posted September 14, 2016 03:00 PM            

Here I have read in sun-pluto experience thread that someone post, "The basic Plutonian contract is simple to say: you go to the dark or the dark comes to you." That said, if sun-pluto try to be nice people, they will experience bad luck in love and relationship. So, what sun-pluto must do? Go to the dark?

I have sun square pluto wide aspect, but it effects me strongly. I have venus in pisces and being mean to people is hard to do. I always try to be nice and helpful with people but always end up being taken advantage of or betrayed. When I read Sun-Pluto thread and relate to the life event of sun-pluto people if act nice, it makes sense now although I cried when I read it. (www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005821.html)

posted September 14, 2016 03:35 PM              

No one is saying you can't be a nice person. In fact, Sun-Pluto personalities usually manifest in extremes. So we can actually be super-nice people, if we so choose.

But embracing your dark side just means knowing its there and knowing what to do with it. Get that intensity out in some creative, healthy way like art or working out or just private self-therapy. Anything that involves fierce focus and commitment is really good for you. I grew up feeling tightly wound. But the more I consciously directed my intensity toward something positive, the more I relaxed.

Basically this aspect makes you shine (Sun) through anything that's intense (Pluto). It doesn't mean you're doomed to be a horrible monster.

posted September 14, 2016 04:08 PM            

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People born under hard Sun-Pluto aspects may seem less Plutonian by nature in youth than those born under the conjunction, but their lives tend to collide with Plutonian realities which gradually move them in that direction. It would be inaccurate to
Underestimate the vulnerability here to shocking biographical developments which tend to "Plutonify" a person: disorienting deaths, betrayals, grievous losses. Such events do seem to occur with elevated frequency in such individuals. I hasten to add that others with the same hard Sun-Pluto configurations may not show such traumatic paths through life, but rather display an early attraction to Plutonian subjects — an attraction which comes at some cost socially or existentially.
The point with squares and oppositions is always that there is a shock and a price involved. But to keep perspective we must recognize that such challenges temper the steel in a human character, and the results are treasured.

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True in my case. Sun square Pluto.

There was a time when it was hard for me to assess my own losses and relate to people with a full understanding of our differences. It can lead to all kinds of miscommunication.

Basically people expect you to be able to explain yourself to them, but sun-Pluto can shell-shock you into not really knowing what you're about. It's like you're too busy in recovery/survival mode to gain a perspective of what you are beyond that.

posted September 14, 2016 05:14 PM              

yes, I get what you mean about trauma and not having an identity.

So many childhood issues I have.

But I respectfully disagree with you on the last one. Since I didn't have a sense of self, I made horribly stupid decisions that later on hurt me. And then it traumatized me again/more.

I think you put it all in words so well put, and beautiful.

posted September 14, 2016 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
I tend to experience bad luck dealing with people and relationship and often in a very intense way. Either I stay away for some years to come back or completely gone. Or I will experience victim situation where injustice happened, for example, at work.

Here I have read in sun-pluto experience thread that someone post, "The basic Plutonian contract is simple to say: you go to the dark or the dark comes to you." That said, if sun-pluto try to be nice people, they will experience bad luck in love and relationship. So, what sun-pluto must do? Go to the dark?

I have sun square pluto wide aspect, but it effects me strongly. I have venus in pisces and being mean to people is hard to do. I always try to be nice and helpful with people but always end up being taken advantage of or betrayed. When I read Sun-Pluto thread and relate to the life event of sun-pluto people if act nice, it makes sense now although I cried when I read it. (www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005821.html)

So, to sun-pluto people, what is your life experiences? How do you overcome the bad experiences?

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posted September 14, 2016 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
But I respectfully disagree with you on the last one.

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posted September 14, 2016 08:11 PM            

I do think they tend to be very perceptive of human nature, very trust worthy for the most parts.

posted September 15, 2016 01:37 AM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I have Venus in Pisces and Sun opposition Pluto are you saying that people with hard Sun/Pluto aspects have issues in regards to relationship?

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Based on this thread kind of tell it is www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005821.html

And I have some intense experiences too where I never even try to play with fire/darkness but it seems the fire/darkness try to find and come at me. My relationship has been always intense, as an air sun (2nd house) I prefer lighthearted relationship, but it seems the energy of sun-pluto won't let me live peacefully (my moon in 3rd/libra decan, I am a sucker for an emotional peace/harmony). Even when I try to live quietly far from drama, being alone most of the time/have small circle of trusted people, etc, I always end up attract people who loves drama and caught up in drama situation.

posted September 15, 2016 10:54 AM            

I think something that would help is to be accepting of this side and know how to use it to your advantage. Accepting your dark side doesn't mean start doing dark things but acknowledging that there is a line between your good side and your bad side, and learning how to utilize both for the best.

posted September 17, 2016 04:39 AM            

This square is particularly potent since both planets are in their ruling signs.

