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Julz87
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posted October 22, 2016 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No sense of identity. Feeling lost often times. It's at a 2 degree orb.

Do any of you have this?

What's it like for you?

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hypatia238
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posted October 22, 2016 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have it at 2d too but I have never struggled with my identity, I have always had a strong character.

Perhaps you can say I lose myself when I fall deeply in love with another and Neptune rules my 5th but I have only fallen like that once. My desire to have children died with the end of that relationship you can say as well.

I have sun in the 11th squaring neptune ruler of 5H in the 2nd. Is like staying in that relationship meant sacrificing my hopes and dreams in exchange of experiencing deep romantic love and having children but I chose the freedom to go after my hopes and dreams. It's a square that makes me feel I can't have it all and have to choose one or the other, the square makes it feel like a sacrifice must be made one way or another. Mind you deep Romantic love and having children use to be part of my hopes and dreams but bc sun is squaring neptune that is the part of my hopes and dreams that had to be sacrificed and felt in conflict with other things I want and my ego needs.

It's hard to explain Neptune rules the 5th house and falls in the 2nd so deep romantic love, active sex life, having children, having my own business are all things I value a lot but don't get to have or keep long term and I always end up losing these things and having to give them up.

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posted October 22, 2016 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Example if I decided to have children, it would mean sacrificing greatly my freedom (sun in the 11th) and I would probably lose myself in my children and fall for them while also resenting them bc I will feel I can not do the things I want and no longer am free.

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posted October 22, 2016 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having children terrifies me bc I will lose my freedom but at some point I was obsessed with having children and it was all I wanted more than anything since an early age as well as this big out of this world love but I was seeing this through rose colored glasses. I saw romantic love and been a mother through rose colored glasses and did not see either realistically and the sacrifices it comes with. Once I took off the rose colored glasses and saw things realistically I no longer want to have kids or feel very conflicted about it. I went from one extreme to the other. I don't idealize been in a relationship either or romantic love like I use to. I guess those were areas I saw through rose colored glasses.

It's a complex aspect, you have look at the houses and the planets that they fall in and what houses its ruling to get the meaning. This blanket interpretation that says 'no sense of identy' I can't relate to at all.

I definitely see through rose colored glasses and not clearly when it comes to 5th house matters!! Lol

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Empty Spaces
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posted October 22, 2016 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sun/neptune conjunction (2). 7H/8H

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At its highest Neptune dissolves the little self and opens us to the larger one-ness of things and the potentiality for mystical union with the ONE. At its lowest it can dissolve our sense of identity and capacity to function as a separate individual, leaving us floundering in confusion, chaos and psychotic breakdown.

That rings true to me.

How exactly do you feel Julz?Do you mind to share?
I feel lost most of time but is hard to explain why.I am an puzzle even to myself lol

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 22, 2016 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This aspect is an urging to be subtle, but still quite creative. Finesse over force. It tends to sap the ego out of things, so look for less egoistic ways of expressing your true self. It erodes raw animal power out of the conventional notion of what self/masculine principle is expected to be. Eventually you can outgrow the doubt and recognize strength can be subtle and sensitive too.

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posted October 22, 2016 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a biggy, I feel awkward leading in group settings specifically at work and I have sun in the 11th ruling MC square Neptune. I don't feel in control in such setting like the square to Neptune makes me insecure in such matters and challenging to lead I guess. Its an area that feels foreign, were I don't feel naturally organized in and were I don't want to lead in and just blend in.

