posted October 10, 2016 08:33 PM            

It wouldn't be so much that I "attract" them. That makes it sound like I do nothing when in fact, it's the lack of confidence Mars in the 12th has that leads me to be too uncomfortable (so far, Rome wasn't built in a day so...) to approach better quality men or be comfortable with their interest despite me being a quality woman.

Wherever Mars is in the chart is where it goes. Maybe Mars in the 12th is stronger at "fixing" people with problems, maybe it comes more naturally.

My Mars is in Gemini and sextiles all my Aries placements in the 11th though, so it works as a light switch. Aside from that I think there's simply a LOT of people with mental health issues and addiction issues who didn't grow up with the right brain chemistry, or the right families, etc.

How to "beat" this Mars placement and overcome it I'm not sure. My first relationship was with a normal dude but we kept it private which is also a Mars in 12th symptom. I find things come more to fruition in my life when I don't talk about it with other people which has both been an old adage, and also Mars in the 12th house.

posted October 10, 2016 10:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Koniucha:
Does anyone out there have Mars in 12th house and also have problems with men? I mean issues like having men come to you that have a bad intentions, things like that.

Or always attracting men that have problems, like mental issues or addicted to drugs are alcohol?

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The 12th house often speaks of energies that are more comfortable being expressed in private/alone or in a closed space.

It is also the house where one feels a sense of "dissolve" or detachment from things.

We go to the 12th house to "disappear" or "unplug" from physical reality and that is why it is the house of sleep/dreams- when the soul is exhausted with carrying around the physical body.

But it can also be the house of private leisure or things we secretly do that give us a sense of peace (as the 12th in Chaldean astrology is ruled by Venus)

If Mars is there,the manner of "escape" could be through some form of intensity, "rush" or high energy outlet.

This could be through sex,drugs that intensify the emotional state or even joining a secret "fight club" etc.

It could also be that one tends to "exhaust" the body physically in order to sleep well, one wakes very early from sleep or finds it difficult to fall asleep without some prior physical outlet of that energy.

posted October 11, 2016 03:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
The 12th house often speaks of energies that are more comfortable being expressed in private/alone or in a closed space.

It is also the house where one feels a sense of "dissolve" or detachment from things.

We go to the 12th house to "disappear" or "unplug" from physical reality and that is why it is the house of sleep/dreams- when the soul is exhausted with carrying around the physical body.

But it can also be the house of private leisure or things we secretly do that give us a sense of peace (as the 12th in Chaldean astrology is ruled by Venus)

If Mars is there,the manner of "escape" could be through some form of intensity, "rush" or high energy outlet.

This could be through sex,drugs that intensify the emotional state or even joining a secret "fight club" etc.

It could also be that one tends to "exhaust" the body physically in order to sleep well, one wakes very early from sleep or finds it difficult to fall asleep without some prior physical outlet of that energy.

What house does your Mars rule? What sign is your Mars and What aspects does it make to other planets?

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Mars rules my 4th house. I have Mars conjunct Neptune, sextile midheaven, and trine my NN.

posted October 11, 2016 04:31 AM            

From the moment I saw him, I had this weird feeling about him, so I just always ignored him. I was out pulling my weeds one day with my daughter and he decided to start talking to me. I didn't really want to but he just kind of stood there, so I talked for like 10 minutes then was done and went inside.

Well I guess he decided that since we talked, it was OK for him to start coming over. He came to my door that night around 1030 and knocked once and I did not answer. I knew it was him because I saw him walking away through my window. He started trying to talk to my daughter and giving her candy. So one morning he was at my game trying to give her candy again and I went outside and yelled at him. I told him that we aren't interested in his Candy.

After that he stopped trying to talk to me for a while, but about a week ago he started up again. My daughter's father came over to spend some time with her and he was outside my house smoking a cigarette. I guess the neighbor saw him and started talking to him asking him who he was and then asking him why I don't talk to him. He was also dressed very inappropriately, wearing tight shorts that look like tight underwear. My ex yelled at him to leave us alone and go inside and get dressed.

Later that night I came home and saw him outside his house. I was hoping he wouldn't talk to me,but he did. Asked me if a package of his came to my house. I said no and went inside. Unfortunately I did not lock my gate and he came to my door around 9 pm. I tried to ignore the knocking, but he kept at it. I did not open my door, but yelled 'yes'. He asked me if I had a dollar 😕

posted October 11, 2016 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Koniucha:
Mars rules my 4th house. I have Mars conjunct Neptune, sextile mid-heaven, and trine my NN.

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Hmmm with Mars conjunct Neptune,it increases the need for escapism. As the resources that Mars has,are focused on a Neptune outlet.

Do you spend a great deal of time alone? As Neptune is very private energy and the fact that it rules the 4th house suggests that you spend a lot of time(Mars) in your own company(4th) or are very protective(Mars) of your own private space(4th)

The aspect of Mars to Neptune also suggests strong compassion for others;giving, sensitive, sacrificial and sometimes unable to draw boundaries between yourself and others.

