posted August 19, 2016 01:11 PM            

But I also got mercury square neptune exact, so its both hard for me to listen and talk in general lol. Its like its both easy and very hard for me at the same time to concentrate about stuff. I like structure, cause it's easier to grasp, but I get confused very easily. But maybe thanks to mercury square saturn I like working hard to understand things in depth, so I can work really hard for a long time (sometimes) until I really get everything down in the smallest detail. Afterwards I can quickly forget it again lol.

I think with this aspect you are in generally a bit ordered about stuff, and it makes you be able to spot your own mistakes. And if you see them, you correct any mistakes that you have.

I dont got the ability to think before I act, probably because of other areas in my chart lol (such as moon opposite mars) but I think people with mercury-saturn like to think things through, and they can think hard and long about stuff without being tired.

Sometimes I think saturn also represents endurance, so even though it's hard to speak at first or you have some kind of disability, saturn also likes to work on it, so you will improve these things throughout your life.

With the years I've got to know myself more, and its easier for me now to small-talk and know what to say when, simply because I worked hard on improving this "fault" about myself. But it will never become a pleasure for me though, but just hard work.

posted August 20, 2016 09:02 AM              

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
Does everyone think you're too serious? Do you feel like you're not smart enough?

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Yes to all these.
I have the square. With Saturn also squaring Sun & Mars.

Constantly second-guessing oneself. Depressive tendencies. Also, some of the light-hearted but cruel humour of my generation - I just don't get. I end up taking it too seriously. How they can so easily laugh at pitiful or otherwise borderline-tragic situations? NOT funny. I always feel like telling them, if that happened to you in real life, would you laugh about it? Even if it didn't - laughing at the idea of it is also distasteful, acc. to me. Took me a long time to loosen up and not take these things seriously.
Basically, mental hang-ups.

Also, I try to 'tame' mercury in the sense that I try to structure it. It feels wrong if it was an intuitive leap. Or if it comes too easy. I go over it endlessly, and end up spending thrice the time I needed to. Before realising it was right in the first shot itself. -- So, trusting that 'first shot' instinctive answer that the mind gives, is not easy. This has kind of blocked a lot of processes for me. If something comes naturally, people just go with it.. Merc square Saturn finds any reward that wasn't hard-earned, suspicious. For instance, I used to be able to do 4 or 5 digit order math in my head, but that just seems preposterous to the Saturn side, and it always pipes up with "no no, stop, you can't do that. Better be sure, use a calculator." Not that that's a big loss, people mostly used it as a parlor trick. "Hey, quick, what's 469 times 352?" But still - it would've shaved some time off of my other work, so it bugs me. I may have been able to train myself to do more complex stuff on the fly and made other research more efficient. It's hard to explain how your own mind can *stop* you from thinking. But yes, it CAN. Big time.

posted August 20, 2016 09:36 AM              

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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I feel really dry when first talking with people. It's like my talking is a bit delayed, or it's difficult for me to actually just talk correctly.
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I think with this aspect you are in generally a bit ordered about stuff, and it makes you be able to spot your own mistakes. And if you see them, you correct any mistakes that you have.

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With the years I've got to know myself more, and its easier for me now to small-talk and know what to say when, simply because I worked hard on improving this "fault" about myself. But it will never become a pleasure for me though, but just hard work.

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posted August 20, 2016 10:40 AM            

0 Leo Saturn
5 Aqua Mercury

Positively, this aspect:
- Enables me to concentrate for a long time
- Helps with critical thinking: I'll contemplate a matter until the dots start connecting
- Has enabled me to decipher things (certain types of codes, mysteries, symbolism in literature), using logic and my powers of observation.
- Gives me patience to work on writing until it's decent (in school, I often got A+s on essays.)
- Enables me to be highly persuasive when I set my mind to it and have enough time to prepare my arguments.

Negatively, this aspect:
- Undermines my self-esteem.
- Is partly responsible for my failure to learn some easy, practical skills
- Makes me a slow reader.
- Sometimes I don't talk or I'm too concise and it seems abrupt or robotic. Like this post is semi-robotic.
- I've suffered from trying to make words solve problems that can only be solved other ways, or shouldn't be solved at all. I know the power of language and have tried to wield it to attain things (or boyfriends ) that I never should have wanted in the first place.

Weirdly:
- A few people have said to me, things like: Sometimes I think you are so smart, and other times you just seem so dumb. It's really bizarre.

If a few people said it, many others were probably thinking it without wanting to be that blunt.

posted August 20, 2016 10:47 AM            

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I think Mercury-Saturn is like weight lifting. I either can either get a topic off the ground or I can't. Sometimes the bar comes halfway up and I drop it and it bounces on the floor. So embarrassing.

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posted August 20, 2016 10:49 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:

I think Mercury-Saturn is like weight lifting. I either can either get a topic off the ground or I can't.

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posted August 20, 2016 10:59 AM              

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Originally posted by teasel:
(Half the time, I feel really stupid.)

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posted August 20, 2016 02:58 PM            

Public speaking has always been a challenge. It feels unnatural, almost surreal. I don't feel connected - it feels like talking to paper dolls. Weird.

I don't like making snap decisions - my mind likes to unfurl a whole tapestry of patterns to make a full picture before it decides. So..I guess my mind is serious and slow.

On the plus side, I can focus and concentrate far longer than most of my peers.

On the minus side - my mind often anxious; self-critical, worried about not being perfect.

With this aspect we need to remember

posted August 20, 2016 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Yes!! I keep thinking to myself, when it comes to communication, or relationships, "This should be so much easier."

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I know, right?