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posted October 23, 2016 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have 9H Neptune square 6H Sun

But my Neptune is conjunct Saturn/Uranus and my sun is conjunct Mars/Mercury while my Neptune directly opposes Jupiter 3H, pretty big t -square so I guess it's kinda hard for me to single out Neptunes influence and Neptune trines my ASC by 0'10 orb, it's one of my closest aspects

Every once in awhile I'll just be so confused, about so many different/random stuff ha, it's like I'll be so scattered I miss things and I'll think I know what's going on when I have no clue haha. . Im pretty spacey and I can be hypersensitive, Im sensitive to the atmosphere, what I pick up and put out. When I was younger I use to make things up all the time and I remember being a bit deceptive but in really outrageous ways, like I would say I had a brother when I didn't, or I would say I did something when I didn't, I've learned not to lie because the truth usually comes out and it doesn't feel right to lie, I've always been told I was a terrible liar (by my mom lol) so I don't even bother so I think that's why storytelling like lies where easier when I was younger.!I'm very philosophical so I've aligned my beliefs with my action.. I'm very imaginative, I always had dream worlds I would go into (12H Pisces cusp also) I'm extremely visual/artistic, some of my dreams are so surreal and insane. Maybe too because I'm libra sun, I can be changeable and fickle. Also always been open to mystical, spiritual avenues and curious on the unknown (maybe my strong angular Pluto also?)

I don't think I've had issues with my identity? But maybe I have, I've grown so much, I do feel like a constant new person. I feel like I have a very strong personality and likes, far from weak, if anything I'm changeable and multifaceted. At my worst confused, and with saturns influence, illusively self doubting myself.i certainly have my moments where I have no idea who I am or if I'm nothing or all things.

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Julz87
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posted October 23, 2016 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hypatia,

I really like you, I always read your posts (I dont comment in this section often) and I find them quite inspiring I've been meaning to reply to one of your post in my Saturn return thread, you edited out but I was completley in awe about your experience during that time both as an activist and a bit of rebellion in that experience you described (I think it was that thread) I was fascinated, I'm a 12th houser so anything that revels against limitations or confinement facinates me, big on taboo subjects as well.
I can relate with everything you've said just now, I tend to fall deep with another to the point where there's risk that I lose my sense of identity its as if I adopt the other personas identity and mine ceases to exist. My Neptune in the 3rd house Cap and Sun in the 12th house so I'm really colored a Pisces. I'm sailing through my Saturn return and slowly those rose tinted glasses are fading it's kinda saddening but I think necessary in order for me to be more realistic. About losing sense of freedom, I agree, freedom to me is sacred it's come to the point that any emotional attachment established with another feels like a threat to that sense of freedom, Pisces rules my 6th house one of my fears is being robbed of my health = losing my sense of freedom. - I wish I could share more with you but not on here.

Even as a Cap Moon for me it rings true in regards to lacks sense of identity I sometimes, well, more often times than I care to admit feel lost, like I can't really relate to that many people in fact I have to change like a chameleon in order to mirror the intensity/persona of the other and it makes me feel lost.

What is your sun, moon, merc, venus, mars and Ac placement? If you don't mind me asking.

I'm Libra Sun, Cap Moon, Scorp Mercury, Libra Venus, Virgo Mars and Libra AC

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Julz87
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posted October 23, 2016 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
EmptySpaces,

Rings true for me too! Its hard to explain,

My Neptune is in the 3rd for me childhood is nebulous I don't remember much of it if at all. I communicate quite nicely though it's in tight sextiles to mercury & Pluto (conjunct)

I feel lost and like a puzzle to myself most if not all the time lol.
I learn something new about myself almost every day AND so do others even though they've known me years I never divulge my whole story. Are you this way too?

Also I notice sun square Neptune others tend to view you as some sort of fantasy (it's really not my fault if they do) but once they see I'm flawed I feel devastated that I disapointed or wasn't able to live up to their ideals. Does this happen to you?

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Empty Spaces
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posted October 23, 2016 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Empty Spaces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hell yeah,same here lol
The neptune fog hides our sun (identity) from others,I guess.

This fantasy part you mentioned is the worst part for me.I feel very bad when that happens too and recently I noticed tht over the years I started to simply cut the cords with many people to avoid this frustration.

Plus I was described through the tarot cards as "hard to read" and stoic, which is true.People don't see me at all.Even when I was depressed no one noticed (I feel like they see me as the way they want) but I dont know if that is due to my moon/ASC in gemini or the neptune/sun aspect.