The striking thing about me, is I come off as mellow and sweet, but once I feel stressed or angry - oh boy, does my energy change. Everyone can sense this friction, and I feel like someone is pulling a rug fro under me and this is especially true in groups (Pluto is in the 11th H). I often feel ignored in large groups and do better one on one (My Leo sun needs special attention).

posted September 17, 2016 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

Basically people expect you to be able to explain yourself to them, but sun-Pluto can shell-shock you into not really knowing what you're about. It's like you're too busy in recovery/survival mode to gain a perspective of what you are beyond that.

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posted September 17, 2016 10:12 PM            

Funny thing I notice is, people actually aware of our presence. Either they are afraid of our intense energy that they think we have great power to achieve/do anything or they admire us for how we can control ourselves in any situation although we feel our intense energy is a mess.

posted February 23, 2020 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
I also have Sun (Leo) square Pluto (Scorpio) with Sun in the 8th H.

This square is particularly potent since both planets are in their ruling signs.

The striking thing about me, is I come off as mellow and sweet, but once I feel stressed or angry - oh boy, does my energy change. Everyone can sense this friction, and I feel like someone is pulling a rug fro under me and this is especially true in groups (Pluto is in the 11th H). I often feel ignored in large groups and do better one on one (My Leo sun needs special attention).

So, it might be helpful to list the signs the planets are in and houses - because this square can manifest differently depending on sign or house placement.

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Bump!
I do have the exact same aspect for houses and signs. I find it does express in tremendous passion but anger management issues at times.

posted February 23, 2020 08:57 PM            

I have Sun in the 8th squaring Pluto. It's a T square actually.

People think I'm always happy, but that's because I want them to think that. Not because I wish to be fake, but because I feel my struggles are so incredibly personal that to try to verbalize them seems to minimize them, if that makes sense.

A theme of death and abandonment runs through my entire life.

In fact, I never have the ringer of my phone turned on. The sound of a ringing phone triggers my PTSD so much so, that if someone's phone is ringing in my house I will quickly leave the room, or go outside if weather permits. Why? Because one too many phone calls in my life have been to report a death. Or some horrible event. I've lost friends because I can't just sit and chatter on the phone like everyone else. I do feel bad about it.

posted February 23, 2020 10:10 PM            

Yes, places can be hard to let go of. Places hold energy and memory and for people that are sensitive they can almost be like time machines. We can visit a place (or website, in this case) and put it on like a favorite soft sweater.

posted February 25, 2020 02:57 AM            

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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
So, to sun-pluto people, what is your life experiences? How do you overcome the bad experiences?

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You can't "change" bad experiences of the past without affecting your fundamental self in the NOW

Your "bad" experiences are part in parcel with who you are now. The flux of ever present yearning to experiencs the present you(Asc) will always be there.

In other words, there are more experiences being asked for to provide minute to minute clarity on WHO you really are at this moment NOW.

It is the rational and often latent intellect that labels them as "bad". But your ego self(Sun) does not.

What it does is incrementally take ALL these experiences ("good" or "bad") as pieces of the puzzle to the ever evolving "self".

The Asc will always provide the raw opportunities. Always. But if you label them as "good" or "bad" is your choosing. Better to remove the label for more sustainable well-being.

You are an evolving, unfinished story. So the Pluto-Sun contacts mean constant self(Sun) evaluation(Pluto) against the backdrop of a bigger picture of who you really are.

In other words Pluto is always asking the Sun "who are you becoming?" "Do you like where you are going?" "Are you clear about where you now stand?".

Sun-Pluto people are very introspective sorts. They use the identity(Sun)as a way to be clear on whom they really are.

For Pluto Asc people for instance, the raw infinite energy of experiences NOW provide a minute to minute evaluation of who they are.

That is why Pluto Asc people often seem to "chase" or welcome "crises". It provides an orgasmic "once in a lifetime" awareness of the self in this moment NOW(Asc) that is so visceral and addictive, it cannot be matched.

This is different from Su-Plu folks who have to find that similar outcome through incremental introspection evaluation of who they are becoming and where they are going in life.

In short. SUN-pluto may reach a point in their life where they gain clarity on something very fundamental about who they are I.e sexuality, career,parental background, physical body integrity,lifestyle choices etc.