posted October 04, 2016 11:57 PM            

The energy pathway is what I thought created the zodiac.

Hm.

Ok. But You know how when I said when the sun is rising, since the sun is aligned with the planetary disk (meaning the ring where all the planets orbit around us), that is why the sun was in alignment with the ascendant.

But we thought the sun path made the houses. But when the sun is only above horizon for 3 hours, that won't make any houses. Not anything effecting us.

So the true thing is, maybe the sun doesn't make any houses on this planet.

Not it's motion in the sky.
Maybe it does.

If you take 2 round objects. Put a piece of black tape around one in the center. To show where the equator is. Now put it on a certain angle to the other marble, which is the sun. Now spin it on the same angle, one motion, and slowly spin it around the sun.

This is what I just found out- when the part of the black tape is directly in line (which it usually is not) with the sun- this is where Aries point starts.

So it is actually based off of the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

I never knew that.

posted October 05, 2016 12:03 AM            

I was going to say, after the sun rises from the horizon- that point on the horizon is no longer in line with the ecliptic. There is 2 ecliptic definitions. One is the apparent path of the sun (most websites use this). But there is another vital understanding, which is the planetary disk where all the planets orbit.

Anyway. I just know from my progression, the exact year my sun rose above my ASC, it changed houses. So the houses are based off of the horizon.

And all this time I thought it was from rings in space intersecting.

But it's based off the equator. And the Earth's complete orbit. Which is something different that I don't know yet.

Hold on.

The equator is a disk. When that disk aligns with the sun, it sparks the Aries point.

The horizon is also a disk. When it aligns with the sun, it starts the first house.

The only difference is that for the signs, the earth orbits the sun at a perfect circle.

The sun rising above the horizon- is no way perfect.

Another thing we got to keep in mind is that the earth has been orbiting the sun for billions of years. Which suggests a built up energy ring! Just one orbit would be an almost non-existent energy ring. But after a billion years? There's an energy ring engrained around us in space. It's fixed there.

Now I have it! That fixed energy ring, combined with the equator, is what makes the signs!!

BUT- it also combines with the horizon- and creates a set of houses!!!!
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This fixed energy ring, created from the millions of times the earth orbitted the sun, is in exact alignment with the whole planetary disk where all the planets lay. If the earth were say- 20 AU (sun-earth distances) higher than where it is- then the sun's energy ring wouldn't coincide.

But since the sun is on one side of the earth always, and all the other planets are in exact alignment with the sun- the same declination, this is why the fixed energy ring that gets engrained into the earth after millions of orbits around the sun- is in exact alignment with the planets.

So it suggest equal house system is one thing.

But the sun's apparent motion in the sky is something else. Either way the houses start at one end of the horizon- and end at the other.

Here's something I just wrote on another thread, let me know what you think:

There seems to be much confusion about what the eclpitic is.

The definition is that it's the sun path's in the sky.

But then many planets wouldn't lie on the eclpitic. Because at the poles- the sun is in the sky all day or for none of the day.

The eclpitic is the whole planetary sphere. All the planets around us and where they lie. That's the eclpitic.

So supposedly MH is mid day. Meaning the sun is at its highest. Yet the sun is not lined with the eclpitic.

posted October 05, 2016 04:14 PM            

In short. The signs I always thought that each day that went by, the sun crossed our equator at a 23.5 degree angle, every day, which made an energy ring of motion, combining with the equator, and thus created the signs.

This is wrong. It actually takes the Earth one complete orbit of the sun- for the earth's equator to cross the sun, and complete one circle. This is astonishing as I thought the energy rings would fade away quicker. One full rotation of our sun as seen across the sky in a day, would quickly make a strong energy ring. But the signs are actually based off of the motion of the entire year. But who knows if it's truly energy rings, or something else, some scientific phenomena yet to be understood. All we have is the measurements. Which may have clues.

So. We have a few clues. The signs start at the equator. It is the most noticeable part of our planet as it is round, the roundest widest part, always spinning on the same head. It is a ring.

The horizon, from our perspective if you look all around, is also like a ring. Or a disk, with a ring on the outside of it. Somewhat similar to the equator.

And finally, the proposed house systems- which are based off of the sun's daily cycle, the sun's path also makes somewhat of a ring.

These are clues. So I can't say for sure, that from the sun cycling around our horizon one day, or the earth's equator cycling around the sun in a year, creates the zodiac from energy rings. Maybe it's some kind of "energy cycle". But the cycle itself can still be recorded based off of these "rings".

Anyway, it doesn't matter exactly right now. As, has no one ever thought- that perhaps the yearly cycle of the sun could apply to our horizon as well?

I understand that it only crosses the equator once a year. And it crosses the horizon daily. So I guess I'd have to keep in mind the energy rings. The thing I have to support is that there is always a measureable ring that is "THERE", is that, all around the year, hm..

