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PiscesCancerTaurus
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posted October 26, 2016 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PiscesCancerTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a
Pisces Rising 0 degrees
Cancer Sun 4 degrees
Taurus Moon 8 degrees
Cancer Mercury 27 degrees
Cancer Venus 8 degrees
Taurus Mars 8 degrees

On paper you would think that I would get along with Pisces individuals but I can't stand them. I don't get it.

I'm in NO WAY saying there is anything wrong with Pisces people, you are who you are and you are lovable people. But the passive behavior drives me up a wall.

All the Pisces I have ever met can never stand up for themselves or anyone else even when they should. They just remind of a "yes" man. The ones I know also can never seem to make a decision and they are really whiney.

Could it just be my moon conjunct mars that makes me so aggressive that passive people bother me? I really want to understand this because I don't want to be mean to them, I want to understand them so I know how to work with them better.

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PixieJane
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posted October 26, 2016 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strange. I knew a Pisces who went from criminal to cop, and was not passive. I knew of another who was a professional gambler who got into fights and also beat up his wife and children when they didn't do as he said (though he sounded bitter prone to whining, but in a scary way). And we've got a Pisces man (I think with many other Pisces placements) here on LL (Lei_Kuei) who strikes me as downright Uranian in many of his posts, and certainly no yes-man (if anything, I think he takes devilish delight in being contrary at times, though he's not mean about it).

I did know one Pisces sun who was pretty passive (I felt protective of him, like a little brother, though he also pretty much did what I said like a little brother, too), but he was a lot of fun all the same. He had no problem with making decisions and wasn't a chronic whiner, but he wasn't one to stand up for himself or others, either. