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AqMoon
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posted September 14, 2016 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AqMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been on here for years now, and I've studied astrology for 10 years now.

The thing that I find interesting is the manner in which certain aspects mainly (Easy) and (Harsh) aspects get treated in astrology. We all know about (Sextile/Trine) and (Square/opposition/conjunctions) so no need to go into explaining what they are.

It's been in my own personal experience that my own hard aspects, are sometimes the only major energies that I feel. The easy ones are not as easily felt, but I notice them when I seem to do thing's effortlessly.The hard ones though are the only aspects that seem to play out in my life.

In my chart I have a T-square involving Sun/moon/Asc which has seen me struggle to literally understand myself, and find my own identity. My true one. I've found myself, and I think, the major transits during that time were Neptune at the end of Aquarius that helped me under-stand who I was as a young adult.

I have another T-square involving Venus at the center, Jupiter/chiron conjunct while opposite Uranus/Neptune conjunct. All four square Venus. So love has been a big issue in my life. Loving myself was the answer, and the lesson.

It's been in my experience, that only understanding your harsh aspects, gives you a better understanding of your lessons. It teaches you to grow. Any astrologer who tells you that the easy aspects come close to anything important as the hard ones. Boy do they have their "Head on wrong" and they don't "Understand the energies" or astrology at all. Growth comes from resistance, difficult energies, the outside influences, and they really will teach you how to grow by standing your ground.

Another thing - Transits - Harsh transits are what helps you grow. Even generational planets. Uranus square Uranus ... is amazing for growth, especially when combined with a Uranus square Neptune aspect. Or a Saturn square Moon aspect. The harsher transits are where you will learn more about yourself, your role in the world, will test your limits, will see how you handle situations in life at that time period.

Why do we have harsh aspects? Because it's what we wanted to experience. why do certain transits happen in our lives at specific times? because we chose to make our charts this way, because those energies would help us understand our identity.

Just really think deeply about the harsher aspects, stop viewing them as negative, embrace the challenge, and the need to learn more about yourself when they come on. What can you handle? What can't you handle? it'll also show you what in your life is positive and what isn't.

I need to write this, because as someone who has experienced it first hand, studied it for ten years, learned, and has grown. The harder aspects, and the transits that are hard are great lessons to be learned from. Some of the astrologers out there, won't go into a in depth explanation about this. They ignore it, avoid it, and try to compare it to the easy aspects. it's not comparable.

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Lerena
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posted September 14, 2016 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lately I've been looking at my harsh aspects and this post goes into how I basically feel regarding them. I don't feel like they're awful aspects that ruin my life. They may be difficult but I've benefited from all of them. No matter how much pain I go through during a transit I tend to keep going and none of the bad aspects in my chart hold me back either.

I've only been able to progress during some of the difficult stuff. If I only had easy aspects life would be boring and stagnant. Things can only change as a result of harsh situations. No one wants to be miserable yet there's so much that can only be learned through suffering. Just my two cents.

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AqMoon
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posted September 14, 2016 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AqMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lerena:
Lately I've been looking at my harsh aspects and this post goes into how I basically feel regarding them. I don't feel like they're awful aspects that ruin my life. They may be difficult but I've benefited from all of them. No matter how much pain I go through during a transit I tend to keep going and none of the bad aspects in my chart hold me back either.

I've only been able to progress during some of the difficult stuff. If I only had easy aspects life would be boring and stagnant. Things can only change as a result of harsh situations. No one wants to be miserable yet there's so much that can only be learned through suffering. Just my two cents.


Hi Lerena

I absolutely agree with you.

Sometimes what we feel is a huge negative event/issue. Is really us just needing to really understand ourselves more, a certain aspect, one we haven't fully gotten to know yet. Life can get boring at times, it's nice when it is, I will admit. No drama. But if your not learning anything about yourself it's not exactly teaching you a lesson.

Sometimes it's not your lesson to learn, but you/I helping the other person learn. Just to help them grow.

Suffering to me indicates, a person who is resisting learning the lesson(s). Sometimes people need to be repeatedly learning the lesson.

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BeholdAstarte
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posted September 14, 2016 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I totally agree! Harsh aspects are so crutial for growth, hard growth! And I believe all my tension in my chart was chosen for an extremely active and karmic life.

When i first started to study my chart about 9 years ago, I was so taken aback by my chart! I couldn't believe I had an earth rising and moon, and to top it off, over 20 hard aspects in my chart natally due to my 7 planet t-square! It made complete sense to me as I started to integrate and learn about all my tension, I always asked "why am I the way I am?! What's wrong with me" because at the time.. My tension was taking a hold on me destructively..

