posted September 19, 2016 10:23 PM            

((Hi Faith ))

Faith is our resident transiting draconic expert, as far as I can tell, although if there are more of you in the woodwork, please do join in and lend your experience and insights! I'm just getting started in this line of exploration, but I'm finding it very rewarding and revelatory, and I've hardly begun.

(I say expert, Faith, because you've observed them transits for some time, and found them to have significance.... but I'm officially going to offer expert status, as a total non-expert, just for participating in this thread's research, because as far as I know this is intrepid territory, and we are pioneers! I could be so wrong... (correct me if I am!))

Anyway. How very 0 Aries of me. ^^^

And that's what draconic charts are about. Newness. Impulse into individuated experience. The very specific dimensions of our personal experience as predicated by the Nodes of the Moon. Each one of us has a different position of our natal generational planets than those born around the same time as us, by virtue of the draconic layer. This is hugely significant. It is possibly one way of determining the soul's age, but that's a long shot and strange murky territory.

What seems fairly certain is that draconic charts and positions are very deep, intensely personal, Personal with a capital P... the essential way we relate to the world at large (nodes of moon) as individuated beings.

Well! I just realized that transiting draconic Uranus is going back and forth over my natal Pluto and Mercury in Scorpio. Of course it doesn't last as long as normal Uranus doing that, because it's inexorably drawn backwards through the zodiac by the transiting nodes... Right?

But anyway, Uranus on my Mercury/Pluto just explains... soooo much. On a kinda subtle level, of course. But the frequency and duration and nature of upheaval and revelation which has been occurring has very much the flavour of an outer planet to a personal planet, and seeing this has keyed me into this dimension of astrology in a big way.

As such I think it might be most fruitful to explore the transiting draconic positions of the slow movers at first, and note whether we can trace these transits to certain significant events in our lives. But anything which leaps out at you is significant, and I'd like to hear any observations or feelings about this at all!

posted September 20, 2016 12:21 AM            

Generally the line on this is that we need tropical planets to anchor the draconic activations. We don't feel them as strongly manifesting in our daily surface operations if there isn't a tropical planet there.

However, this doesn't mean it isn't working under the surface. It is. But it isn't necessarily going to come into tangible prominence, just as your soul often takes a back seat to your personality and linear egoic awareness.

But when the soul takes the reins, I believe it is felt regardless of a tropical planet being there to translate and anchor the energy. The tropical planet will filter the experience through it's own particular symbolic lens.

Perhaps tropical transits will highlight these transiting draconic energies.

I noticed something fascinating when my partner and I conceived a baby... the draconic midpoints associated with conception (Venus/Uranus) in each of our charts were activated by the draconic transiting Mars and Venus, respectively.

So I guess I can conclusively say that transiting draconic to natal draconic does manifest potent and fated events, and conception is a perfect illustration of something which occurs first on a soul level and is noticed by our conscious minds only to the extent that they are able to open the doors of perception...

posted September 20, 2016 09:24 AM            

"expert"

posted September 20, 2016 10:25 AM            

Anyone see anything going on?

posted September 20, 2016 10:39 AM            

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I noticed something fascinating when my partner and I conceived a baby... the draconic midpoints associated with conception (Venus/Uranus) in each of our charts were activated by the draconic transiting Mars and Venus, respectively.

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I love that! And wait, Venus/Uranus mp is associated with conception? My NN is on my Venus/Uranus mp, no wonder.....

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As such I think it might be most fruitful to explore the transiting draconic positions of the slow movers at first, and note whether we can trace these transits to certain significant events in our lives. But anything which leaps out at you is significant, and I'd like to hear any observations or feelings about this at all!

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6 Sag, my Venus
7 Sag, my husband's Saturn

On our wedding day, unbeknownst to us, since I wasn't into real astrology back then:

2 Taurus, transiting Venus
2 Taurus, transiting Saturn

So, the sky mirrored our synastry, how fantastic.

