posted October 24, 2016 11:52 PM            

The partner of a client of mine has it and he says things like "I don't know what emotions are, I don't know how I feel, I don't feel things, I am a guy."

His mother sexually abused him bf he was six and then his father got custody of him and took care of him ever since. He is a workaholic. She has a hard time connecting to him emotionally.

It seems like a real rough aspect like maybe the native has difficulty accessing and processing their emotions, like they are hidden or out of reach so he finds solace in throwing himself at his work as that is something he can understand and control.

He used to be an alcoholic.

Idk though my partner has this aspect too, he was not sexually abused but you can say mother put her career and love life first so he felt emotionally neglected, she was absent in a manner, sending him off to boarding school, camps and away to college...father who was the nourishing one out of the two passed away when he was 13 and since he was always away from mother in some camp or boarding school ect...as an adult he cut ties with mother.

Perhaps moon square Saturn is an indication of experiencing trauma during early development involving one or both of the parents that child was not able process properly due to circumstances and age.

"Perhaps you put up protective barriers to defend vulnerable feelings from damage; you may have believed you were not loved by your parents, or you were left with just one parent through separation, divorce, or death."

Well he did not feel unconditionally loved by mother, his parents divorced and then dad died when he was 13.

posted October 25, 2016 12:22 AM            

I have to put up protective barriers around my family because of how much verbal abuse I was exposed to. Even now I still have to do it because it's still happening and the only chance of getting it to stop is to leave the house. This must've leaked to the outside world, since I've been so damaged that I put barriers around myself in order to prevent people from hurting me.

My friend, who has a Sun-Saturn conjunction exact, pointed this out and I realized that she was right. I think it all links back to the fact that I am living in an unstable home and that I am not in a good family. Sun IC conjunction probably contributes to this.

I'm trying to open up more, but I can't say that I'm a robot. I can definitely appear like a robot but I am super emotional and cry a lot. It's why I have trouble understanding my chart lol.

posted October 25, 2016 07:56 AM            

I had a hard time growing up, a.k.a abuse, etc... I don't know what kind of feelings my parents have for me. There was a few times when my father showed that he had some sort of sentimental feelings and responsibility for what he helped created (me). At the end of his life he did apologize, which I appreciated coz it did help to loosen some knots in my mind.

They did provide for me. Well, better than nothing, I suppose. In sort, I don't have that kind of "love" from my parents. But there are so many people out there. If I were to get a bit flowery about it, I'd say that love was a little seed in my heart. It was watered not by my parents, but by other people (and things, like flowers and cute animals, I', easily moved). In the end, did it matter how the seed was watered, or where the water came from? Not to me, because it bloomed anyway.

When I was very young (in my early teens) I was really broken up about my parents, but then I thought oh well this is like pursuing a dead cause, so I stopped. Saved my energy. Shifted attention elsewhere, placed my hope on other things.

Perhaps it's because I actively reach out and willingly give my affection, perhaps it's because I'm lucky, Idk. But the result is that I found people who receive, and give to me in return.

I wouldn't say that I don't have any scar at all. I care about my parents. I get a little sad when I think about them. But that sadness helps me to appreciate the ones around me more, rather than cripples me. Plus, the capricorn me know that one doesn't always get all the nice things one wants in this world lol. So yeah.

posted October 25, 2016 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
In sort, I don't have that kind of "love" from my parents. But there are so many people out there. If I were to get a bit flowery about it, I'd say that love was a little seed in my heart. It was watered not by my parents, but by other people (and things, like flowers and cute animals, I', easily moved). In the end, did it matter how the seed was watered, or where the water came from? Not to me, because it bloomed anyway.

When I was very young (in my early teens) I was really broken up about my parents, but then I thought oh well this is like pursuing a dead cause, so I stopped. Saved my energy. Shifted attention elsewhere, placed my hope on other things.

Perhaps it's because I actively reach out and willingly give my affection, perhaps it's because I'm lucky, Idk. But the result is that I found people who receive, and give to me in return.

I wouldn't say that I don't have any scar at all. I care about my parents. I get a little sad when I think about them. But that sadness helps me to appreciate the ones around me more, rather than cripples me. Plus, the capricorn me know that one doesn't always get all the nice things one wants in this world lol. So yeah.

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This is really moving Muddy12, you have a beautiful soul and you have such a way with words; its like your soul is expressed in your speech.

posted October 25, 2016 09:56 PM            

Probably the most common feeling among those with this aspect -- once their upbringing is over -- is they didn't feel like they ever got enough love. It tends to drive some forward into ambitions to prove themselves, but that will not satisfy emotionally based needs that felt blocked or neglected. What the person is trying to do with attempts to prove themselves is built a layer of self-worth, but that outer false layer is generally an ego protection for someone who feels neglected and inadequate inside.

But people respond differently to these influences. And nothing in a person's birth chart forces their parents to behave with coldness or neglect.

