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posted October 08, 2016 08:43 PM            

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On Astro.com 14 objects are taken into account when determining modality and elements. What do you use?

What do you think about Chiron and North Node? Are they as important as other 10 planets and Asc (which I prefer to use)?

I basically would like to know how you determine predominant modality and elements.

Especially elements! I also use houses because if someone, for example has no water in the chart but packed 4th, 8th or 12th houses, then they do have the water element present in their chart.

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posted October 08, 2016 08:51 PM            

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The sun's gravitational pull is 200x that of the moon. the moon is 200x that of jupiter. Jupiter is 350x that of mercury.

therefore the sun is 40000 greater than jupiter, and 14000000 than mercury.

but hey why not just count chiron as 1 point and the sun as 2

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posted October 08, 2016 08:56 PM            

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soren,

a little bit more information please how do You do it?

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posted October 08, 2016 08:57 PM            

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the sun makes up 99% of this solar system. chiron makes up 0.0000000000001%. but it makes sense that chiron, when calculating planetary dominants, should be equal to about 1 point, and since the sun is especially extraordinary, it should get as huge of a number as 2.

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posted October 08, 2016 09:03 PM            

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But Soooooren ))

Ok, fine, I get that you're Team Sun. What else do you like? Expand please.

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posted October 08, 2016 09:04 PM            

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The moon and ASC/DSC are a close second, close to one another, not close to being first

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posted October 08, 2016 09:06 PM            

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I just really want to understand this well because I don't know what others look at when they first see somebody's chart, but I look at personality type (top 2 elements).

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posted October 08, 2016 09:08 PM            

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Personality type will tell you what kind of energy they possess. Earthiness or whatnot. Earth I dont really see it as an energy but the exact opposite, the physical rusky bristles rubbing paying attention to that. textures

But yeah. I alwayss take into account house placements. I have a very deep friend, constantly thinking about destiny and deeper connections, how his thoughts effecting others, etc, he's a libra. Sun in the 8th. Exact same as scoprio.

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posted October 08, 2016 09:09 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
The moon and ASC/DSC are a close second, close to one another, not close to being first

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Right, I see you have some kind of point system. Sun, then Moon, Asc. I can guess personal planets first, then the rest. What are your top 2 elements (in your natal chart I mean) and how do you count them? Thanks

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posted October 08, 2016 09:11 PM            

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I personally consider Fire my first. (depends what are really stronger than the other, is having something in the houses more powerful than the signs? Some think yes. And how much more powerful? 5x? 10x?) Most astrologers might disagree. Sun in the first. And then I have sun in the 11th sign.

First use your sun. This should be about 80%. Then the moon should be about 15%. And the planets are the remaining 5%, which somehow are still having an extraordinary influence.

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posted October 08, 2016 09:18 PM            

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What I tried is adding up elements by planets in signs - everything in Astro.com element table - that would be 14 objecets including North Node, Chiron, Asc, MC. Then to get the total, add planets in houses (by element) - again all those 14 objects. Tried that with many people's charts and it seems to work fine.

Sorry, maybe this all sounds confusing. SO, example: Mars and Moon in Libra + Venus in Aquarius = 3, Sun in 11H + Moon in 7H = 2. Air = 3+2=5

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posted October 08, 2016 09:19 PM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
What I tried is adding up elements by planets in signs - everything in Astro.com element table - that would be 14 objecets including North Node, Chiron, Asc, MC. Then to get the total, add planets in houses (by element) - again all those 14 objects. Tried that with many people's charts and it seems to work fine.

Sorry, maybe this all sounds confusing. SO, example: Mars and Moon in Libra + Venus in Aquarius = 3, Sun in 11H + Moon in 7H = 2. Air = 3+2=5

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Seems pretty accurate. I don't see anything wrong with doing it like that.

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posted October 08, 2016 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
I personally consider Fire my first. (depends what are really stronger than the other, is having something in the houses more powerful than the signs? Some think yes. And how much more powerful? 5x? 10x?) Most astrologers might disagree. Sun in the first. And then I have sun in the 11th sign.

First use your sun. This should be about 80%. Then the moon should be about 15%. And the planets are the remaining 5%, which somehow are still having an extraordinary influence.

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In my opinion, the element strength primarily comes from planets in signs, definitely stronger than planets in houses.

Now 80% is A LOT. I can't for example say that I feel 80% Capricorn or 80% Earth. No way. Personal planets are all equal to me. But of course there's individual planet strength assessment that can be done. But it's not something I would do count elements..

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posted October 08, 2016 09:27 PM            

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Seems pretty accurate. I don't see anything wrong with doing it like that.

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Yes, but I don't feel comfortable including North Node, Chiron and maybe MC either..Maybe they really are important..and I just don't know/realise it?

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posted October 08, 2016 09:36 PM            

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I don't use them much as they are more subtle points created by the TRAIL of the sun, the sun itself is what creates the whole trail, meaning the trail is much weaker then the sun itself. I would only involve the 9 largest planests, the sun, moon, and asc/dsc, as it is the physical horizon. Our planet earth.

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posted October 09, 2016 07:09 PM            

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Soren, I just wanted to thank you for being kind to reply to me. Because nobody else did.

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posted October 09, 2016 07:14 PM            

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Welcome. I think it's cause I already tackled your question

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posted October 09, 2016 07:38 PM            

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Well, not really because it's not the type of question where there is one right answer. I wanted to know how other people approach it.

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posted October 09, 2016 07:45 PM            

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Well scientifically things are only going to equate to one strength per planet. but that's just a belief of mine.

but if you meant theres more than one answer for how people approach it, then yeah.

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posted October 17, 2016 06:43 PM            

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posted October 18, 2016 05:23 PM            

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I use the Sun through to Pluto and the Asc/Dsc/Ic/Mc as hypothetical "planets".

I don't use the Nodal Axis. Can't say why, but i don't

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