

here's the 3 that were classified, but marked incorrectly:

With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level. There were no additional Top Secret e-mails found. Finally, none of those we found have since been “up-classified.”

Full transcript from FBI director: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system[/URL]

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posted August 02, 2016 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, read your own quote. Or listen to the video you posted. Yes, 8 were of the lowest classified, AND another 8 were top secret at the time they were sent. The 3 you reference were of those that were not produced to State.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I cannot understand how anyone can defend Hillary.

People must not be objective.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No, read your own quote. Or listen to the video you posted. Yes, 8 were of the lowest classified, AND another 8 were top secret at the time they were sent. The 3 you reference were of those that were not produced to State.

lmao.. those 8 are not individual emails, but chains!

yes, they contained top secret / classified information, but those 8 email CHAINS were NOT marked classified (had no classified markings on them)

EDIT: 7:15pm EST
the only classified emails in question here are those 3 incorrectly marked emails. which i highlighted to you on my previous post.

here is a quote from the house oversight committee and from director comey:

the July 7 House Oversight Committee hearing shows, Comey was asked by Rep. Trey Gowdy whether it was true, as Clinton said, that there was “nothing marked classified” in her emails. Comey responded, “That’s not true.” He went on to say that “there were a small number of portion markings on, I think, three of the documents.”

In that hearing, Comey also said that those three emails weren’t properly marked and could have been missed by Clinton. State Department spokesman John Kirby said in press briefings on July 6 and 7 that the department believes two of the emails were wrongly marked as confidential. Kirby said that the emails were “call sheets” — information to be used when talking to foreign leaders — and a portion of those are marked as “confidential” until a secretary of state decides whether or not to call the leaders in question. Kirby said that it appears Clinton had made the decision to place those two calls, so the “confidential” markings should have been removed.

SO, the point here is. Did Hillary lie when she said: "there was nothing marked classified in my emails either sent or receive"? No, she didn't lie... because of the FACT most of those emails were either NOT marked classified or incorrectly marked classified. the FBI could not find an INTENT that she sent classified emails. Yes, she was and i quote the director 'careless' in handling her email server. That's it. Period. End of story. Let's sing KUMBAYA. Let.it.Go.

If you and or anyone else REALLY want to see the facts, and the concise explanations from Director Comey as to how he came to the conclusion to not prosecute Hillary Clinton. Watch the 6 hours hearing committee here: http://www.c-span.org/video/?412315-1/fbi-director-james-comey-testifies-hillary-clinton-email-probe&start=1420

I wanted to see and hear for myself, and totally get a clear understanding with proven facts. so I took my time to watch all 6 hours (when i had the time) because I am not one to ASSUME and blame people. I want my facts straight, and real. I value not coming to the conclusion and accusing a person a liar so lightly, without the facts. it's much easier to not jump to conclusion and not disassociate from what's real.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Nope! Not wrong! lol (do you have selective hearing Randall? ) those 8 are the lowest level of classification, BUT had no classified markings! good grief!

[b]From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

here's the 3 that were classified, but marked incorrectly:

With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level. There were no additional Top Secret e-mails found. Finally, none of those we found have since been “up-classified.”

Full transcript from FBI director: <A HREF="http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system " TARGET=_blank>http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e- mail-system[/URL]</A> [/B]


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posted August 02, 2016 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They were clearly marked, or else how would the director know they were top secret? Hillary knew, too. And she admitted it to the director so as not to commit a felony in her testimony.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And those marked secret and those marked confidential were still violations of the law. And they put our country at risk.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
who cares really.

8 email chains contained top secret information. and another eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. perhaps, those 3 incorrectly marked classified were in those 8 EMAIL CHAINS!

i re-read what i posted. and i understood completely what the director said.

nice try trying to quote what i said. the facts are all there! just you and the other Trump supporters just spin the facts, and make it into your own fear mongering lies, just to make someone look like a liar! FACTS ARE FACTS!

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posted August 02, 2016 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The director in so many words said if it were anyone else, he would recommend prosecution.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And those marked secret and those marked confidential were still violations of the law. And they put our country at risk.

whatever. well, nothing happened to us right? there's no IS attack. so what's your point?

you're worrying over nothing. don't let your fears trip you whilst on your way out!

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posted August 02, 2016 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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ISIS uses bombs, and one used an axe to kill children, while another used a truck. The Boston bombers used pressure cookers.

So therefor we also need to bomb their children, their homes and their cities?

An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind...

And btw, you don't even seem to care about the massive gunshootings going on in the US as well? Don't you think that is much worse? I mean so many US citizens are being killed that way, way more than US citizens being killed by ISIS, but that doesn't matter at all?


I can really see how you and Ami are being so very objective.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, who cares really? Hillary can get away with murder, and people will still vote for her. She's not stupid. She knew what she was doing.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I feel like the US has a responsibility to help protect the free world. With great power comes great responsibility. The reason Hitler rose to power is because the US looked the other way and didn't want to get involved. There won't be indiscriminate bombing in Iraq. ISIS has established their caliphate there. That's good, because we know exactly where they are. If we don't act, it will be another Hitler.

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So you think Hillary Clinton was purposely giving the US's secrets out? What is her motive? Even though the chances of her doing so were not guaranteed, as in she had no sure clue if her email would be hacked while abroad. She might have not known of the dangers. And maybe they didnt get the info.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I beg to differ. The Orlando attack was by a man allegient to ISIS.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, she didn't purposefully give out the information. She was grossly negligent. Gross negligence violates the statute. A reasonable person should have known how easily a private server could be hacked. BTW, the director said the server provably was hacked. Probably, which means likely. But not certain.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So she was irresponsible, perhaps knowingly, perhaps not.

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posted August 02, 2016 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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lmao.. those 8 are not individual emails, but chains!

yes, they contained top secret / classified information, but those 8 email CHAINS were NOT marked classified (had no classified markings on them)


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who cares really.

8 email chains contained top secret information. and another eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. perhaps, those 3 incorrectly marked classified were in those 8 EMAIL [b]CHAINS!

i re-read what i posted. and i understood completely what the director said.

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here's Commey's quote:

“Only a very small number of the emails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information,” Comey said. “But even if information is not marked ‘classified’ in an email, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.”

Update, July 7: Comey told Congress that three emails sent and received by Clinton had “portion markings” — a letter “C” in the body of the emails — indicating the presence of classified information. The State Department said it believes that at least two of the emails were marked in error.

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posted August 02, 2016 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bluestskies88     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the most amazing thing is that Director Commey is such a bawler because he did not once go to the bathroom in all those 6 hours ++ he testified under the committe!

that's what i am trying to find out, how he did this, instead of Hillary's classified/not classified email BS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g2J0s10LRA

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50% of American Muslims want Sharia law, which allows women ZERO freedoms, including the right of not being raped and murdered.

A statement that radical requires a source-..... Or is it simply a fundamentalist opinion?

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