I know someone with Mars in Pisces and he definitely attracts "weird" characters i.e those whom the mainstream would call creepy.etc.

I think that if you are the type that likes solace, you may attract weird experiences to you- including people.

This is not to say that you should suddenly be outgoing, vivacious and gregarious however.But note that people can often sense someone who is a loner and assume that that "lonesome" quality that that person has, means that that person is more likely to accept /welcome their more seedy/eccentric character.

My little sister has Moon in Pisces and when younger, she was "flashed" by an elderly man whilst sitting alone in the park.

She enjoys solace and solitude-which is all very good and well. But this can also have not-so savory characters drawn to her as they see her as "easy prey".

From what you describe this guy is mentally unstable and Astrology aside, I would be more concerned about the safety of both yourself and your daughter.

My advice would be to surround yourself with people within the neighborhood,have the father of the child visit often or acquaint yourself with your neighbors.

Anti-social people tend to be intimidated /detracted from someone who is social or is always surrounded by people. It scares them away.

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posted October 11, 2016 09:57 AM            

I am studying to get into a good university for my master's in clinical psychology (although my bachelor's was in architecture, because of my Taurus sun and MC and Cancer Venus)

Mars conjunct Chiron can give a sort of "wanting to nurture and help people" energy.

Often times,people with Chiron-Mars aspects are themselves dealing with issues pertaining to masculinity/strength or issues of sexuality. Or attract to them people with such issues.

I think of Chiron-Mars aspect(the conjunction) as the understanding girlfriend who helps her boyfriend deal with sexual issues i.e early ejaculation,performance anxiety or the like in a very nurturing/caring way(Cancer)

In men, it often shows one feeling that they are not "enough"; not man enough, not strong enough, not sexy enough and a lot of times it debilitates how a man sees his own image.

But since we are dealing with Mars in Cnacer and I am assuming that you are a woman, we are dealing with protection.

And the Chiron-Mars in Cancer aspects suggests that perhaps there is an inadequate /complete lack of protection from those that are supposed to protect her or feeling very vulnerable?

With Mars ruling the 9th, this lack of protection may have come from an authority figure or someone whom the individual viewed as very influential to them.

Perhaps the person called you "stupid" or made you feel dumb? But there is an especially sensitive and wounded part of yourself that is either in and around the father or higher education and schooling.

I knew someone for instance who had Chiron(9th)-Saturn(3rd)in opposition and she was denied higher education by her father because she was not a boy and too "stupid" .

But her drive had her get a scholarship and outdo her siblings in her academic achievement- shaming her father.

With the added square of Mercury and opposition of Neptune/Uranus to the ruler of the 9th, I wonder if the 1st degree was a breeze?

With Aries on the cusp of the 9th suggests to me that you are very competitive with regards to higher education and want to be "number one".

It makes sense for you to do the masters in Clinical psychology actually as the Uranus/Neptune opposition interacting with Mercury and Mars(ruler of the 9th) suggests a field of study that is less about numerical precision and more about ideologies,is better suited for you.

posted October 11, 2016 10:41 AM            

I have mars in Sagittarius with Jupiter on my 6th house cusp ruling my 8th.

Mars is also conjunct NN and Pluto, square Saturn, and opposite my Ascendant.

These descriptions fit perfectly.

I was never the outgoing type when it comes to the dating scene. I was never into the whole courting process which has led many guys to believe that's all I think of myself which isn't the case at all. I would just rather lay up with my partner in an intimate setting vs going out on consistent dates and playing the whole dating game. All of that seems overrated and unnecessary but as I get older and more experienced, I'm starting to realize a lot of people view it as a way to determine "worthiness" when it comes to being in a relationship. I would rather skip the extras and get straight to the intimate sexy stuff. All of my connections are never superficial right off the bat anyway. I guess it's weird. I hope I'm making sense.

posted October 11, 2016 11:27 AM            

If Mars in 12H (in a woman's chart) CAN mean "men with hidden agendas" wouldn't then Venus 12H (in a man's chart) mean "women with hidden agendas"?

posted October 11, 2016 02:49 PM            

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* this is gonna be lOOOng and sorry to high jack the thread, but this is mostly for Aries23Degrees. so feel free to skip reading my post :-)

thank you so much for your great insights! it was wonderfully correct and your understanding felt really warm which had me rambling so much!

Is 23 degrees of Aries your sun?!

this is very interesting because it's the exact degree of my mercury which also sits exactly on my sun/moon midpoint!

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This was insighful.And thank you

Again I think I was presumptuous in assuming that Mars is only applicable to males and that it is only valid in females when they are projecting it on the man that they are attracted to.

Your Dad wishing that you were a boy and dressing you in boy clothes is very much Chiron-Mars conjunct in Cancer.