Now, the sun was within minutes of the Aries point (0° Aries) during our wedding. So that's draconic in itself. Then, the transiting NN squared my NN by only 1°.

But here's the delightfully spooky part. On our wedding:

10 Sag, transiting tropical Pluto
10 Sag, transiting draconic Saturn
10 Sag, transiting draconic Venus
10 Sag, my draconic Saturn
10 Sag, transiting Saturn when you brought this topic up

My Venus 6 Sag, Neptune 12 Sag, so this is and was happening on my Venus-Neptune midpoint. Tada!

ETA:

Forget to add something...

posted September 20, 2016 11:11 AM            

Natal-to-Draconic comparison charts:

^ I think Kennedy's draco Neptune on his natal ASC helped him appeal to the masses.

Draco ASC conjunct NN in Cap looks...fateful, especially with Chiron-Eris on the draco NN.

11 Cap, his natal NN
11 Libra, his draco Atropos
12 Libra, his draco MC
12 Taurus, his draco Uranus

Death:
11 Cancer, tr NN (conjunct his dr Dallas, 9 Cancer)
12 Cancer, tr tropical Kaali

Assassination:
9 Virgo, transiting Uranus
8 Virgo, transiting draconic Mars

^^ I think that's huge. Also:

Vertex = Pluto/Uranus MP

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5 Sag, Kennedy's Pholus
5 Sag, Kennedy's draconic moon
5 Sag, transiting sun-Mercury mp when he was shot

He's a Gemini with a Virgo moon, so of course Mercury is a key planet with him.

And it's interesting (in a morbid way) because there is a sun-Mercury DW in the draconic synastry between Kennedy's draconic natal and draconic death:

It's hard to make sense of all these charts, I know. But as you might see, Kennedy has Kennedy-Dallas on his DSC, which is ruled by Mars. Then he has an 8H Mars conjunct his Vertex.

When he was shot, the transiting draconic Vertex was at 29 Taurus, on his natal sun-Jupiter midpoint, which falls in his natal 8H. In the transiting draconic chart, the vertex forms a yod with the moon and Jupiter-Eris, so it's on the moon-Jupiter midpoint. Draconically conjunct his sun-Jupiter midpoint.

Also, assassination draco Dallas conjunct natal draco Pluto.

Sorry sorry for the info overload.

posted September 20, 2016 11:47 AM            

Actually it struck me that it was almost my Draconic Solar Return. ROFL

posted September 20, 2016 01:23 PM            

Happy Draconicbirthday to youuuu!

OF COURSE you may share your transits from last night!

posted September 20, 2016 01:28 PM            

I'm going to need more time to sink my teeth into your analysis of these charts, but I shall!

For now I must say it is fascinating to read about the draconic resonance onyour wedding date. What you've described seems to be confirming the likelihood that a portentous event which has visible tangible present day obvious manifestations will have definite grounding through tropical planets and tropical transits. And it doesn't seem at all unlikely that, similarly, an event which transforms our soul's path or greatly informs our deeper being and experience of life and the world will be visible in transits to draconic chart, and from transiting draconic positions of the planets.

posted September 20, 2016 02:05 PM            

Especially since Pluto rules my NN, and my husband's.

So it's fitting to have tropical Pluto of all planets, anchoring the draco transiting Venus-Saturn.

Perhaps in other marriages, the NN ruler is the tropical anchor for some telling draco transits, too? Will have to check.

I have a lot of things I want to check, on this topic. Will try to keep it relatively brief and manageable, though.***

Please don't worry about unscrambling my Kennedy charts, I feel bad for posting that so messily. But if anyone is really curious, it's there to explore.

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*** Transiting draco sun conjunct my natal Jupiter @ 16 Aries, though. I'm going bonkers with astrology today.

posted September 20, 2016 04:26 PM            

Catherine and Prince William, draconic:

Catherine
26 Virgo sun
21 Pisces moon, noon time
William
16 Pisces sun
21 Pisces moon

Now, their tropical composite NN is in Cancer, along with the composite moon (the NN may be conjunct the moon, but her birth time is unknown.)