Well you know how some astrologers take into account the post natal sun/moon conjunction, and they think that aspects to that are significant, as if there is this "pre-existing" kind of energy manifests from the future event going to take place. Well to me, that is completely out of the sound of logic. I mean if you think about if the sun were going to explode, you don't feel it until it explodes. You can compare that with anything. Even metaphycis, some say the particles or future space-time events can change alter the ones in the past. I don't believe in this. I only believe in one time, and that particles or the ethers can "sense" the direction that things are going, and thus react to it. Like if you saw a ball dropping you can sense where it's going to land. I think the ethers are like that, I dont think any future events are effecting us. I only believe in one time.

Anyways. What was I saying I cant remember. Oh yeah I really don't believe the post-eclipse (the one that hasn't happened yet) will effect us. Very little. Maybe it's sensed where its going to be, but there's not going to be any strong effects.

Anyways. The same goes for the Earth's yearly orbit. At any one present time- it's going to be at ONE point on the sun. Imagine if we stopped the Earth for a moment. All of a sudden it never will cross it at it's equator. Any present moment in time, I believe would be similar. Right now, the sun isn't crossing the earth's equator. Right now, at this present moment, the earth isn't reacting to the sun.

That's why I was thinking of an energy ring. After a dozen or so orbits or however many, as the Earth stays on the same angle to the sun, each time it passes by , the sun would come across it at the same spots. Creating a repetitive metaphysical pull. Hitting the same spots each time the earth passes.

This way any time of the year that goes by, this ring would always be in full effect, no matter where you were. The signs would always be evident.

Just as our equator is always evident.

Anyone have any thoughts?
But yeah basically my idea is that this potential energy ring that is always there from the sun, wouldn't just coincide with our present equator (present energy ring overlining with our present equator) but it would also, if any of this is true, would also HAVE to always be crossing our horizon as well. Creating a set of fixed, equal houses.

As I said, the sun's daily motion in the sky, would be something else. I'm not getting there yet or I don't know if i ever can.

posted October 06, 2016 12:51 AM            

The nodes of the Moon.

I have noticed on many charts they are in important spots in celebrity charts. So one this suggests: they are real.

They are a real energy node that metaphysically exist.

Based off of many celebrity charts I've examined and will do more so.

So, if the nodes are created merely by the moon crossing the path where the sun was... wait- is it the sun path the nodes cross? Or the "ecliptic coordinated one" where the planets lay? Hmm.. The answer could be very telling... Either way, I think it helps us narrow down on some answers.

For example. If the sun didn't leave behind an energy path, would there be anything significant about the nodes crossing it?

Well it just got a lot more confusing to me, because imagine the sun in the sky each day. Imagine it streak across. Now imagine the moon, it takes 15 days on each side of that sun path. But after learning more about the sun's REAL path. Like in the north- this suggest to me something like the Moon may not be crossing the actually suns path.

Which also makes me wonder if the moon even rises at the poles. ??? Probably

Maybe the nodes just don't exist in those locations.

The ecliptic, is the planetary sphere where all the planets exist.

If we had a drawing, a 3d model, of the true ecliptic(solar system disk), with the sun's apparent path in the sky, at various parts on this planet, that would help us, um, I don't know.

Either way it doesn't change my intitial hypothesis.

Is there some kind of "future sensed motion" of where the sun is going to be? Like once the sun raises above the horizon- is there some kind of "future motion" energy that creates the houses? As if they are created as soon as the sun is rising and is already headed for a certain location? I really doubt that. I might be wrong.

But how about the place where the moon crosses.

posted October 06, 2016 01:03 AM            

Now hold the other ball up, and rotate the first ball on the same angle (make sure not to make the equator perpendicular or parralel with the other ball, cause that's not how it looks like)

Now spin the second ball around the center one.

posted October 06, 2016 01:31 AM            

If you look at the equator alone it definitely does seem like the sun makes a 23 degree angled path to it. To the whole planet, looking from the outside, it does seem like it crosses the equator at a 23 d angle path

posted October 06, 2016 02:04 AM            

If you merely orbit the earth without spinning it around the other object, it's clear that the accumulation of its orbit makes a ring.

But not to any individual observer. Because to any individual point on the planet, since its rotating, it would create thousands of different rings as the sun appears to streak across the sky covering the entire planet.

But you can clearly see, that the equator is fixed, and the sun's accumulative motion in accordance to the earth definitely is a ring. So to me it suggest something occuring outside of our individual atmosphere's (domes of our horizon and our personal location recorded of where we were at any given time)

If we instead of record this yearly orbitation of the sun not on our exact ground, but about 20 km's up where stuff is still- or just a few km outside of the earth, where things wouldnt be rotating, it would create a fixed energy ring.