Are you going through a Tpluto/sun square?I think this transit is perfect to reveal our true self to the world and even to ourselves.

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Elysia
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posted October 23, 2016 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Julz87
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posted October 23, 2016 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
This aspect is an urging to be subtle, but still quite creative. Finesse over force. It tends to sap the ego out of things, so look for less egoistic ways of expressing your true self. It erodes raw animal power out of the conventional notion of what self/masculine principle is expected to be. Eventually you can outgrow the doubt and recognize strength can be subtle and sensitive too.


This feels so right, I honestly believe my subtleness and sensitivity is one of my strengths, idk if its this aspect or mars trine moon but im a very calm person, a bit too calm and laid back. "Less egoistic way of expressing the self" working on this as a Cap Moon and Pluto/Merc in the first it's kind of hard, pride tends to make way especially with education/intellectual capacity it's THE ONLY time my egoistic tendencies surface. You're a Cap Sun right? So I'm sure you understand Caps from what I seen pride themselves in their knowledge/intellectual capacity, perseverance and discipline.

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posted October 23, 2016 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Julz87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
This is a biggy, I feel awkward leading in group settings specifically at work and I have sun in the 11th ruling MC square Neptune. I don't feel in control in such setting like the square to Neptune makes me insecure in such matters and challenging to lead I guess. Its an area that feels foreign, were I don't feel naturally organized in and were I don't want to lead in and just blend in.

Exactly the same for me, for me it's the fact that leading puts me on display sun in 12th I do not like to be watched in action but am always forced to lead.

But if it always happens for you could be perhaps others view you as capable remember they are seeing what they want to see (idealizing you) sun square Neptune.

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posted October 23, 2016 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Julz87:
Hypatia,

I really like you, I always read your posts (I dont comment in this section often) and I find them quite inspiring I've been meaning to reply to one of your post in my Saturn return thread, you edited out but I was completley in awe about your experience during that time both as an activist and a bit of rebellion in that experience you described (I think it was that thread) I was fascinated, I'm a 12th houser so anything that revels against limitations or confinement facinates me, big on taboo subjects as well.
I can relate with everything you've said just now, I tend to fall deep with another to the point where there's risk that I lose my sense of identity its as if I adopt the other personas identity and mine ceases to exist. My Neptune in the 3rd house Cap and Sun in the 12th house so I'm really colored a Pisces. I'm sailing through my Saturn return and slowly those rose tinted glasses are fading it's kinda saddening but I think necessary in order for me to be more realistic. About losing sense of freedom, I agree, freedom to me is sacred it's come to the point that any emotional attachment established with another feels like a threat to that sense of freedom, Pisces rules my 6th house one of my fears is being robbed of my health = losing my sense of freedom. - I wish I could share more with you but not on here.

Even as a Cap Moon for me it rings true in regards to lacks sense of identity I sometimes, well, more often times than I care to admit feel lost, like I can't really relate to that many people in fact I have to change like a chameleon in order to mirror the intensity/persona of the other and it makes me feel lost.

What is your sun, moon, merc, venus, mars and Ac placement? If you don't mind me asking.

I'm Libra Sun, Cap Moon, Scorp Mercury, Libra Venus, Virgo Mars and Libra AC


I don't know if is bc I have pluto in Libra and is a singleton planet for me or bc Venus rules my DC or bc I have sun in Virgo in the decan of Venus but I adore Libra placements. I thought I had a thing for Scorpios lol but have realized that Libra is what I adore and people with Libra tend to love me very much too...both my ex and my partner have Libra as their strongest planet. Both of my best friends have moon in Libra. My dog is a Libra, one of the two anyways lol..

I admire a lot Libra traits ...

I have sun in Virgo square Neptune opposite moon in Pisces which also squares Neptune forming a luminary t-square with neptune at the release point. I have mercury in Virgo opposing moon too and squaring widely Neptune by 9d also forming a t-square.

Venus conjunct Mars by 1d trine Neptune and sextile pluto.