When they got married, no planets were transiting in Cancer.

However, the draconic transits for the wedding day and time feature a Cancer super-stellium:

1 Cancer moon, on William's tropical sun & moon
8 Cancer Uranus
15 Cancer Venus
18 Cancer MC
19 Cancer Mercury
26 Cancer Mars
27 Cancer Jupiter

opposing, still draconic transits:
17 Cap Saturn
18 Cap IC
conjunct Catherine's tropical sun

Notice draconic Pluto right on the tropical MC. Well that's as extremely public an event as anything can be, right?

The tropical transiting moon was @ 26 Pisces when the wedding began, opposing Catherine's draconic sun, and widely conjunct William's draconic moon.

It's especially interesting when you consider the transiting NN:

25.30 Sag, their tropical composite Neptune
24.30 Sag transiting NN
21.37 Sag, their draconic comp sun

William's 27 Sag ASC is conjunct Neptune.

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Also, here is their draconic composite with draconic transits on their wedding day:

Geometrically interesting

- Tr draco sun conjunct draco comp Uranus -> while transiting draco Uranus is on the draconic NN (Aries Point)
- Tr draco Uranus conjuct draco comp Pluto
- Tr draco Venus conjunct draco comp Jupiter

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posted September 20, 2016 04:56 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Tr Dr Neptune conjunct my Dr DESC exact

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posted September 20, 2016 05:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
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Tr Dr Neptune conjunct my Dr DESC exact

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But everyone loves you lately and says so, so you don't even have to imagine anything.[/B][/QUOTE]

Haha, unfortunately I cannot open the video, but the song seems familiar.

posted September 20, 2016 05:38 PM            

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Funny that this Dr Neptune is also on his n Saturn-DESC and that yesterday Tr Sun was on that degree.

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posted September 20, 2016 05:47 PM            

Well an if you think about it, he really was almost scolding me in that stern tone....

Sometimes he reminds me of that little story my mom liked to tell about me as a child, when I was about 3-5 years old and a little boy was visiting me, and we were drawing some things, and I was so deeply immersed in what I was doing that I apparently did something wrong or misunderstood something and according to my mom that boy said: "Kerstin, you are so scatterbrained."

I swear sometimes he reminds me of that little boy!
But it makes me also smile, strangely enough. his urge to either stare at me from a distance or tease and criticize me for something or having the need to explain things to me I guess it reminds me of the men in my family, who tend to express affection this way. lol

posted September 20, 2016 06:34 PM            

Sorry in advance for my following off topic question that I am about to make to you all.

- A man's tropical Sun conjunct draconic composite Moon (plus the composite woman's dr name asteroid and Jupiter) and the woman tropical Moon conjunct draconic composite Sun/Venus/Mercury conjunction is significant, right? (Venus is dr composite chart ruler)

posted September 21, 2016 08:29 PM            

Right!

@everyone,

posted September 26, 2016 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
@ Sunnya

Right!

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posted September 27, 2016 02:10 PM            

Yes. The English royal family is heavily Plutonian, so this certainly comes as no surprise!

I think Will's Pluto is square Kate's North Node, if I'm not mistaken.

Thanks again for including your research. I've been really introspective lately and withdrawn, deleted my Facebook, reining my energy way in... it's good for me, north node in the 4th house in Pisces really acting up )... But my 7th house Pluto polarity point compels me to interact still! on YOUR grounds though... not mine.

posted September 27, 2016 02:15 PM            

Indeed... draconic ascendant being, perhaps, the aura which one's SOUL carries into the life, the essential energy output of the essential being, and the natal North Node taken to mean the manifestation of our relations with the world and with others, we can very much see how his essential aura was keyed into the masses or his relation to the fate of the world (NN)...