It is also good for those who have this aspect to be around warm people and literally keep the body warm from the inside. Eat hot meals, spice them up, take Ginger or Cayenne -- at least when you can tell you need it. There is a tendency to go cold inside and slide into depression. Warming herbs and good company can help prevent that.

posted October 25, 2016 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't have the aspect personally, but I have observed those with it that I have known. By itself it is not indicative of trauma, but challenges with one or both parents (coldness, distance, or resistance, parents with control issues).

Probably the most common feeling among those with this aspect -- once their upbringing is over -- is they didn't feel like they ever got enough love. It tends to drive some forward into ambitions to prove themselves, but that will not satisfy emotionally based needs that felt blocked or neglected. What the person is trying to do with attempts to prove themselves is built a layer of self-worth, but that outer false layer is generally an ego protection for someone who feels neglected and inadequate inside.

But people respond differently to these influences. And nothing in a person's birth chart forces their parents to behave with coldness or neglect.

It is also good for those who have this aspect to be around warm people and literally keep the body warm from the inside. Eat hot meals, spice them up, take Ginger or Cayenne -- at least when you can tell you need it. There is a tendency to go cold inside and slide into depression. Warming herbs and good company can help prevent that.

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Wonderful interpretation and feedback. Thanks a lot!

posted October 25, 2016 11:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
I don't have the aspect personally, but I have observed those with it that I have known. By itself it is not indicative of trauma, but challenges with one or both parents (coldness, distance, or resistance, parents with control issues).

Probably the most common feeling among those with this aspect -- once their upbringing is over -- is they didn't feel like they ever got enough love. It tends to drive some forward into ambitions to prove themselves, but that will not satisfy emotionally based needs that felt blocked or neglected. What the person is trying to do with attempts to prove themselves is built a layer of self-worth, but that outer false layer is generally an ego protection for someone who feels neglected and inadequate inside.

But people respond differently to these influences. And nothing in a person's birth chart forces their parents to behave with coldness or neglect.

It is also good for those who have this aspect to be around warm people and literally keep the body warm from the inside. Eat hot meals, spice them up, take Ginger or Cayenne -- at least when you can tell you need it. There is a tendency to go cold inside and slide into depression. Warming herbs and good company can help prevent that.

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posted October 25, 2016 11:37 PM            

I have Scorpio Moon on top of having Moon square Saturn. So all my life I've been suppressing my emotions, trying to appear to be "strong", "mature" and "together"

I think that POVERTY/LACK OF MONEY is thing you may want to focus on. Your client's dad was a workaholic so maybe he wasn't given much attention because his father was always working/didn't have enough money.

Moon square Saturn can also symbolize poverty, lack of money/ those types of things. I know a lot of my emotional issues stems from growing up poor and having a fear of poverty.

I think Moon square Saturn is not necessarily an inability to express emotion or have emotion reactions (though there is coldness/reluctance to go there).

posted October 26, 2016 12:12 AM            

Now the husband of my client has moon in Aquarius square Saturn, he does not have his moon in Scorpio like you or in cancer like my husband so that combo of having it in Aquarius an aloof air sign and it squaring saturn does make him feel like emotions are foreign to him.

My parents are far from abusive and I have the sesquisquare but my mom is a workaholic and I did not feel fully accepted by her growing up and my dad for a while was away a lot bc we moved to the US but his business was in the Caribbean. Best case scenario this aspect can indicate absent parent, workaholic parent, emotionally distant parent ect.....

posted October 26, 2016 06:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Eat hot meals, spice them up, take Ginger or Cayenne -- at least when you can tell you need it. There is a tendency to go cold inside and slide into depression. Warming herbs and good company can help prevent that.

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# Totally unrelated as I don't have this aspect either. But I had stomach ailments just last week that were soothed and even went away using Ginger tea and Cayenne pepper in food.

This ailment just came out of "nowhere" and it bugged the hell out of me because I couldn't think what brought it on at all.

posted October 27, 2016 12:57 AM            

I never said that you said Moon square Saturn equals abuse. I was just repeating what I had previously written in response to Kannon McAfee's response. If you read my comment to him (which is directly before my response to you) you would see that I said "SO TRUE. I have this aspect and I was never abused." to Kannon before I responded directly to your thread question.

I just directed my response to you because I am answering your thread question while providing my own perspective on what others previously said.

posted October 27, 2016 09:28 AM            

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@hypatia238:

I never said that you said Moon square Saturn equals abuse. I was just repeating what I had previously written in response to Kannon McAfee's response. If you read my comment to him (which is directly before my response to you) you would see that I said "SO TRUE. I have this aspect and I was never abused." to Kannon before I responded directly to your thread question.

I just directed my response to you because I am answering your thread question while providing my own perspective on what others previously said.

I hope you understand what I'm saying now.

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posted October 27, 2016 11:20 PM            

Moon = maternal principle; Saturn = paternal principle. So parental, early life upbringing, balancing needs (Moon) with expectations (Saturn).

