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@lycat74
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posted August 08, 2016 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for @lycat74     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think of Beyonce's Ever Changing Rising Sign on Astrotheme?

Currently right now Monday August 8th 2016 it's Libra rising: http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Beyonc%C3%A9_Knowles

I don't mind that but I can also see Scorpio Rising too! Scorpio Rising would give her a Leo MC.

Personally Leo rising on Beyonce never fit for me. She doesn't have the personality for it and she does have MARS IN LEO. Mars in Leo can show her stage presence. Plus again if she's a Scorpio Rising then her MC (Public Persona) will be in Leo.

What do you think?

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posted August 08, 2016 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes i think that they should just put "unknown" there. Because this is ridiculous.

As a Libra Ascendant, that would put her Venus in the 1st house(whole sign system). And does miss Beyonce seem very diplomatic and sweet to yall?

I mean Venus in Libra is in its own place there and so should accentuate these qualities right?

I am no expert, but i don't agree with that Ascendant neither.

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posted August 08, 2016 02:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As much as I agree with you AscTaurus, it's Beyonce; only hope can possibly stop such from happening.

As for the idea on Scorpio Ascendant, I would advise to not confuse such with her Scorpio Lilith, which she blatantly shows on stage.

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posted August 08, 2016 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Libra rising for her has been up there for a while now.

I believe she is a libra rising. She can be dimplomatic, heck she forgave Jay-Z, right? What Scorpio moon woman would forgive her husband for cheating? A libra dominant scorpio moon lady!

Plus she has the "libra rising smile." I can't really explain it but i have noticed it!

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posted August 08, 2016 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when I think of libra I visualize grace, manners, elegance.. venus in libra in own house? ok.. either I cannot appreciate her grace or there is none.. if she is libra ascendant,, I give up astrology for good..

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posted August 08, 2016 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im a libra rising with Pluto/Venus conjunct and the way she displays herself makes me feel very uneasy! Shes way too in your face and shows her ego too much. Libras just dont do that.
The song we would create about a cheater wouldn't make the girl the issue, thats not fair because she was not the one committed to our relationship.
Shes money and power hungry and its very unattractive! Unless she has squares to her libra placements that give her a Dr. Jeckly n Mr. Hyde vibe, i dont think shes a libra AC.
I do agree there is times she looks soft n tender more like Neptune than like Venus but that could just be for show...i dont see any depth of that feeling in her. She feels cold n plastic to me
Id say Vigo or Capricorn, nothing against those signs

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posted August 08, 2016 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For starters, astrotheme is not a reliable source, and I have repeatedly pressed them for birth data/time sources to substantiate their charts. Some they've had to pull/alter because my inquiry exposed that they had no source for the time they could point to.

You cannot create birth charts based on data from the rumor mill.

I have worked with Beyonce's chart, and so has my friend Shaun Barry http://horosync.com/ (He has not yet posted the chart).

Beyonce is not a Leo or Libra riser. I have not completed work with her chart, but I have eliminated those signs. I have not prioritized it since it is essentially a 24-hour rectification job since we don't have a birth document or quote directly from the family. Shaun has concluded she has Pisces rising. I agree that sign is one of the top possibilities for her Asc, possibly the most likely. However, I have not yet ruled out Virgo.

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posted August 08, 2016 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leo Asc for Beyonce always made sense to me. She is usually very flashy and likes the color gold a lot and puts on a lot of jewelry and makeup. She has always had light hair and is generally obsessed with it and all the weaves and whatnot. That's on a superficial level all Leo to me. But it might be due to her unaspected Sun. I think people people display a lot of the characteristics of a planet when it's unaspected in a natal chart.
Leo rising would make sense also because Jay's Mars is in Aquarius and would put his Mars on her Descendant.

If Jay really has a Virgo Asc then Beyoncé must have some Piscean traits and she could only have them if she were a Pisces rising or Sag rising (Neptune in the first house), since her Neptune doesn't make any significant aspects to other planets that could be the chart ruler.

Plus Jay has a Moon-Neptune conjunction, so Beyonce definitely has to mirror that Piscean energy in her chart somehow for him to have had her considered at all as a partner, regardless of whether he had a Pisces Descendant or not.

With a Sag Asc she would have a 12th house Moon and 1st house Neptune, that would be plenty Pisces.
Her Asc ruler would be Jupiter which is conjunct Saturn. This in turn would explain her discipline and you can't deny that she is one of the hardest working people in the business.

Finally, Jay has a Sag Sun and it's not unusual to have a Sun-Asc conjunction in synastry.

So for me, Sag Asc is definitely a possibility for Beyoncé.

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I like to believe that she's a Scorpio rising.