I have my sun/Mars/Mercury conjunction 6H square Neptune/Saturn/Uranus 9H/8H opposing Jupiter conjunct Chiron 3rd house.
My Venus is conjunct Pluto in Scorpio conjunct DC

It wasn't until later I realized that my Taurus rising and Virgo moon were a blessing and the key to my chart to alleviate all this tension! They create a nice kite configuration <3

I've always had a hard time controlling myself. I was very hyperactive, restless, impulsive, made strange and erratic choices that were off in time, leading to more disaster than anything, or hurting myself. Had trouble getting along with my peers, friends came and went, attracted masculine type of friends, socializing in general was always very awkward and difficult. I was very spacey, unrealistic, irresponsible and would act out due to rebellion or being perverse, just to be different or to make a statement/shock others ha. Lots of aggressive energy in my youth, violent family, violent outbursts, fights, I really should have been put in martial arts class to fricken chill me out hahaha. Saturns really been a pain too, makes me cold and inexpressive and harsh on myself.. Mentally I've been pushed to the edge.. Have had mental breakdowns, depression issues (opposition of Jupiter to Neptune/Saturn/Uranus makes my optimism sway to harsh realism and confusion). I still go through phases where I'm entirely confused, I think I know what I'm talking about but I'm off on everything lol. My energy levels were so insane growing up I remember feeling like a volcanoe and still relate to that ha, this constant building up of pressure, I feel like shaking and exploding. I feel like my strong Pluto has helped me transform this chaotic energy and really go deep into myself in my own therapy and self healing.. Def destroyed myself several times. I believe it's.. "Whatever KILLS you makes you stronger"

The t-square in mutiple houses made me insatiably curious, constantly studying something, reading, or making something, exploring. I was very much and am still compulsively creative and have very habit oriented rituals daily, like writing in my planner/journal, reading astrology, drawing. I have tons of physical and mental restless energy. Moved a lot as a child, and still am fortunate enough to travel around yearly. With the 9H involved I feel like it's contribute to my foreign travels and my culture exposure. My dads side is very traditional "American" California family, my great grandparents were very racist, apart of the KKK and overall.. Pretty "old school", soooo it was pretty shocking to them when they found out my dad married a Chinese/Thai woman from Africa, and "tainted" the family line.. hA! I always felt like the "black sheep" in the family, literally. And that kind of experience I think has helped me grow in many ways as far as racism goes and loving myself, and seeing validly in both cultures..all cultures, I'm an extremely philosophical person, according to my parents.. Annoyingly so, I'm always told that people only want to talk about those kind of things a little.. Not everyday all day :P but I know that's not true.. There are others like me! I know it! I was always the kid that asked a million questions no one could answer then realized I was the only one who can answer myself.. My Mars in libra makes me a crusade for what I believe in, I'm very protective of my family, I can't tell you how many times I chewed someone's face off for making fun of my family members.. Racism is a very ugly thing, just being different. I can't stand to see people being made fun of. I won't stand for it, some of the worst feelings I've had to witness my mom, or uncle go through was racism, such a helpless and infuriating feeling, totally not fair!!! (As my libra sun/Mars/merc scream !)

I'm an extremely complex, and colorful person. My experience in this life, is ultimately my strength and what makes me me!! I personally feel like my 7 planet t-square is what gives me my sparkle, my edge, and what makes me so interesting. I've come to see the positives in it as I'm able to control it now and I personally think I express my t-square in its potential light.
I havnt met too many people with as much tension in their chart as I do.
But I also havnt met as many people with the amount of depth/experience as I have either. I've worked on so many elements of my character throughout the years, the challenge was worth it.

It's certainly made my life an adventure.. Extremes of such, of good and bad but nontheless interesting.

When I don't see tension in a persons chart it actually baffles me.. And in my head I think "wow what a simple life" it's sort of interesting to me.. Especially when seeing say, a single square in a persons chart, it actually seems to be more pronounced? Or difficult to overcome? Vs I can't even tell my tension apart from 7 different planets, and I feel like because of all the energy, I've forced myself to tame and integrate my t-square. So it's not very disruptive anymore like it use to be growing up.. But what am I kidding it never really goes away.. Ha

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next to neptune
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posted September 14, 2016 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my whole life has been a struggle up until now lol (it basically still is)

But I started using my time on the things I value in my life, thats the difference... that and I do mental exercises now, to fight back the bad thoughts... I'm not especially successful on any areas in my life (yet) I just started on doing all the hard work that it actually takes to become something. People with easier chart would probably have an easier time doing it as well... I'm just as lazy as everyone else, but it's also okay, as long as I feel good about being lazy. I just don't. I want to become something more than that.

My chart is one almost complete grand-cross
2 major t-squares - one with moon, mars, uranus, another with mercury, neptune/saturn, jupiter

and major oppositions as well - Sun opposite moon, moon opposite mars, jupiter opposite saturn

the only nice planet I got is venus, but it's in detriment (scorpio)

and all my outer malefic planets are in bad houses (uranus, neptune and saturn in the 6th) forming the t-squares

Oh, but my saturn return is coming up next, so I'm really looking forward to it, cause it will be about my work/everyday life (saturn in the 6th) so I think I will grow a lot in this period, but it will be hard

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