posted August 11, 2016 05:45 PM            

Seeing that there is no actual distinction between self and other helps a lot.. working at relationships... understanding others, their point of view... I have mercury conjunct Pluto in Scorpio so I need to understand in a Gemini kind of way how and why releasing control actually gives ultimate freedom... one of the things that keeps turning up in my life is:

When I fully accept circumstances will be what they will be, I paradoxically feel fully free to express and be...

Acceptance is key it seems... non attachment, non aversion

It helps to have Pisces activated...

I find that when I am willing to be nothing only then can Ireally be something to others..

It is a process. I don't see evolution as something one can complete, and yet we are all exactly all that we can be any.moment. so accepting and loving that...

I have Pluto square MC/IC so for me the ongoing journey is learning how to equalize my Plutonian nature in the context of my relation to family and society, how I present, my ego... Sun in Scorpio in 1st house, Pluto conjunct Sun/Asc midpoint all give inflated ego tripping which if finally done away with in favour of seeing everybody else's amazingness turns into a profound and easy self love which acknowledges that everybody else is this Self deeply worthy of love too..

I have released control many times when it would have been desirable to continue to hold the reins, but I also frequently fall short of these lofty things, revert to the less savoury aspects of Scorpio... but less andess..

I think it's a cyclical process with Pluto, and Scorpio. We need to accept death, our own, those of others, as well as delve into the seedy underbelly of life to understand the vicissitudes of power oriented relationships and fullygrasp the reasons for relinquishing power games.

Pluto is related to fate very heavily, the extreme occurrences of our lives, birth and death. I know many women who gave birth when transiting Pluto was aspecting their Moon. I gave birth at the conjunction, and the Moon was square my Pluto. My daughter is Plutonian too.. a t square between Pluto on the asc, and Saturn-Jupiter in the 8th and 2nd, an exact opposition.

I'm rambling now apologies.

The point is, from an evolutionary astrology perspective, Pluto gives us free rein when we conduct ourselves impeccably according to the sign and house we find it in... that means manifesting only the highest vibrations of those placements, the pure energy of them...

Which sometimes is very complicated, and from a holistic astrology perspective (because I consider evolution a linear process and personally don't work with it as much as trying to appreciate the fabric as a whole, as what it is)... From that holistic perspective, a Plutonian is always performing some important functionin society and karmic story of the collective, by playing out fateful and intense events with huge effects on a personal level, as well as a universal one, if luminaries and angular houses are involved especially.

The more we can understand that the clearer our perception will be. It isn't so much about who is more advanced, as it is about how willing they are to just play their part... in the grand scheme of things... and becoming more and more at peace with that, whatever that looks like... and trying to be the dove, turn the other cheek...

Transform through compassion, passion must become dispassion without losing compassion... that's isabel hickey...

posted August 11, 2016 07:19 PM            

And I totally agree, that's what I find soothing too... I couldn't put it any better.

posted August 11, 2016 07:47 PM            

ultimately i try to detach myself and remain as objective as i can. i know inside that I'm apart of something so much more vast than i cant even comprehend it now.. and i trust in the universal order and can see myself in others. i try to practice my highest expression of love.. not expect anyting from anyone and learn to accept. which isn't so easy as it is to talk about.. but i try to align my ideals with my actions.. which i think i do a pretty good job at.

i think its been more of a challenge in me..that I'm by nature very skeptical and very passionate.. when this mixes with my high sensitivity, desire and need for acceptance myself it creates a bit of internal conflicts. i can see into others like an x-ray, so being able to see people for what they are, and to still accept them without tearing them apart psychologically (which is where the control comes in, i can see peoples flaws/weaknesses and ill want to help change them, when its not my place unless they ask..) and to try not to be suspicious and paranoid over the slightest little behavior or emotion i pick up in others.. is really hard. i try to remember to see the best in others and also accept the fact that I'm not always going to be accepted. trying to detach myself emotionally essentially.. This theme.. is the most prominent in my life.. and i hope it makes sense because I'm trying to explain it as best as i can.

its a mixture of self discovery and being true to my soul, and treating others the same as i aim to treat myself.. aim for love! and integrity. so its philosophical in nature.. just paven my unique path. i don't have that many close friends.. but the ones i do make are really special and spiritual.. i really appreciate the people in my life!

i have a 7 planet t-square with my libra sun/mars/merc conj 6th H as apex to Saturn/Neptune 9th conj Uranus cap cusp of 8th H opposing Jupiter cancer in the 3rd H. so this i feel is a huge factor in me wanting to heal myself and my constant search for truth and knowledge..