Chiron in Cancer, Leo, Aries and Scorpio or its planetary affiliations is very painful.

With Cancer,the hurt comes from someone who is supposed to care for you(Cancer). And can make it more crippling.

Also Aries on the 9th house cusp is my sisters position.It certainly does suggest an inability to concentrate-again highlighted by Chiron-Mars(ruler of the 9th).

If you read Chiron in 9th/Chiron in 3rd, it talks of learning difficulties or just being unable to be attentive. Perhaps even finding ones own unique way of learning?

posted October 11, 2016 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

Your Dad wishing that you were a boy and dressing you in boy clothes is very much Chiron-Mars conjunct in Cancer.

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sometimes I did think that he was doing it to protect me from all those men out there, as in me dressing like a boy would hide my feminine looks which could attract perverts

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
With regards to the 23 Degrees.That is the position of my Juno.

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posted October 12, 2016 09:09 AM            

I will not allow this guy to bring me fear at my own home , that is for sure. I have Neptune conjunct ascendant and I'm sure that I come off very innocent and delicate, which I also am. But I am also not afraid to defend myself.

My daughter has a Pisces Moon and it seems like the both of us together attract these weirdos.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Hmmm with Mars conjunct Neptune,it increases the need for escapism. As the resources that Mars has,are focused on a Neptune outlet.

Do you spend a great deal of time alone? As Neptune is very private energy and the fact that it rules the 4th house suggests that you spend a lot of time(Mars) in your own company(4th) or are very protective(Mars) of your own private space(4th)

The aspect of Mars to Neptune also suggests strong compassion for others;giving, sensitive, sacrificial and sometimes unable to draw boundaries between yourself and others.

I know someone with Mars in Pisces and he definitely attracts "weird" characters i.e those whom the mainstream would call creepy.etc.

I think that if you are the type that likes solace, you may attract weird experiences to you- including people.

This is not to say that you should suddenly be outgoing, vivacious and gregarious however.But note that people can often sense someone who is a loner and assume that that "lonesome" quality that that person has, means that that person is more likely to accept /welcome their more seedy/eccentric character.

My little sister has Moon in Pisces and when younger, she was "flashed" by an elderly man whilst sitting alone in the park.

She enjoys solace and solitude-which is all very good and well. But this can also have not-so savory characters drawn to her as they see her as "easy prey".

From what you describe this guy is mentally unstable and Astrology aside, I would be more concerned about the safety of both yourself and your daughter.

My advice would be to surround yourself with people within the neighborhood,have the father of the child visit often or acquaint yourself with your neighbors.

Anti-social people tend to be intimidated /detracted from someone who is social or is always surrounded by people. It scares them away.

Neptune aspects to personal planets has some Persephone undertones to them. And you definitely don't want some shady "Hades" type of person taking you into the underworld-whether figuratively or literally

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posted October 12, 2016 02:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Vradec:
I notice Mars in 12th often showing an absent father in some way, whether it be physically or emotionally etc. So yes I imagine it may mean problems with men in relationships too.

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posted October 12, 2016 05:02 PM            

I've heard from many other friends though, that they have seen men flashing themselves, when they were alone at some places. I actually got the impression that this happens often?

posted October 15, 2016 11:09 AM            

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Your Dad wishing that you were a boy and dressing you in boy clothes is very much Chiron-Mars conjunct in Cancer.

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I read somewhere this, disappointment by your parents, is a Saturn to Moon/Venus aspect. Where whatever you are or become your parents wishes you were something else, thus withholding affection that is common by the Saturn aspects.

posted October 15, 2016 11:34 AM            

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If Mars in 12H (in a woman's chart) CAN mean "men with hidden agendas" wouldn't then Venus 12H (in a man's chart) mean "women with hidden agendas"?

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re:12th house/Neptune/Pisces and hidden agendas.

In one of her books Liz Greene says that the Neptune/Pisces/12house person never starts out with the intention to hide anything. Often they're the object of projection, then ends up pigeonholed in that role. The passive nature of this energy then chooses the path of least resistance and expresses their true nature in secret so as not to shatter the projector's image.

A recurring theme is where a Venus person meets somebody. That somebody is very friendly, so Venus in the 12 responds in kind. However friendship is the only affection Venus has for that person. Subsequently a second persons appears who Venus in the 12 is romantically attracted to, but that expression hurts and offends the 1st person. Venus in the 12, for peace, feels compelled to take this "relationship" underground in a secret 12 House place.

posted October 15, 2016 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
sometimes I did think that he was doing it to protect me from all those men out there, as in me dressing like a boy would hide my feminine looks which could attract perverts

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Parents made me look like a boy. I was an active tomboy, and my parents were not home to watch the kids. I believe they did this to detract pervs. I had confusion about gender and sexuality from a early age. Robert Hand's book 'Transits' mentioned something about Chiron-- feeling like being born in the wrong body.