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Topic: What happens if you rebel against your Saturn Return?
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next to neptune
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From: The Moon
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posted August 04, 2016 02:00 PM
  
I'm soon about to start my Saturn Return, as Saturn enters my 6th house, around my birthday this year (16th september, born in 1989), but around spring 2018 it will hit exactly where my own saturn sits in the 6th house.I know that this probably means "hard work, only maybe you'll succeed".
I probably have to rethink how I work, how I do my work, my daily routines and my health.
But I wonder what happens if I don't do anything? What if I just continue doing the same as always, and "refuse" to do my "saturn return lesson"?
I'm terribly afraid of this period in my life, afraid I might lose myself or have to start all over again? Or what if I get sick, like seriously ill? Does someone got a good advice on this misery lol? IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted August 04, 2016 02:23 PM
A Saturn Return Lesson is often exactly the opposite of what you think it will be---Saturn is like a strict, serious grandfather with a soft heart who secretly wants you to be happy!!! Or a great teacher who gives you hard tests not because he wants you to fail or struggle, but because he knows you can do it and trusts you can learn the material and wants to help you learn, because he knows learning it will make you feel happier and more fulfilled, even though you don't know that yet.And he knows that letting go of everything that you're doing because you believe you "should" or feel obligated, because of family or societal pressures, or any area in your life where you're settling for mediocrity or half-assing it or choosing a joyless path of least resistance is essential for you to truly live out your life's highest purpose with discipline. So take a look at everything in your life where you feel blah, meh, stuck, let down or halfhearted. Saturn doesn't want you to do that stuff. He wants you to have the patience, maturity, discipline and adult strength to only do the things that you can commit to 100% in your deepest heart. He actually forces you to say NO to the crappy pressure to settle for less that's all around all of us. Often leaning in to what you're afraid of is a good approach to Saturn---do you have some 6th house thing that you are doing already and you don't like? Maybe you could just STOP doing it and instead of getting sick and dying and losing yourself, you'll just have a happier daily life not doing that crap. Another good approach to Saturn is to get rid of all the ifs, ands or buts and go DIRECTLY for what you love and want, as if nothing was stopping you. Because maybe nothing is. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted August 04, 2016 02:24 PM
The issue is that you probably won't have much choice but to face it. That's how mine was. There was nothing optional about it. "Do this or face even worse consequences."
In my experience: Difficult- yes.
Ultimately rewarding - yes. Be willing to change course, adapt, grow, let go, etc. Fighting it would have made things much, much worse for me. Doing what was needed/required was difficult and the reward didn't come easily or without some worries. It has become a very good thing though. I'm thankful for it. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted August 04, 2016 03:26 PM
I think saturn transits can actually be really positive if you are doing things the right way. Saturn passed over my midheaven not too long ago and that was a great time for me. I was making really good grades in school and got recognition for that, and I also got offered a promotion at work that I politely declined.IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted August 04, 2016 03:37 PM
But how do you know what you need to do?IP: Logged |
next to neptune
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posted August 04, 2016 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
But how do you know what you need to do?
I don't know, but I guess since its the 6th house its about doing a lot of hard work, and I'm extremely lazy these days, so what if I'm too lazy to actually change whatever it is I need to change? IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
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posted August 04, 2016 04:38 PM
I guess Saturn will force you to do so I have Saturn in the 4th house. And my Saturn Return will be coming up soon. I have no idea what I'll need to do really.
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I don't know, but I guess since its the 6th house its about doing a lot of hard work, and I'm extremely lazy these days, so what if I'm too lazy to actually change whatever it is I need to change?
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PixieJane
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posted August 04, 2016 05:00 PM
I pretty much just stumbled along as usual. Knowing that it was my SR only affected things in that I could at least tell myself it was temporary (though SR squared Cappie Pluto got pretty intense). As for "rebelling" and refusing to jump through the hoops...to me it's all natural forces, so that's like rebelling against gravity, it's nonsense. If you choose to walk off the cliff then you fall, and you have yourself to blame more than Saturn. In any case, I did what I normally do. And it was rewarding. One thing I observed, it's not just "judging" you for what you do right then, but for what you've done up till then. That is, it's a time of consequences you've escaped for things done (or not done) years ago as well as what you do day to day. On the plus side, consequences can be good as well as bad. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted August 04, 2016 06:48 PM
^^^^
Well said! IP: Logged |
Lerena
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posted August 04, 2016 07:31 PM
I don't know what my Saturn Return has in store for me. I'm still trying to figure out how Saturn manifests in my life.I've heard from multiple sources and placements that I'll have a difficult Saturn Return, but I don't think that's true as long as I decide to do my research and do the preparation work. Personally, I've found that Saturn isn't really that bad. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Moderator Posts: 8182
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posted August 04, 2016 07:57 PM
A guy I subscribe to shared his favorite quotes, and one of them made me think of the Saturn Return summed up in one sentence:"We all make choices, but in the end our choices make us." (Granted, it's true generally as well, but it's magnified at this time, or perhaps true in more ways than one.) IP: Logged |
violet7887
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posted August 04, 2016 11:07 PM
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StubbornVirgo
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posted August 05, 2016 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
The issue is that you probably won't have much choice but to face it. ... "Do this or face even worse consequences."