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posted August 08, 2016 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Im a libra rising with Pluto/Venus conjunct and the way she displays herself makes me feel very uneasy! Shes way too in your face and shows her ego too much. Libras just dont do that.
The song we would create about a cheater wouldn't make the girl the issue, thats not fair because she was not the one committed to our relationship.
Shes money and power hungry and its very unattractive! Unless she has squares to her libra placements that give her a Dr. Jeckly n Mr. Hyde vibe, i dont think shes a libra AC.
I do agree there is times she looks soft n tender more like Neptune than like Venus but that could just be for show...i dont see any depth of that feeling in her. She feels cold n plastic to me
Id say Vigo or Capricorn, nothing against those signs

1st house Venus people will be like that. In your face and all.

Everyone i know that has Venus in the 1st act try to steal the spotlight.

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I stick with Scorpio Rising for her. Het being a Leo Midheaven with Mars there makes so much sense and its why I initially believed her having Leo Rising. But Leo on the Midheaven makes more sense. A performer will heavily turn on their Midheaven while on stage or on camera. Her stage presence screams Leo.

It is definitely not a Cancer Midheaven! One thing people always said about Beyonce is that she is hard to relate to. That's why her releasing Lemonade made such a stir. Cancer MC celebrities make you feel like you know them intimately when they perform or are just in an interview. A Leo MC, on the other hand, is just going to be seen as fabulous and entertaining, especially if they are a Scorpio Rising and striving to control their image.

Plus the dichotomy between how subdued she seems in her everday demeanor (Scorpio) and how big and bold she is on stage (Leo) makes sense. And with a a Taurus Descendant, she needs a Venusian partner. Jay Z is a Libra Moon, which still works even though its not Taurus, and a Taurus Saturn, which could possibly touch her DC.

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posted August 08, 2016 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kewf1988     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I like to believe that she's a Scorpio rising.

She has Scorpio Moon, which is a placement that gives penetrating eyes. The rest of her doesn't look like Scorpio rising at all.

And she does have the "dreamy" look to her, while her Sun sign is Virgo (I always rule out the Sun and Moon sign when looking for the ascendant unless there's no other possibilities), so she probably is Pisces rising (her jaw shape fits those of mutable rising signs, and she just doesn't have the masculine rising sign look).

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posted August 08, 2016 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She looks like a classic Saggi rising to me

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posted August 08, 2016 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemini30     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe Beyonce is a reptilian, therefore we'll never know her birth time??

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posted August 08, 2016 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Liliya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe Aries? Anyway, she's kinda scary.

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posted August 08, 2016 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MermaidDreamz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess would be Scorpio rising. She is highly enigmatic as well adored based on her sex appeal. Most Venusians imho, have more earthy, softer beauty. Demure vs raw sexual nature. Just my thoughts.

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posted August 08, 2016 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MermaidDreamz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
She looks like a classic Saggi rising to me


I wonder if her legs might be an indicator, then we could cross ref her to Tina Turner?

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posted August 08, 2016 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HelixID, Jay z does not have moon Neptune conjunction. He has moon Uranus conjunction. Interestingly enough Beyonce also has a moon Uranus conjunction, though her orb is wider. The similarity in moon energy could be a binding element. Jay Z does have Venus conjunct Neptune.

Personally, I lean toward Leo rising for Beyonce. She came to the spotlight by singing about her bootyliciousness. Leo rising folks have no shame bragging about themselves. Her songs are anthems to herself, her own power and her worth. She calls herself QUEEN BEE, and she has a queendom made of devoted beehives. And yes, the blond hair, the big mane, the hair flinging moves, the bow down ******* song, yeah, imo, we have a Leo rising in the house.

Her choice of life mate, a man who looks nothing like what you would expect for her... very 7th house Aquarian.

As for Jay Z having Virgo rising, I am not convinced. I fail to see the Virgo in him. I don't see it in the way he dresses, the way he sings, I don't see him as being into health foods. Also, Virgo rising would put his NN in 7th house Pisces, and to me, he does not fit the profile of a 7th house NN person at all. With his facial features and his unusual life trajectory, I think he is more likely to be Aquarius rising, which would fit perfectly with the Leo rising of Beyonce. That would put his Mars on his ascendant or at least in his first house.

These two are definitely an odd couple in terms of looks, which fits perfectly well with the Leo/Aquarius axis.

As for Beyonce being Pisces rising, gosh, that is the least likely rising sign for her.

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posted August 09, 2016 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Gemini30:
Maybe Beyonce is a reptilian, therefore we'll never know her birth time??

Possibly a hybrid. I mean she loves to use masonic symbolism in her videos ,image as well as style.

There is something about her that seems rather devoid of real authentic confidence and thus creates a sort of "persona" to make others believe she is something that she isn't

I see similarities between her and Michael Jackson. And Michael apparently was Pisces rising.

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posted August 09, 2016 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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1st house Venus people will be like that. In your face and all.

Everyone i know that has Venus in the 1st act try to steal the spotlight.


I have this aspect, libra Venus in 1st, 11 degree off libra AC and im not like that at all. I definitely dont want the spotlight, ever! My Pluto is also conjunct AC/Venus.

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posted August 09, 2016 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belba     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Possibly a hybrid. I mean she loves to use masonic symbolism in her videos ,image as well as style.