I just definitely do see a permanent energy ring from the accumulation of earth orbits. It's just knowing of what parts of the distance from the earth to the sun is making this energy bonding process come into happenstance of existial circumstances.

The thing is that I don't know what these energy rings are getting engrained TO. For all I know, it's something metaphysical, and the energy rings could be getting engrained into out space of this planet.

posted October 06, 2016 02:13 AM            

If there is a fixed energy ring from the earth's orbits around the sun. Then it would definitely apply to the horizon. Which would create a set of houses.

And the sun rising daily would be something else, likely making an overlapping set of houses, but with an imperfect motion.

My final observation: Some would say that it's definitely just because of the equator that the sun and earth's yearly orbit would be significant. But if you take two objects, have no equator on either of them and circle them at a fixed motion (and our planet is fixed, its not rotating at a 20 degree angle then slowly changes to a 30 degree angle)
there would seem to be a circular ring made, regardless if there was any equator on the planet or not.

Suggesting that their orbital ring is something that obviously doesn't rely on the earth's equator to form itself. But I could be wrong.
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I was still trying to figure it out. I think I finally solved it. I'm going to prove it

No point on the earth's equator is fixed. It is spinning. The equator is something much larger than the little things going on inside the earths atmosphere.

The horizon is a fixed ring. But you know that we have 2 equators? The equator is a giant energy ring from fixed constant motion on our globe. Our second equator is the earths orbital disk around the sun. Just like how the original equator does not have one fixed point, but as a sum of constant fixed motion becomes a larger then self energy ring.

Same for the orbital disk, nothing about it is fixed to a single point on our planet, but as a whole, it is our ecliptic equator, a fixed ring.

I might be wrong.

Now I just have to figure out the sun's horribly non-centered orbit and how that comes into play for everything
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Oct 6, 3:11 LLC
When you see the sun streak across the sky, you can understand how it could possibly make an energy ring; same path every day. When that path combines with the horizon, it makes houses, and when it combines with the equator, you'd get signs.

But wait. How is the equator even a path? If you compare it to how the "daily sun path" is created- as in you take a reference point from any individual place on Earth- hmm... no path would be created. From an individual view, on our Earth, everything going on with the earth, is fixed in motion. Even though we are spinning; to us, on earth, we appear to be staying still. Which is why to us, basing off my idea that you need something actually changing position, such as the sun's daily streak across the sky, but the equator is always in the same spot to us, telling me that the energy ring is a larger than its parts energy spot on our planet.

And if our equator is like that, then the Earth and the sun, staying at the same lattitudes to exactly one another as they orbit, would very much likely be the exact same way as the equator. Creating a fixed ring on the axis of it's rotation. (i'm talking about the earth's orbit, a rotation, it's just a little bit different of a model, but it is still one point spinning around and round, just like on the scale of our Earth's rotation)

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So it doesn't really make sense from an individual point on our planet, that the equator should make any destinguishable ring. Yet it does, it is. Our whole planet senses the ring, it just has to.

The motion of the ring is something sensed on a planetary scale. Not on an individual point on the earth. But on the whole planet. And the same goes for our sun-earth orbit. On any individual point- there never will be any sort of recognizable ring. But on the whole planetary scale, there is.

I might be wrong with all this. But if I'm right, then that means there are 1 set of equal houses all over the planet (eclpitic+horizon). But just know that the ecliptic is the planetary disk where the earth orbits the sun along with all the other planets. The path created from the sun streaking across our local skies is almost never in alignment with this disk.

So the ecliptic + the equator energy ring, creates the universal signs, since we all share the same equator on this planet.

Finally, signs are not just a singular thing. The houses are signs. The draconic chart is signs (although perhaps very weak). There is even likely another set of houses called the celestial houses, that I discovered, which are the cross sections of the equator with our local horizon.

Any two rings crossing should create a zodiac. I just don't know how an imperfect ring, which does not center around us, would play out. Which is what the suns daily motion is.

All I know is when my moon progressed, it was in accordance to the placidus system, and not equal houses. Then again thats due to the sun's orbit houses. My moon hasn't yet reached the point where it would progress in equal houses, so that is quite likely still valid.

So I do believe the sun's daily motion creates houses, but not sure how it truly plays out.

Also: since above I said the sun's daily motion streaking through the sky is rarely ever aligned with the actual eclpitic, I wonder if this daily motion ever cross our equator and creates even another set of signs. Crossing the equator on the planetary scale means being directly overhead (zenith) of the equator. But the energy ring in the sky I think it may still cross the equator.

Just like our own horizon- it only extends for a few km in each direction.. yet the equator somehow crosses it.

These things are hard to understand. If anyone knows if the daily sun path crosses the equator, well I think it does, that would create another set of signs overlapping the current universal signs. But just not with the exact same house boundaries. since the sun's motion would be not completely balanced.