posted October 05, 2016 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
If you were talking about Pluto, then there's something to talk about. As far as Saturn goes though, no way.

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posted October 05, 2016 11:20 AM            

Uranus cannot break down Saturn. And Saturn cannot control or contain Uranus.

Pluto is no stronger. It transforms, that's all. Eventually things come back in FORM (that's Saturn) and with energy (Uranus).

posted October 05, 2016 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
To me, Saturn and Uranus are tied and at a stalemate.

Uranus cannot break down Saturn. And Saturn cannot control or contain Uranus.

Pluto is no stronger. It transforms, that's all. Eventually things come back in FORM (that's Saturn) and with energy (Uranus).

Like a planetary life cycle.

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posted October 05, 2016 11:49 AM            

I have Uranus on ASC, but Saturn is solitary and funnels the energy of the chart. Each has a different purpose,
Yet both are part of a pentagram so their energies are in balance, as pentagram has five points in equal balance. The energies are shared.

By aspects, Saturn and Uranus perform different functions in the chart...manage different things.
However, if your Uranus is weakened by some transit, your Saturn could be more felt and bossy.
Or Saturn could be made more powerful by a transit, hence it may overpower the chart during the transit being in effect. For instance, Saturn Return. When Uranus/Uranus opposition is in effect (midlife crises) then this may be felt the most.

posted October 05, 2016 11:56 AM            

Does that answer your question ?

posted October 05, 2016 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
Well as I mentioned I have Uranus on Ascendant.
My solitary Saturn makes sure I don't go overboard.

Does that answer your question ?

Edit: Saturn is the Disciplinarian

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posted October 05, 2016 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Short answer: Nooooo.

Long answer: It depends on how strong each planet is in your natal, but Saturn will impart the lessons it needs to one way or another. Sometimes those lessons are received gratefully and you may not even notice. For example, I enjoyed Saturn transiting my 6th house. I read nutrition articles on a daily basis, worked out and learned to cook better. Sometimes though, Saturn's lessons are not received well and they take your life by storm. Right now is my Saturn return and the crap I'm going through now isn't something I'd wish on my worst enemy. Uranus brings surprises, it jolts you out of the norm and shakes things up. Sometimes, I feel like Uranus works with Saturn to impart life lessons (Saturn is the original ruler of aquarius, after all). Anyway, that's my take.

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posted October 05, 2016 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I wish I didn't have Saturn in my 4th house it's horrible I don't know what lesson I'm going to learn. The only thing that seems to be happening is that I'm having problems with my parents being controlling. But Uranus is really working on me transiting Uranus trine moon, ac and Saturn it is also conjunct my sun, trine my natal Uranus and quintile my moon and semisquare my mars. Just makes me want to have my freedom.

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Saturn teaches discipline, Saturn's location is the arena for testing and setbacks, where you need to re-examine your motives. In 4th house it means your family will be strict or conservative, and perhaps do or say unexpected things. To solve this problem you need to look at the sign, and ruler and whether it is RX or intercepted etc etc

posted October 05, 2016 12:55 PM            

I have Saturn sR in the 4th opposite Uranus 10th. The more complete answer is

Saturn
In the 4th
stationed Retrograde
Opp Uranus
Square Mercury
Square Vertex axis
Opp Pluto
Trine venus
Trine NN
Trine Asc
Involved in one (or two) T-squares and a grand trine

Uranus
Opp Saturn
Conjunct Pluto
Square Mercury
Square Vertex axis
Sextile Venus
Sextile NN
Widely trine DC

By the way, my parents were great, thank you very much. Saturn in the 4th for me is more about struggling to put down roots and have a permanent home. And the Saturn Uranus conflict is more about freedom vs structure. Saturn Rx (and Saturn sR is like the strongest of the Rx) is about removing structure that no longer serves, so it winds up being like a uranus in that respect.

Transit Saturns still hit me like a ton of bricks though. You have to do your Saturn. And the more you fight it, the harder it becomes. The more you harness it, the faster your life gets better. Saturn is a gift you have to work for.

posted October 05, 2016 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
Saturn teaches discipline, Saturn's location is the arena for testing and setbacks, where you need to re-examine your motives. In 4th house it means your family will be strict or conservative, and perhaps do or say unexpected things. To solve this problem you need to look at the sign, and ruler and whether it is RX or intercepted etc etc

in short its hard to know whats going in your chart without seeing the whole chart.

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posted October 05, 2016 01:07 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I have Uranus and Saturn trine my AC and I have both Uranus and Saturn in my 4th house. The orb is -1°11s for Uranus trine AC and it's -6°57s Saturn trine AC.

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I already responded to this and the post didn't show up....weird..

Your Uranus in 4th is not an aspect of personality. Uranus on the ASC is the rebel, the one that goes against the norm.

In general Saturn conjunct Uranus
You know when to use control and when let your mind go free. You have flashes of insight but also the ability to make practical use of them. You have a combination of intuition and organisation that give you an ability to achieve amazing things.

This may be your inner security (confidence), how you see yourself.

posted October 05, 2016 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Gemini Blues:
No. They each have their domains. Saturn is a little more "personal" though.

I have Saturn sR in the 4th opposite Uranus 10th. The more complete answer is

Saturn
In the 4th
stationed Retrograde
Involved in one (or two) T-squares and a grand trine

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posted October 05, 2016 01:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
Firstly I was addressing the issue ChildofVenus has expressed that has with her parents, not your chart which may be expressing differently as you stated.
And surely, your Saturn is RX and in pattern, which gives a different meaning to the energy expressed. See my post up the thread about patterns.

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posted October 05, 2016 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
I'm not sure what RX means.
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Ok let me look at it and I'll get back to you later at night. Need to make dinner for people :-)

RX means Retrograde, the planet is in backwards motion. From astronomical perspective this is due to the planet's orbit pattern. Other than Earth , every other planet makes a complex geometric pattern. So when the planet is making a turn, say to do a little loop like Saturn, from the Earth it appears like its stopped . In reality it hasn't, it just appears so because of the angle.

posted October 05, 2016 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Novabronte:
Ok let me look at it and I'll get back to you later at night. Need to make dinner for people :-)

RX means Retrograde, the planet is in backwards motion. From astronomical perspective this is due to the planet's orbit pattern. Other than Earth , every other planet makes a complex geometric pattern. So when the planet is making a turn, say to do a little loop like Saturn, from the Earth it appears like its stopped . In reality it hasn't, it just appears so because of the angle.

In astrology terms it means that the planet energy turns inward, and becomes more subjective. There are more complex meanings as well, but lets leave it out for the moment.

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posted October 05, 2016 08:55 PM            

Saturn in 4th house is an indication that this will be an area of testing and setbacks for you, and Saturn Retrograde is an indication (in karmic context) of an old soul re-doing a lifetime. This is an opportunity to use all of your gifts accumulated over many lifetimes to get it perfectly this time. It also means that you have to carry the burden of two lifetimes at once. But remember, we only get to this point when our soul is ready to handle it, and able to overcome the challenges presented.

With Pluto RX and your 8th house stellium, you have a carry-over of psychic powers from previous lifetimes, this is your gift to help you in this incarnation, but you cannot use them in selfish way or to manipulate people ...or it may cause mental instability as your Pluto rx is in 3rd house.