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Topic: Saturn stops cheating???
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alludeu
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From: Australia
Registered: Aug 2016
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posted October 23, 2016 10:37 AM
  
Do you think hard aspects (in natal chart) from saturn to venus and/or mars would make someone more monogamous in relationships, if their venus or mars was in a typically unfaithful sign?IP: Logged |
ChildofVenus
Knowflake Posts: 1242
From: Customer Service Rep.
Registered: Apr 2015
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posted October 23, 2016 02:57 PM
I think having Venus sextile/trine Saturn in a natal chart may make a person feel more serious about relationships.
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Originally posted by alludeu:
Do you think hard aspects (in natal chart) from saturn to venus and/or mars would make someone more monogamous in relationships, if their venus or mars was in a typically unfaithful sign?
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Cappi112
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From: New York, New York, USA
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posted October 24, 2016 07:24 AM
DEfinitely not. My relationship with a man who had Saturn squaring his Venus and Mars was a mess of finding out he was a masterful cheater. He had many other women in his life while I dated him. But, he was a skillful liar and always lived an edgy life so I was easily fooled by him the entire time. We met at the very beginning of my Neptune Conjunct Venus transit, which is ending now - we dated on and off the entire time I was going through that. And yes, I would say I was disillusioned. Interestingly, I wound up dumping him right at the beginning of my own Saturn square Venus and Mars transit.I found out almost all the details of things and shut it down - we have not spoken since. That was almost 8 months ago. I would not say that Saturn dictates any particular attitude towards relationships at all. I think there can be a feeling of the native being 'trapped' when Saturn is making hard aspects to his/her chart. I think sometimes, if it's a particularly harsh aspect from Saturn to personal planets, the native may be fully uncomfortable in relationships that are too personal. But it of course depends on many other factors. IP: Logged |
Starry~*
Knowflake Posts: 581
From: New York, USA
Registered: Nov 2011
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posted October 24, 2016 10:01 AM
One would assume that's the case, but not really. Cappi - would that Saturn squaring his venus and mars be an indication that he CANNOT be someone who can project saturnian values such as commitment, perseverance, to love (venus) and action (mars)? Or perhaps a conflicting aspect such as the square would mean that the two things will constantly be in conflict and therefore cause him to never commit fully? As for lying and perhaps a master manipulator, do you think that's a neptune aspect playing out in his natal? PS - how did you find out he was a masterful cheater, if you don't mind me asking? IP: Logged |
Julz87
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From: On the Rings of Saturn
Registered: Nov 2011
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posted October 24, 2016 11:18 AM
A man with venus conjunct saturn in LIBRA, masterful cheater. Serial dater and just not trustworthy at all, he lives an edgy life too, quite foolish. I don't think faithfulness is depicted by saturn venus aspects if anything this aspect makes for perseverance in aquiring $$ wealth, a like for buying expensive things that stand the test of time, prefers substance over flash in matters of 2nd (Taurus) or 7th (house). Also Saturn/Venus aspects denotes men that approach women/relationships in a very cavalier sort of way. From what I've seen soft saturn/venus aspects makes the person age beautifully. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul
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Registered: Jul 2016
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posted October 24, 2016 02:12 PM
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PixieJane
Moderator Posts: 8508
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted October 24, 2016 05:01 PM
Speaking for myself (has Venus-Saturn conjunct with sun and stellium, though I expect my 5H Sag stellium is more involved in what I'm about to share), if the relationship I'm currently in ever ends, I will never enter into another monogamous relationship. (And if this means I never enter into another romantic relationship at all, that's fine by me.) However, I am more trustworthy than most who go on and on about how important monogamy is to them. I've noticed that the more they talk about its importance, the more likely it is they cheat. This isn't to say those who choose monogamy are cheaters, but I've noticed those those who make a big deal about it are more often than not (and also suspect their partner of being just as untrustworthy, which for some reason infuriates them, and now jealousy on my partner's part instantly makes me wonder if I'm being cheated on by my jealous partner, something that didn't happen when I was younger and less experienced). IP: Logged |
bananaz
Knowflake Posts: 586
From: Orlando, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2015
