posted October 19, 2016 10:21 AM            

And to open up Neptune aspects

Common complaint I have is that I have walls, and I put up walla during conflict. Really I just feel like I'm preserving energy because if we thought along the same lines there wouldn't be an argument in the first place.

I have Sun / Saturn, Moon / Saturn, Moon / Pluto, and Venus / Saturn and Venus / Neptune.

posted October 19, 2016 10:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Also, what are placements that can help one overcome this issue?

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posted October 19, 2016 10:30 AM            

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posted October 19, 2016 10:32 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Electro DGX:
[b]Also, what are placements that can help one overcome this issue?

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Uhm, why WOULDN'T you ask that? I'm so glad we have a member here who doesn't view astrology as fatalistic and permanent.

We all have aspects that hold the energy to balance out less desirable ones. On top of that he could be talking about aspects other people have that help others open up to them. You don't know. Maybe ask before you act like it was a stupid question.

posted October 19, 2016 11:06 AM            

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Why would you ask that?! It's not like you can BUY new placements.

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Where the hell did you get that idea from? Obviously I can't buy astrological placements; that would be akin to buying indulgences. That's why I'm asking what aspects can HELP one in OVERCOMING this issue.

Aside from that, thanks for the responses everyone. Saturn makes sense. I have Saturn opposite Ascendant and a complaint is that I have these barriers that I put myself in, making it harder for people to warm up to me. Honestly, it causes problems because that's not what I want; if it was perhaps a trine I may feel more comfortable with it.

Uranus though is surprising to hear. Why do you say that? I'd like to hear more on it.

posted October 19, 2016 11:40 AM            

That's not the only stuff I'm sure.

I have had, well, still have this bad habit to some extent.

To overcome it. Well, I'm not past it completely. I succumb to it still and it takes a conscious effort to not do it.
I turned to my mercury. It's in Virgo. It's my chart ruler, it's strong. Without question my dominant planet. So I try to use it to my advantage to slow down and think. To rationalize before I do things. Sometimes successfully, sometimes not. It being in 12th helps me to put myself in other's shoes.

posted October 19, 2016 05:13 PM            

The remedy is jovial/Jupiter. Expansion remedies contraction and collapse. Seek out positive, more breezy people who have a can-do attitude.

posted October 19, 2016 05:28 PM            

Uranus on ASc
Sco Saturn square Sun/Moon in Pisces

Super tough on myself and always disciplining myself to be better. When I didn't perform as well as I should, or make a mistake, I blame myself so much. I get very embarrassed for making mistakes also. I get extremely disappointed in myself... Start to question my true abilities and wonder if I will ever be better.

posted October 20, 2016 02:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
This is most typical of Saturn types, Moon-Saturn/Cap types.

The remedy is jovial/Jupiter. Expansion remedies contraction and collapse. Seek out positive, more breezy people who have a can-do attitude.

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posted October 20, 2016 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
This is most typical of Saturn types, Moon-Saturn/Cap types.

The remedy is jovial/Jupiter. Expansion remedies contraction and collapse. Seek out positive, more breezy people who have a can-do attitude.

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posted October 20, 2016 11:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Would you not include Scorpio/Cancer as a part of this group too? I shut down when I am hurt. And give the person responsible silent treatment.

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I would have to agree with this personally. With my fourth house stellium which includes an exact Sun conjunction to the IC and an 8th house Moon, I can be like this. Although, my Mars on my Ascendant doesn't like it because I boil up with rage, and it just wants to come out excessively.

posted October 20, 2016 05:43 PM            

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Would you not include Scorpio/Cancer as a part of this group too? I shut down when I am hurt. And give the person responsible silent treatment.

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Yeah, I thought about including Scorpio/Pluto types in this, but I guess I figured someone would bring it up. Scorpio/Plutonian types won't stay entirely numb forever, but they can certainly quickly shift out of social/relating mode in order to regain their emotional footing.

As to Uranus -- no. That energy is quite electric, active and has no part in this. Same for fire planets. Those relate to the conduction/transfer/expression of energy. Shutting down means blocking the flow of outward expression or basic energies. This is especially a Saturnine tendency., Sometimes water sign placements like Moon in Scorpio, etc, when feelings become too much and it seems better to simply go numb or close oneself off from the emotive stimulus.

Sometimes recovery can also be gained through a redirection into personal physical exertions of one's vitality (fire factors, sun, mars). Water types often don't do this, but 'soak' in what they feel or just themselves until they're sick enough of it to move on.

I shut off internally more than anyone I knew years ago. It was a slow, slippery slope into depression. It was a basic Saturnine and Moon in Capricorn tendency.

A wise woman told me once to do whatever it takes to keep your joy up. I think it is great advice for anyone. Anything that reinvigorates the feeling of life within us. Music helps me this way, and I make sure to take whatever herbs and supplements I need to support my energy levels and glandular/brain balance.

The worst times in my life I shut down so bad that I could not even enjoy music. It couldn't reach me. My wife knows to look for this, although I don't anticipate going there anymore. I've learned too much from those awful years. A song from that period of my life and needing to come out of it is Me Up Inside" by Evanescence.

Now I am very proactive at staying creative, listening to all kinds of music, finding new music (Reggae and metal mostly). Youtube is great for this, and some of our libraries too. There is lots and lots of great music out there from artists in all genres and continents. Here is a sample for ya:
Nesbeth, "My Dream" ... okay I have to put on the headphones and Listen ta Nesbeth right naahhh!
Or listen to some Bob Marley Even dead people can love us with their music. You love music? Its them loving you back! Or any of his sons, Stephen ( Stone", a fusion collaboration - gotta listen to that too now), Damian ( to Zion"). Or listen to Buju and Bruised", then Good"

And sing along, dance! If you can listen to any of that and not feel better -- get some help or get your bestie over and give you some love.

Or sink into some doom metal and soak for a bit. I do that a bit too.

It is understandable to get overwhelmed or disappointed and feel a desire to just shut things off for a while. Just don't stay there long. Seriously, a day or two to withdraw and pull your head up again. Hell, have a little toot or a boom draw and zone out for a day or two, but hang in here with us. Humanity needs you. Mama Earth and Father Sky love you. Okay, that's all the hippy-dippy stuff for now.