This is what I was thinking, as well. I've never had a choice with a Saturn transit, lol. IP: Logged |
@lycat74
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posted August 05, 2016 02:44 AM
You eat crack and then die... jk  If you don't do anything you will stay the same. Don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. In context your 2nd Saturn Return would be in your late 50s so perhaps the questions to answer. Do you want to continue to live similarly to how you are now? Do you want things to maybe get better? Saturn is like Jupiter (he is Jupiter's dad after all). Saturn gives you opportunities to potentially expand yourself. Unlike Jupiter, though Saturn brings you opportunities through complex situations. Saturn isn't your enemy; Saturn is that battered penny on the side of the road that is added to the coins inside your sofa that will eventually make a dollar. Do you want a dollar or are you fine with the loose coins inside your sofa? For right now, outta sight, outta mind. Don't think about it too much. Do you boo, be fabulous. Random but since you are born in 1989 is your Jupiter in Cancer? IF it is that is your secret weapon. IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted August 05, 2016 03:01 AM
Having Saturn in the 1st house is a blessing in disguise. I've been going through T. Saturn conjunct ASC and it will soon be my Saturn return next January 2017.I ended a fruitless relationship, started a job that is now a career not just a job, and for the first time in my life I'm okay with being alone and I can afford to live by myself in my own apartment and buy furniture and rugs all on my own. Saturn makes us eliminate that which is useless. And with it being in your 6th house, you could change your job or career goals or get a new pet that adds new responsibility. IP: Logged |
Cappi112
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From: New York, New York, USA
Registered: May 2015
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posted August 05, 2016 03:23 AM
I'm soon about to start my Saturn Return, as Saturn enters my 6th house, around my birthday this year (16th september, born in 1989), but around spring 2018 it will hit exactly where my own saturn sits in the 6th house.I know that this probably means "hard work, only maybe you'll succeed".
I probably have to rethink how I work, how I do my work, my daily routines and my health.
But I wonder what happens if I don't do anything? What if I just continue doing the same as always, and "refuse" to do my "saturn return lesson"?
I'm terribly afraid of this period in my life, afraid I might lose myself or have to start all over again? Or what if I get sick, like seriously ill? Does someone got a good advice on this misery lol? Very interestng question. My Saturn Return was intense and difficult, but I look back now in a much calmer period of my life and see why it was. I was in the wrong city and very unhappy there, and literally during those years every single thing went wrong for me in the city. In the end I had absolutely no reason to be there anymore. Had lost my mentor to cancer. Had lost my job. My roommate and best friend moved away. My relationship ended horribly. It was like a big Red Light. The last of the blows was losing my job. Suddenly, immediately, I had an opportunity to move to Europe. I took it. I've been here since. I'm happier. A lot of things have fallen away since I came here (stupidly got back together with the ex from NY, broke up with him right on my birthday in january). Now that all the pieces of those years have fallen away... I suddenly feel like I am home. I met someone new and have started a happy relationship here this summer. I plan to continue living here. I started a business with strong women here. I feel like I am home, and it's peaceful, and I'm happy (and recovering). Saturn is in my 9th house natally, and the biggest of the PUSHES to get me outta there happened when tSaturn was exactly conjunct my natal Saturn. (Foreign Travel, Relationships with foreigners, long-distant family members, higher education, philosophy). IP: Logged |
PlutoSurvivor
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posted August 05, 2016 10:54 AM
Saturn return corresponds to the development of your physical body. The brain is not fully developed until you reach age 28, according to some scientists. Meanwhile all of your other organs, bones, muscles have developed and if you have experience developmental assistance during your sensitive periods you will have fully developed all your body parts to your potential. (You can research the studies of Dr. Maria Montessori about sensitive periods of physical development.)So when your brain becomes fully developed, your thinking is pretty set in its habits. Saturn challenges your habits. The Saturn Return is a sensitive period for rethinking or challenging your own habits. These habits can be what you have developed in this lifetime, due to family upbringing, life experience, educational conditioning, etc. or they may be energies that came with you, a part of you, your own energetic past. So when you ignore Saturn and do nothing on your Saturn return that just leaves your next return to deal with things. Most people are not aware of astrology, but they will feel urges to act or think differently at their Saturn return, to become fully independent (Saturn rules Capricorn, a sign of independence). This is normal, and innately you make choices that serve you better. When you let others make those choices for you, you will fail to utilize all that Saturn offers you.
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