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posted October 24, 2016 05:57 PM
Husband has Venus conj Saturn in Sagittarius. He's been monogomous in all of his relationships and he's only had 3 serious ones, all 3 lasting several years. My Venus is in Pisces and squares Saturn in Sag. I could never cheat on someone.IP: Logged |
florence
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posted October 24, 2016 06:11 PM
My Venus in taurus would probably succumb to physical desire & moon in sag provide some justification but I think that Venus squares Saturn does prevent it. it wants something meaningful (more positive energy) and guilt/memory/self-berating (negative) means it's not worth it. In between those states, I like the self-denial. In response to some other comments, I havent really entered many committed relationships, however, for reasons to do with those views on monogamy. In fact most 'relationships', which have not been so in an official sense, have drawn out that idea of faithfulness even more - then there's both the freedom & the constraint. Not easy to explain. Think of the partner working away, long-distance etc. IP: Logged |
Cappi112
Knowflake Posts: 638
From: New York, New York, USA
Registered: May 2015
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posted October 27, 2016 04:57 AM
@Starry, that's an interesting idea.My feeling about him is that he was very torn between responsibility and hardship in his life (he was well-off but he was raised by a family that was impoverished and also shunned in many ways by society) and wanting to be completely free and rebellious. I felt, at times, like he was half OLD man, half adolescent thug. He would randomly act out and I would feel like I was punishing him like a parent would for his behaviour, and then he would come around 100% aware of his wrongs and completely humble. That is how I would describe the Saturn in his chart. He hated having to be anything for anyone. He trapped HIMSELF, constantly, in commitments to me and other women (obviously using the term 'commitments' very loosely), because I think one half of him genuinely wanted to be that awesome, respectable guy. But there was a way more powerful influence there making him rebel and it gave me whiplash attempting two years of him. I also think the Saturn aspects made him extremely fatalistic and depressive in our relationship. We would be doing well (to my knowledge) for a month or so before he would suddenly start to sink into this place of "but can this really last? Can we actually be happy?" I should note I really blame his lying and infidelity on his Scorpio Venus in the 12th house making hard aspects to his chart, a completely conflicted Moon, and yes, I recall he definitely had some neptune going on. But I actually think his Neptune was aspecting other planets in a positive way? Can't recall. But he was a head case, that's for sure. IP: Logged |
margym0o
Knowflake Posts: 796
From: Canada
Registered: Jul 2014
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posted October 27, 2016 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Cappi112:
@Starry, that's an interesting idea.My feeling about him is that he was very torn between responsibility and hardship in his life (he was well-off but he was raised by a family that was impoverished and also shunned in many ways by society) and wanting to be completely free and rebellious. I felt, at times, like he was half OLD man, half adolescent thug. He would randomly act out and I would feel like I was punishing him like a parent would for his behaviour, and then he would come around 100% aware of his wrongs and completely humble. That is how I would describe the Saturn in his chart. He hated having to be anything for anyone. He trapped HIMSELF, constantly, in commitments to me and other women (obviously using the term 'commitments' very loosely), because I think one half of him genuinely wanted to be that awesome, respectable guy. But there was a way more powerful influence there making him rebel and it gave me whiplash attempting two years of him. I also think the Saturn aspects made him extremely fatalistic and depressive in our relationship. We would be doing well (to my knowledge) for a month or so before he would suddenly start to sink into this place of "but can this really last? Can we actually be happy?" I should note I really blame his lying and infidelity on his Scorpio Venus in the 12th house making hard aspects to his chart, a completely conflicted Moon, and yes, I recall he definitely had some neptune going on. But I actually think his Neptune was aspecting other planets in a positive way? Can't recall. But he was a head case, that's for sure.
Interesting. I can see this being true actually with a man I know. He has Mars conj. Saturn, Sun sq. Saturn and Saturn in the 7th. He definitely had his fun when he was younger, yet was/is always physically faithful when in a committed relationship. He has a very terrible and obvious wandering eye and is prone to fantasy, but would never act on it. He seems to crave that partnership, but loathes it at the same time - as you said, trapping HIMSELF instead of being trapped by the other person. He seems to forget he possesses his own free will, and will instead play the martyr to stay in a relationship for noble reasons (to "fit in" with society) instead of acting freely as he would probably like to. IP: Logged | |
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