Cafeastrology says:

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In fact, many people with this aspect are very strong academically. The flow of their communication is blocked in some manner, however, and this is due to an automatic “self-censoring” tendency. Self-consciousness and hypersensitivity is experienced with regards to their intelligence and ability to get ideas across to others, especially in youth. These people need plenty of positive feedback from others in order to feel more confident and less “blocked”.

If you have this aspect in your chart, recognize that you are most likely harder on yourself about how you communicate than others are. Ask people close to you for an objective point of view. Chances are, they find you to be astute, intelligent, and an effective speaker or writer.

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posted August 20, 2016 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Edit:: Me too.

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This is so bewildering to me I don't even know what to say.

Except *hugs*

posted August 20, 2016 05:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
I don't like making snap decisions - my mind likes to unfurl a whole tapestry of patterns to make a full picture before it decides. So..I guess my mind is serious and slow.

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Same here! Thank you for putting it into words.

posted August 20, 2016 05:42 PM            

I hate this aspect so much; I feel extremely ignorant at times and often become depressed because of such. I kept comparing myself to others who took more academically challenging classes, who had more knowledge on certain subjects I'm interested in, and it all made me depressed because I felt that I was stupid. The communication bit was also true too; I did used to worry about a lot about the things I said and how I acted, and I would became annoyed with myself and be like, "Eew, never do that again."

Though, the communication bit has now worn off. I'm not as concerned with what I say as I used to be, simply because I could care less anymore. I've realized that a lot of the things I feel like I've said that were wrong are just feelings that only I have; often others don't feel the same way and because of this I've learned to drop the worry about this so much. However, the feelings of ignorance and stupidity still exist and I'm trying to get over it. Ironically, a lot of the time it's because I expect it with a lack of effort, which Saturn won't allow.

Often I would have to completely sift through a task at hand in order to understand what needs to be done, and often when I hear people say things to me it sometimes gets garbled (thanks Neptune) and I need to sift through it as I usually do. Though, I wouldn't say that I was a slow learner; I actually am extremely quick-witted and pick up things instantly, thanks to Uranus and possibly my Mercury-Mars square. People also tend to find me to be standoffish at times, but that could also be to my Scorpio Ascendant opposite Saturn.

I will say that through hard work I feel accomplished, and I often am proud of my results if I felt that I've achieved it. If I felt that I didn't achieve it, then it wouldn't have as great of an impact as it would if I felt that I did. I have issues with procrastination, and this holds me back because with an added Earth Void, I tend to wait till the last minute and rush myself trying to get it all done, something that isn't good for me.

I will say that it allows me to carefully consider what I'm thinking about and sift it through to deliver it in the best way if I take the time to do so. If I don't want people to know something about me, I just won't tell them, and they won't know about it. I'm very good at censoring information, also thanks to Capricorn on my third house cusp. Often though I have to learn that I am the one who is holding myself back, and I need to stop if I am to truly achieve what I desire.

posted August 21, 2016 04:12 AM            

The best way I can explain it is this. My Mercury (and i might go aside here to argue that Mercury should be exalted in Scorpio) in the 8th and home in Gemini is like a fine racing engine. On the one side, Pluto is an unlimited fuel source and Uranus is a wide open throttle. On the other is Saturn... putting that engine up on blocks. It's like Scotty said in that episode of Star Trek. We're goin' nowhere fast.

When I was young, my mind raced all the time. It would fill itself with internal dialogue unless I distracted it with something. School was easy... until I got bored. I was an A-/B+ student not because that was the best I could do, but because it was the least I could do. I was practically the definition of the classic underachiever.

How Saturn would fit into the mix (along with my Leo Moon) is I still needed to prove I was smart when challenged. I actually cried in class when I got my first B in second grade. "But I get "A"s! Looking back I try to imaging what that poor teacher was thinking as she was trying to explain to me that it was ok, I just got a couple questions wrong... Anyway, I have a Saturn Mars square at 8° orb as well. I didn't use to think such a wide orb counted, but I begin to wonder.

I see the Saturn Mercury square more in communication. When I was young, I needed speech therapy to work on some sounds I couldn't say right. I get stage fright at random odd times too. Not useful for someone in high school planning a career as a singer. But Saturn takes away and Saturn gives. I made myself join NFL (speech and debate club, not professional football) and drama club in school. I was elected class speaker my senior year.

posted August 21, 2016 07:58 AM            

I think what i have found is that this aspect can often have one fear making a mistake . So its either one wants to be an authority on the subject or not speak of it at all.

My Mercury is in the 9th and rules 3rd and 6th. I watch how i speak and grammatical errors(3rd), what i eat and whether or not it is healthy(6th) and how frequently i travel(9th).

Since it is a sextile aspect, it doesn't feel like an obsession.

In your case, Saturn square Mercury can have one inhibit expression of what they think for fear of being challenged. Because the square is an internal stimuli that suggests to the natal holder :"you will be challenged".

The other end is that one can anticipate that people will challenge their opinion that they engage in continuous and often very straining study, in order to be the authority on the subject.

The idea is that when others dare come against them, they cut them down to size.Often rubbishing their opposing views.

Saturn wants to be on top. And with the square, this drive to be on top, could be one of the definitive points of the personality.

Sometimes that may even come at the price of being called an intellectual snob,mean, patronizing or someone who thinks themselves mentally superior to others.

I would not be suprised if supreme court judges enjoyed the Saturn aspect to Mercury or Jupiter.

posted August 21, 2016 08:51 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
This is so bewildering to me I don't even know what to say.

Except *hugs*

I can always say that.

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posted August 21, 2016 08:56 PM              

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and i might go aside here to argue that Mercury should be exalted in Scorpio

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