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Topic: The Midheaven is all lies?? Calculates the sun, but not the planetary disc?
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soren
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From: On a Meteor 3 parsecs from you
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 10, 2016 04:52 PM
  
"North of the arctic circle, the sun does not rise on the winter solstice (at 0° Capricorn), but stays under the horizon even at noon. From this it follows that an MC at 0° Capricorn, i. e. at the point of the winter solstice, is not above, but below the horizon." -astrodienst on polar latitudesSo basically, on days when the sun is below the horizon for a full day, it does reach a point that is the "highest", but it still falls below the horizon. But they still consider that the MH. So it sounds like the MH/IC is solely based off of the movement of the sun. That can't be correct because there is always 180 degrees of ecplitic (solar system orbitary plane) above and below our horizon. Equal. I hope I'm wrong but it seems like astrologers and astronomers aren't calculating where that plane is the highest from our horizon, and are merely tracking where the sun would be at its highest which wouldn't relate to where our orbitary planetarium would be at the highes If you watch this video, and have tried entering a northernly town into astrotheme, you will see that the sun even reaches the MH. On astrotheme, at a northernly town like Longyearbyen, the sun would touch the MH on a short day like that. But if the sun were to rise for a mere 10 minutes (just barely even see it and then its gone) according to that, the Sun should come across the MH. But that won't be the planetary solar plane. If you watch the video, the DESC will be exactly 180 degrees from the sun rise. The sun sets back on the same ASC (east part of the ecliptic). There is 180 degrees of planets orbit above our horizon, the Earth from its rotation sees that sun for a short span and then spins away from it, there is no reason that that sun should cross the MH (highest point from our horizon to the highest point of the orbitary planet plane). Can anyone help clarify.
I think maybe when a planet is conjunct the MH that it will be conjunct the highest point of the sun's path. Which would be significant. But it would also be significant to know where the planet will be when its the highest from our horizon. I just believe there is a significance in the furthest part of 2 rings, a kind of point is created from this dual-ring-dynamic and it is significant to have a planet there.
to further clarify: in parts of the world where the sun rises above the asc for an hour, then sets back below the asc (and astrotheme takes this into account, the sun staying on the same side of the earth, and even still, the sun crosses the "MH" exactly at the time which is halfway between when it rose, and when it sets). that sun will still touch the MH. even if it rose for 10 minutes. How can the eclpitic come 180 degrees across the horizon and then go below the horizon on the other side, how can it do that, how can 90 degrees (half of the upper eclpitic) stretch from within 4 degrees from where the sun rose, and then the other half would fit into the section where the sun was at its highest. it goes to the same hypothesis as my first after the astrodienst quote. the MH isn't the highest point of an objects orbit. its just the sun's highest point. i thought there was supposed to be some kind of significance if an object was the highest point from our ground as it could be. ???????? IP: Logged |
soren
Knowflake Posts: 1464
From: On a Meteor 3 parsecs from you
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 10, 2016 07:35 PM
If you really think about it. Imagine our horizon as a disk in space. Now imagine another ring, centered around it, not directly in line with it, but just somewhere around that disk. Our current science says that the highest point between these 2 objects, is due south. Hm. But I don't think that would change where the 2 rings are furthest?
I finally have all the answers... theres 5 main strong zodiacs
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soren
Knowflake Posts: 1464
From: On a Meteor 3 parsecs from you
Registered: Sep 2012
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posted October 10, 2016 11:33 PM
this is off topic and non-related to my studyi have my sun in aries in 4 Edit: 3, 1 is unknown as of late to its start IP: Logged |
soren
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From: On a Meteor 3 parsecs from you
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posted October 10, 2016 11:37 PM
Here's one that'll toot the pants down The sun's daily motion path, + the yearly engrained sensed orbiting period of the earth, is the one $_$ 5 dollars IP: Logged |
soren
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From: On a Meteor 3 parsecs from you
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posted October 11, 2016 05:15 AM
Well guys turns out I wasn't wrong. Source"The highest point of the zodiac above the horizon has never been the Midheaven (unless by coincidence). Astrologers tend to get this wrong. The highest point of the zodiac above the horizon is called the nonagesimal. The nonagesimal is the point of the zodiac that is 90° distant from the radical ascendant in the direction in opposite to the ascension of the signs. No degree of the zodiac culminates twice during a day. When 0° Cancer appears in the North at midnight this is when this degree appears at it’s lowest point, which is much contrary to it’s culmination in the South. However, every degree will pass the Great Circle of the Meridian twice a day, as these intersections are defined by the MC and IC. As the Midheaven moves through the sub-terrestrial path of the zodiac that takes it below the local horizon of the observer, the ascendant will move swiftly, and with retrograde motion, through the signs of short ascension. The nonagesimal will display a similar horrendous motion and move with great speed as it is constantly at a right angle and inseparably linked to the ascendant" Nonagesimal definition on google: "Astronomy and Astrology. The point of the ecliptic which is highest above the horizon at any given time, being 90 degrees round the ecliptic from the point at which it intersects the horizon." I always knew that if you had 2 perfect rings, centered to the same center point, the points SQUARE to where they intersect is where they will come the furthest apart. This is very significant in astrology. But no one knows that perhaps the yearly orbit of earth around the sun, engrains its own metaphysical ring around us. I mean they see it happen in one day, they probably don't even think that it's creating an energy ring. They probably just think that there's some kind of special universe cycle taking place. IP: Logged | |
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