Pluto is conjunct my DC, also conjunct venus in scorpio

relationships have been a very painful challenge for me my whole life.. i almost feel like I'm dealing with a lot of karma in this life.. like I'm trying free myself from past mistakes and learning this through others.. ive spent a lot of time alone too which i think contributes to me being so introverted.. and learning to control my emotions/thoughts that are more harmful than helpful and focus on my art, plus my desire to get along with others.. so i really try to work on myself and analyze how i project myself and how people respond to me..

posted August 11, 2016 09:37 PM            

i m very plutonian myself ( opposition to Sun/Mars/Venus), and have been struggling most of my life. i have been trying to control things, life and curcumstances.
whenever i tried too hard, it went the opposite way, it back fired on me.
it is not an easylesson to learn, as it is natural of me to try to control everything.
luckily i have my personal planets trine Neptune as well, so i try to employ more of my Neptune qualities of understanding and softness. also choosing peace over control.

posted August 13, 2016 04:07 PM            

I have moon-mercury square pluto. the way it works for me is to trust the universe that whatever happens it is the best that could..

I believe that plutonians are exposed to lot of dying and rebirth (look at the house where the aspecting planets are as well as the arquetype of these planets to see the areas of life when pluto works in your chart). any time there is a "crisis" in my plutonian themes, I have learned to let myself immerse in the experience. I do not fight any more, just let whatever needs to happen, to happen. Sometimes just the "acceptance" it is enough for the crisis to vanish. sometimes there is a need to really transform ourselves more deeply.. then the crisis continues.. i do not fight, just experience with sort of "suspended judgement" and try to attune my awareness to what is this crisis about. with crisis i mean any event that calls for a transformation. it can be anything.

I have noticed that the moment you accept whatever is on your plate magic start working. initially at internal level. you reach some peace, but then at the external.

I could not say this enough. TRUST is the key...for some reason I immagine that is like surfing. you do not fight the waves, you go with them and use them to make the movement (sorry, I am not a surfer)

posted August 13, 2016 09:28 PM            

I learned years ago that the key to dealing with Plutonian energies on a basic level is letting go -- literally. Years ago I started referring to my meditation practice as 'letting go practice.' This relates to the Zen notion of non-grasping (which has many layers in practice). I noticed during meditation that thoughts were triggers for subtle grasping actions of the muscles of the hands (and sometimes other muscle groups). Then the body becomes a bio-feedback mechanism in which we can consciously 'let go' and relax that muscle and let their corresponding thoughts evaporate.

Easier said than done sometimes.

As PixieJane alluded, Pluto's force is too easily mistaken for the undeveloped primal desire for power over ...(others). It gets so easily expressed as the Martial/alpha drive. But that is not what it really is. It is the God seed of totality, total consciousness, learning power from within.

yungang_grotto made a good point about unity. We cannot use Plutonian energies constructively unless we take on a unity consciousness of 'we' and 'us.' I think when we take on and maintain this unity consciousness then we can begin to use the creative power that is Pluto.

Some pursue the unleashment of power in practices like Kundalini yoga. You have to be very careful with that and I would not trust just any modern (western) practitioner/yogi with pushing that. I actually experienced a very natural, accidental release of kundalini around 10 years ago after getting Reconnective Healing and starting meditation practice again. My tailbone will literally buzz with vibration. There are only a couple things that can trigger that.

The process is a slow one. I would not categorize people as 'highly evolved' inferring some are not based on their awareness of Pluto, astrology, or any conscious spiritual path. But those are my comments from my own experience.

posted August 14, 2016 12:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
the key to dealing with Plutonian energies on a basic level is [b]letting go -- literally. (...) This relates to the Zen notion of non-grasping (which has many layers in practice). I noticed during meditation that thoughts were triggers for subtle grasping actions of the muscles of the hands (and sometimes other muscle groups). Then the body becomes a bio-feedback mechanism in which we can consciously 'let go' and relax that muscle and let their corresponding thoughts evaporate.

