posted August 01, 2016 10:31 PM            

It just feels at times that is a planet about trauma and survival and then there is the side of me that thinks all of it is about teaching us detachment, to let go of all desire and the ego so we can transcend to another dimension by surrendering both control and earthly desires.

Sometimes I think is just trying to teach us to live fully in the moment at all times.

posted August 02, 2016 08:09 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
...our emotions and set up traps then feed off our sweat and pain or is it actually trying to teach us something and help us in his own twisted way lol??

It just feels at times that is a planet about trauma and survival and then there is the side of me that thinks all of it is about teaching us detachment, to let go of all desire and the ego so we can transcend to another dimension by surrendering both control and earthly desires.

Sometimes I think is just trying to teach us to live fully in the moment at all times.

How do you view Pluto?

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posted August 02, 2016 09:35 AM            

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I do take Pluto and the other outers serious they are transforming us, yes, big guns.

But I get annoyed with the neglecting of the personal planets.

And the transformation that Pluto or Uranus or Neptune subjects us to, will manifest in the sphere of the personal planets.

So whatever pluto wants to burn away and transform, you will not feel it on Pluto (as you can`t really feel the outers) but you feel it through your Mars, most likely, or possibly what other personal planet pLuto is aspecting.

With that I mean, Pluto transforms you. okay.and does so by using his tools as indicated by his natal positioning in your chart (house placement mostly- that is where you might get that kick in your butt or the pinch and thorn in your side), but it will manifest through a change of how you assert yourself for example, how you express your wants, if it is manifesting through Mars, but could also be in the other personal spheres. Pluto connected to Mercury? The plutonic transformation will be experienced on a mental/ verbal/ communicative level.

Plus - most of the times we encounter the outer planets through other people. Meaning someone will come into our lives, for a time, sort of becoming "Plutos messenger" to us, and sometimes that sucks, in some tragic cases it could even be deadly.
Newspapers are full of these stories.

Most of the time however they are just kicking us out of our comfort zone, and hopefully we learn what we are supposed to learn and change the first time round (though it is unlikely, we are stubborn as human beings), Pluto will be back a second, even a third time; but the stakes will be higher, the lessons tougher, the methods nastier, everything more urgent or intense.

If however we "do" our personal planet with the option to change and adapt and incorporate the new into our lives, Plutos lessons might actually feel like gifts. Well exhausting gifts, but blessings nevertheless.

I really thrived on Pluto transiting my Sun, Mercury and especially Venus (not so much Mars and ASC, THERE I had some lessons to learn I apparently did not WANT to learn).

posted August 02, 2016 11:52 AM            

My pluto conjuncts saturn in Scorpio in the 12th so lets start with that, then it inconjuncts my sun, then it forms a golden yod with my moon and chiron, then it parallels my mercury, then it sextiles my venus and mars and neptune and quintiles my MC. Now Northnode is in the 8th possibly..

All I can say is that when pluto transited my 2nd house it really paints a picture of my life and what went on.

I endured the biggest emotional pain of my life by losing a big love that took me years to get over and I endured tremendous financial loss all at once involving an amount of bit coins that would be worth over a million dollars now, my car, my passport, my title for the airstream, all my pictures, all my cash...etc...etc...forcing me to have to move back to Miami with my parents for a while...

Now the emotional loss of my ex and the pain that resulted from that cannot be compared to the financial losses ever or the trauma of having your house invaded and raided, I dealt with the financial losses very well. I suppose jupiter ruling my 2nd conjuncting Uranus makes it so money is not that important to me, it was never a goal of mine to be rich really....possessions come and go.

Luckily I did not lose my freedom which I could have and that is more important than financial loss too and could have led to me becoming suicidal...