Moon relates to the subjective internal which cannot be ignored, but which cannot be taken as complete in earlier stages of development. Our needs and feelings change as we mature. Saturn relates to a more objective measure generally placed upon us from outside and rooted in the expectations of parents/society. Our interface with society cannot be ignored either, but if we are mature enough we can do it on our own terms.

So meeting in the middle, we see that one can take the energy dynamic of Moon square Saturn and intentionally construct a plan with appropriate limits and boundaries which gives you the space to feel and to meet your needs, yet allows you to develop your own expectations for your development and still be capable of meeting others halfway.

In a sense the person has to learn to put themselves first in order to meet their needs, yet may find they don't understand their own needs until they have experienced others' needs as a responsible party (to parents or children especially).

posted October 28, 2016 02:25 AM            

I would say self-awareness goes a long way. Depression (not always) maybe a sign of self-awareness & self-actualization. Which can be a good thing.

Moon square Saturn makes me tough on myself and sensitive to the expectations of others and society. Even so, the kinder I am to myself and the more I focus on my needs/wants the better I feel. This works for non- Moon-Saturn people too. But especially for Moon-Saturn peoples.

Moon square Saturn is not a bad or horrible placement. It does not cause abuse or trauma/drama/pain/poverty. It may be an indicator/symbolizes these things but it's not set in stone.

It's really about responsibility and being responsible with emotions. Probably too responsible.

Everyone is different, some detach, some stuff it down/ignore it, some pretend not to feel it. All ways to control and be responsible (mature) with emotions.

When these emotions can't be control, stuff down, or ignored, I feel Moon-Saturn people feel lost & helpless (depression). Even so, it's an opportunity for reflection and strength.

posted October 28, 2016 03:38 AM            

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Pretending not to feel emotions, stuffing it down or ignoring emotions are all immature ways of dealing with emotions which lead to more problems hence the square and why is a challenging aspect that with self awareness and willingness can be overcomed.

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True and I agree but you got to keep in mind that to be mature and wise you gotta start somewhere (aka immature and foolish). These things are necessary steps towards self-awareness.

Also those things I described above is not exclusive to just Moon-Saturn people. I'm sure that people with all kinds of placements (including those with trines/sextiles) have done these things before.

posted October 28, 2016 09:18 AM            

My daughter has this placement, and I am determined to shower her with so much love and affection that she might want a little less of it

posted October 28, 2016 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
Ugh. I hate all these "cold parent" responses.

My daughter has this placement, and I am determined to shower her with so much love and affection that she might want a little less of it

I have Sun square Saturn, and I know it's not the same as the moon, but for me it's an issue with self-confidence. Strangely enough, my daughter has Sun trine Saturn. Go figure.

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Well I have the sesquisquare and I truly have excellent parents in spite of comments made here about my mom so take the "cold" comments with a grain of salt and I liked that my mom was a workaholic in my case and admired her a lot for it and she still managed to feel very present in my life perhaps bc of the square to Neptune and Moon in Pisces bit.

I was worried people with kids with this placement will read this thread and get their hearts broken. Just do the best that you can, that is all you can do as a parent, no parent is perfect, it's an imperfect world and we are all humans.

posted October 28, 2016 12:28 PM            

I've noticed that I try to stuff my emotions away from people when I am in an emotional state. I "shut down" basically and hide my emotions so that people don't suspect anything. I also have serious trouble actually trying to express my emotions; it's like somehow physically impossible to speak about my emotional context in a clear, direct manner. I also have these moments where I want to tell someone about my issues, and then when I get the chance to I suddenly don't feel comfortable in doing so. It's like it has to be forced out somehow.

Does that resonate somewhat?

posted October 28, 2016 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
∆ Electro does your moon square your AC in Virgo??

I would think that moon conjunct MC will make it so people can easily see your emotions in your face and body language but perhaps your moon in gemini squaring AC in Virgo could have the effect of you finding it challenging to verbalize how you feel and get it all out in front of others even though they can visibly see something is clearly wrong.

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That is exactly how it is, and yes, with the time I managed to settle on, it does square my ascendant. It makes it hard for me to verbalize my feelings even though people can tell there's something wrong. My friend with a Libra Ascendant and Moon in Libra picks up on this easily. I also have Saturn parallel ascendant now, so that probably also contributes somehow.

Since my Moon is opposite Pluto, my Ascendant also squares Pluto and forms a T-Square. This probably only adds to the tension.

posted October 28, 2016 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Also Electro the abuse at home you experience can be explained by your pluto in the 4th and since you have moon in gemini it makes sense the abuse you experience from your mother will be verbal.

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Strangely enough though, it was my father who was more verbally abusive, not my mom. She was even in the blast-range for his abuse at times, but then again, she has Pisces Venus.

I also have Chiron on the IC now, so that probably contributes to it quite a lot.

posted October 28, 2016 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Electro DGX:
Strangely enough though, it was my father who was more verbally abusive, not my mom. She was even in the blast-range for his abuse at times, but then again, she has Pisces Venus.

I also have Chiron on the IC now, so that probably contributes to it quite a lot.

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