There is something about her that seems rather devoid of real authentic confidence and thus creates a sort of "persona" to make others believe she is something that she isn't

I see similarities between her and Michael Jackson. And Michael apparently was Pisces rising.


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posted August 09, 2016 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Debby4     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Isn't the 1st house how we would know someone like our family and friends while the 10th house would be about how the outer world views us? Maybe that's why some of you think that she is Leo Rising when really she is Sagittarius rising. There was a whole thread on how Saggies can be wild beast! I think that would fit her well as well. She also seems very private. I don't know all her placements or anything but it makes a little sense to me depending on where aspects/placements are. They can really alter things.

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posted August 09, 2016 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for theunknown     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think she's late cancer, with Leo in most of her first house

Scorpio rising tends to be shorter, with shorter hair and less color. They wear mostly black, purple, velvet.... Like Prince. They are very particular with their clothes.

I think Beyoncé is more stylish and flowy, as in not restricted by strange rules like a hat has to be 45 degree angle etc...

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posted November 06, 2020 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I stick with Scorpio Rising for her. Het being a Leo Midheaven with Mars there makes so much sense and its why I initially believed her having Leo Rising. But Leo on the Midheaven makes more sense. A performer will heavily turn on their Midheaven while on stage or on camera. Her stage presence screams Leo.

It is definitely not a Cancer Midheaven! One thing people always said about Beyonce is that she is hard to relate to. That's why her releasing Lemonade made such a stir. Cancer MC celebrities make you feel like you know them intimately when they perform or are just in an interview. A Leo MC, on the other hand, is just going to be seen as fabulous and entertaining, especially if they are a Scorpio Rising and striving to control their image.

Plus the dichotomy between how subdued she seems in her everday demeanor (Scorpio) and how big and bold she is on stage (Leo) makes sense. And with a a Taurus Descendant, she needs a Venusian partner. Jay Z is a Libra Moon, which still works even though its not Taurus, and a Taurus Saturn, which could possibly touch her DC.


Yes, you are definitely correct! Beyoncé must be a 2nd or 3rd Decan Scorpio Rising, thus equating to September 4th 1979 at 12:15, 12:25, or 12:36pm at the very latest, in Houston Texas. Leo Jupiter right on her Leo Midheaven, or less than 3 degrees away it, would explain everything too. Her father wasn’t kidding when he once said, how Beyoncé is the exact same age as Pink. Pink is born September 8th 1979! So “exact same age" makes sense, as they were born in the same month & year - just 4 days apart.

Moreover, the controversy of her year of birth, was always between 1981 & 1979, so we know 1980 is not in the picture. Mars in Cancer plus both Sun & Mercury in Virgo make sense; as Matthew Knowles was handling her career & business, and he has a BA in Arts & Science and a Masters in Business Administration. Scorpio is a medical sign & Mars conjunct or in the 9th House, indicates a father dealing in medical items. Her Dad worked for the Xerox Corporation for 10 years, primarily in the medical-systems sales division. Matthew then worked selling CT/MRI diagnostic imaging equipment to hospitals & health facilities. He also worked in neurosurgical sales! In 1992, Matthew left this career to devote himself to his music company, Music World Entertainment, which he founded that year. Now this was in 1992, and Jupiter was in Beyoncé’s Virgo Sun between September 1991 and October 1992. Jupiter then entered Virgo, in the next round between September 2003 and August 2004; which was important once again, as her Debut album "Dangerously in Love" occurred in 2003. Remember, The Sun’s natal aspects & transits, often rule the father

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posted November 06, 2020 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leo-Cancer98     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I have worked with Beyonce's chart, and so has my friend Shaun Barry http://horosync.com/ (He has not yet posted the chart).

Beyonce is not a Leo or Libra riser. I have not completed work with her chart, but I have eliminated those signs. I have not prioritized it since it is essentially a 24-hour rectification job since we don't have a birth document or quote directly from the family.


What do you think about my complete response to @the89FreeSpirit? Beyoncé must be a 2nd or 3rd Decan Scorpio Rising, thus equating to September 4th 1979 at 12:15, 12:25, or 12:36pm at the very latest, in Houston Texas. Leo Jupiter right on her Leo Midheaven, or less than 3 degrees away it, would explain everything too. Her father wasn’t kidding when he once said, how Beyoncé is the exact same age as Pink. Pink is born September 8th 1979! So “exact same age" makes sense, as they were born in the same month & year - just 4 days apart.

Her firstborn was also a girl, who has Mars in The 1st House. The 12:25pm chart, has Pisces at 29 degrees, Aries intercepting the entire house, on The 5th House cusp of Children. In addition to this, her 3rd pregnancy resulted in fraternal twins, which is often due to a Mutable sign on The 5th House cusp.

Another thing to note: 1 of her song lyrics is: “Always 50/50 in relationships”, which is something a Libran/Venusian would say. I haven’t ruled out AstroTheme’s 10am (precisely 10:08am), because Pluto in The 12th House, 3 degrees away from a 3rd Decan Libra Rising, might explain why you ruled-out Libra Rising 🤷🏾‍♀️

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