I am thinking bc pluto conjuncts my saturn that any transits involving saturn or pluto activates the theme in that conjunction for me..

posted August 02, 2016 11:57 AM            

And sorry you had such nasty experiences.

posted August 02, 2016 01:09 PM            

my pluto is conj my venus which is my chart ruler, in scorpio on the DC.. outter planets in order to be "personalized" general need to be conj personal planets and or angles.. so I mean, I can see what is being said about pluto, but I'm not sure if I would relate entirely that its only felt through others and I suppose its felt through personal planets since its conj my venus so obviously very personally placed, but I feel pluto in every part of me, in my relationships but its IN ME, like I AM very plutonian/scorpio like, my venus conj pluto was the aspect that made me go "ah ha!!!!" and forever entwined me in astrology, it resonates to my core.. although my mars is conj my sun/mercury.. and is exactly parallel pluto so regardless my Pluto/mars are technically conjunct anyways in declination. mars and pluto are both very personalized so on some things its rather hard to tell the difference as far as intensity goes. I'm crazy passionate, venus really helps tame both of their influences tho, I appreciate venus's grace <3

posted August 02, 2016 01:22 PM            

I think this is close to the mark. I'm currently in a state ofintense turmoil and can't properly answer, but I do think this is pretty much the reality. Let it all go.

posted August 02, 2016 01:30 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It's a paradox but when you surrender completely the entire universe offers itself yo you. It is our struggle for power which prevents our total access to it.

Get yourself a copy of the Tao teh Ching... read it every day...

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posted August 02, 2016 02:05 PM            

I take Pluto seriously. It is not an energy to trifle with.

Pluto is related to death. It brings transformation through some form of death. In your case, the death of what you saw as love, the loss of money.

posted August 02, 2016 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Hypatia, it was painful to read what happened to you.

I take Pluto seriously. It is not an energy to trifle with.

Pluto is related to death. It brings transformation through some form of death. In your case, the death of what you saw as love, the loss of money.

But it didn't kill you. You are still alive, and you are a new person, so just like Saturn, what it takes away, you ultimately did not need. Let go of this "love" you thought was everything, and let go of those material possessions you lost. You can make more money. You can find love again.

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Well said, B!

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posted August 02, 2016 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Hypatia, it was painful to read what happened to you.

I take Pluto seriously. It is not an energy to trifle with.

Pluto is related to death. It brings transformation through some form of death. In your case, the death of what you saw as love, the loss of money.

But it didn't kill you. You are still alive, and you are a new person, so just like Saturn, what it takes away, you ultimately did not need. Let go of this "love" you thought was everything, and let go of those material possessions you lost. You can make more money. You can find love again.

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I have let go, I brought those examples up to show how pluto transiting through my 2nd was like for me. I overcome all those hurdles that transit brought me. Since my nodes are in that axis and I have saturn in Scorpio conjunct pluto in the 12th that pluto transit through the 2nd was very pronounced and highlighted for me.

When my house got raided saturn was conjuncting my AC, is like saturn was saying "hey! you have had enough of this activist lifestyle, it has serve its purpose so I am ending it all now definitively and leave you with what you need only and your freedom, now go back to Miami finish your masters and restart over setting more solid foundations as you can't do this realistically forever."

posted August 02, 2016 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It's a paradox but when you surrender completely the entire universe offers itself yo you. It is our struggle for power which prevents our total access to it.

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posted August 02, 2016 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
The way I view Pluto.. is that it magnifies and accentuates insecurities and themes that it touches, so that its so uncomfortable we are forced to face the darkness that tears us apart and makes us start anew and refreshed so we aren't in a continues emotional and psychological battle inside..

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posted August 03, 2016 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
life seems to just be one big paradox.. as in the nature of light and dark, yin and yang.. Taoism is a beautiful religion, I think its one of the truest to its original teachings, the simplicity of the poems are quit wonderful.

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It really is

I feel sheepish saying "do it, read it!" Because everybody has different inclinations and is ready for different things. It helps me a lot though.

posted August 03, 2016 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Right on! It makes everything come to the surface and with intensity so it can't be ignored specially when activated via synastry I feel.

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posted August 03, 2016 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
It really is

I feel sheepish saying "do it, read it!" Because everybody has different inclinations and is ready for different things. It helps me a lot though.

Same with Ramana Maharshi...

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I feel you, I just figure when people are ready they will explore it themselves. its super helpful! and really awesome that you've found a lot of contentment from it. literature is so wonderful in that sense