posted October 23, 2016 07:23 PM            

I've read on sites and from others, including professional astrologers that it functions in both houses, which I kind of tend to agree with.
That the native feels that it's hidden but that is not hidden to others.

What's your thoughts?

What is your experience either if you have that in your chart or know others who do?

posted October 23, 2016 07:59 PM            

However, since my Sun is conjunct an angle, I see the traits of the next house more clearly. I would say that if a planet is a few degrees before a house that it would exhibit attributes from the next house, but even more so if it is right before an angle, as it would conjunct.

posted October 23, 2016 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I have mars less than a degree from asc. on the 12th house side.

I've read on sites and from others, including professional astrologers that it functions in both houses, ...

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Nope. With luminaries, the 1/2° disc with from Earth perspective allows for either body to be partly in one house and partly in another. I can make a mistake in rectification for a younger person in which a planet falls into the wrong house, but over time as more events take place there is a solid basis for testing it -- especially a 1st/not 1st situation.

A planet near the Asc functions upon your personality as if it is near it. If it is in the 12th house it functions from more a mental place, and in the case of Mars is tends to be more reactive the further it gets from the Asc, rather than proactive when in the 1st house(depending on masculine or feminine sign, etc).

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That the native feels that it's hidden but that is not hidden to others.

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Yes, when in the 12th house.

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I know several will want to draw fine lines in the sand and say, "12th is 12th and 1st is 1st."
I don't believe astrology to be that way.

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I do. We are working exactly with 'fine lines' in the sky. Yet, it is not so simple.

In order to draw lines anywhere, we have to know what is where. Otherwise, we should draw broad gray bands of gray area.... otherwise, what we're really saying is we are not really certain exactly where that line should be drawn. This is a formula for astrologers being able to have it both ways all the way around a chart, with various factors.

There is a big difference between being conjunct/parallel a cusp and being *in* that particular house. I've worked with countless charts that have a planet in say the 5th house, but is parallel the MC or Asc. That planet will never be 'in' the 1st or 10th houses, but its action upon the MC is unquestioned when you review the person's biography. Another example is where a planet shows as being in the 4th house of the flat wheel, but near the end conjunct the 5th widely, but is virtually exactly parallel the 5th cusp in declination.

The problem is we are still using these dark ages flat wheel charts that perpetuate a falsely framed is/isn't mentality based on two dimensions when in reality houses exist in voluminous 4D space. A planet can be nowhere near the flat wheel's boundaries for the 1st house, say if it is in the 6th. But it could still be exactly parallel the Asc/1st cusp.

So I'm both agreeing with you that planets are not trapped inside the apparent flat wheel boundaries for a house, and disagreeing that planets near a house cusp can or should be interpreted as if it were 'in' both.

"In" means in -- not out but still 'in'. A planet can act strongly upon a house cusp, but be nowhere near a place where it could be interpreted as 'in' it. This is not just semantics. The sky keeps things from being as cut-n-dried as the lines on a flat wheel chart suggest.

It is more kaleidoscopic than circular.