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posted December 23, 2020 06:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't know what anyone means by 'highly evolved.' Old souls have more experience living life on Earth, but we are all on the same track of evolution, which has two aspects: biological and spiritual. We evolve together. "Highly evolved" seems to me to be a term of flattery.

I learned years ago that the key to dealing with Plutonian energies on a basic level is [b]letting go -- literally. Years ago I started referring to my meditation practice as 'letting go practice.' This relates to the Zen notion of non-grasping (which has many layers in practice). I noticed during meditation that thoughts were triggers for subtle grasping actions of the muscles of the hands (and sometimes other muscle groups). Then the body becomes a bio-feedback mechanism in which we can consciously 'let go' and relax that muscle and let their corresponding thoughts evaporate.

Easier said than done sometimes.

As PixieJane alluded, Pluto's force is too easily mistaken for the undeveloped primal desire for power over ...(others). It gets so easily expressed as the Martial/alpha drive. But that is not what it really is. It is the God seed of totality, total consciousness, learning power from within.

yungang_grotto made a good point about unity. We cannot use Plutonian energies constructively unless we take on a unity consciousness of 'we' and 'us.' I think when we take on and maintain this unity consciousness then we can begin to use the creative power that is Pluto.

Some pursue the unleashment of power in practices like Kundalini yoga. You have to be very careful with that and I would not trust just any modern (western) practitioner/yogi with pushing that. I actually experienced a very natural, accidental release of kundalini around 10 years ago after getting Reconnective Healing and starting meditation practice again. My tailbone will literally buzz with vibration. There are only a couple things that can trigger that.

The process is a slow one. I would not categorize people as 'highly evolved' inferring some are not based on their awareness of Pluto, astrology, or any conscious spiritual path. But those are my comments from my own experience.

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This is what I have found. I am having tPluto transiting conjunction to Venus and squaring ASC/Mars/Saturn/Pluto. This whole period has been teaching me to surrender. That is the overarching theme. My instincts are to fight and resist, however that has bitten me every time over the last couple of years.

I think 'mastering' Pluto energies is about walking into the fire and letting it burn away your dead wood and self-imposed shackles. Excessive control over your life only makes you feel secure. Pluto helps you see that many of your chains are psychological constructs and despite the form security they may bring, they ultimately limit your freedom and engagement. You crave depth, but you fear losing yourself at the same time. You don't get the depth without losing a part of yourself. But usually you've outgrown it anyways.

posted December 24, 2020 01:45 AM            

And the greatest trick that puppet-master Pluto pulls is to convince the world's astrologers (and other believers in freewill) that he is not controlling them.*

[ * Transit Pluto 22nd Dec 2020 at 23Cap57 ... Forum natal MC at 24Virgo 28 ... Forum natal Pluto at 11Sag34 ... Forum natal Asc at 11Sag26. ... Hence, transit Pluto conjunct Forum MC - activating its 28th harmonic aspect to the natal Pluto+Ascendant ... And 28th harmonic aspect = "mission"/inspired efforts.]

Letting go requires us to (humbly) become the servant of evolutionary planet Pluto, instead of (arrogantly) trying to be its master.

posted December 24, 2020 03:39 AM            

Also, pluto trines my moon, sextile mars and neptune, nn.

posted December 24, 2020 04:41 AM            

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So ... for example ... I wonder how many "evolved plutonians" have given up their creature comforts in a humble attempt to help Pluto minimise the effects of global warming?

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(Things are more complex and relative than they may seem on the surface [as is so often the case when one looks more deeply into things.])

posted December 24, 2020 09:17 AM            

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So ... for example ... I wonder how many "evolved plutonians" have given up their creature comforts in a humble attempt to help Pluto minimise the effects of global warming?

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(Things are more complex and relative than they may seem on the surface [as is so often the case when one looks more deeply into things.])
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