Scorpio rising.

Add: Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 1st.

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posted October 23, 2016 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Julz87:
Exactly the same for me, for me it's the fact that leading puts me on display sun in 12th I do not like to be watched in action but am always forced to lead.

But if it always happens for you could be perhaps others view you as capable remember they are seeing what they want to see (idealizing you) sun square Neptune.


Haha exactly, I don't want to lead or supervise. I just want to go to my office and do my thing privately.

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posted October 24, 2016 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bumblebee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this - Neptune is dispositor of my Pisces sun and squares it from 5th house, Sun in 8th. Thank God I have Saturn on Asc that keeps all people and things of intruding in me.
When I was little I've always wondered how people are so concerned with mundane things, I roar on clouds like all the time LOL. Then I decided that I should be like them. HUGE mistake cus I give up a part of me - that gentle and creative part.

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posted October 26, 2016 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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thegrinning_cat
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posted October 26, 2016 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thegrinning_cat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hard Neptune Aspects to the Luminaries can also indicate a theme of absence with father/mother.

It's not always physical absence, but a form of being absent in the relationship.
Because of job duties, drug or alcohol abuse, an unfulfilled dream.
It indicates a "weak" parent.

My father was always gone for business in foreign countries. I remember getting a fax for my birthday....and missing him terribly. When he came home, he flooded me with presents. But I still have a hard time forgiving him, because he left me and my mother alone with my disabled brother.

The Neptune Square to my Sun was hard for me, too.
It's a deep struggle finding an identity. I found it with the movies I went to. They taught me about life and my feelings. I still work at a cinema and teach classes on film.
Neptune rules Art and Healing - it's the best you can do, looking for your purpose in life.
Just try things out...and stay grounded.
Be careful with dependency issues!!!! (.....I stuggeled so hard)
Connect yourself with Earth Signs
Saturn can help to find structure and shape.

The Neptune/Moon Opposition I have, makes it worse.
But the T-Square also helped me to work on these issues.
And my Mom's absence had to do with her first love, who died suddenly....a part of her was always with him, and I accept it now, that I know it. She told me a few years ago.

But don't worry, Neptune can be a blessing too!
Sensitivity, Empathy and Spiritual Wisdom.....people will appreciate you so much!

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posted October 27, 2016 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bumblebee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great post grinning cat!

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hypatia238
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posted October 27, 2016 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Umm Neptune squares my sun and Moon. My mother was a workaholic but yet I have always felt her presence too strongly in my life lol. She is an extremely capable woman who has accomplished a great deal but she is too religious and easily impressionable and I feel she copes with her anxiety with religion. I will add that she is very intuitive and spiritual!!

As for my dad, he had to travel a lot for business specifically during my teens but I never got mad at him for it, I understood and I have ways felt deeply loved and supported by him, he was very present during the first 10 years of my life and tickled me a lot. I have a great relationship with my dad. They both have been there when I need them. Now his weakness is mars in Libra and I felt that lead to him avoiding conflict with my mom which I saw as weak but I would neeeeever ever say a blanket statement like my parents are weak lol that would be unjust, they are overall very strong and capable individuals that I admire and both are very compassionate and humanitarian, people of service. They are the reason I am a therapist. My mom is a pediatrician and my dad a therapist but ran his father's business for years after he got Alzheimer's disease. They are both very spiritual too, my dad asked my mom to marry him bc of a spiritual experience he had.

I have sun conjunct Horus interestingly and am his only biological daughter.

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posted October 27, 2016 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will say this that the square from Neptune to my Sun and Moon can represent how their spiritual beliefs and religion alienate me from them bc I don't share their religious beliefs which leads to me distancing myself from them to some extent. My mother's desire that I share her religious views truly pushes me away from her having the opposite affect of what she wants.

I have never had an identity crises. I have always known who I am maybe bc I have Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 1st with Scorpio rising. The only thing that I felt in love deeply too much, gave myself too much emotionally to the other but even then I knew clearly who I was.

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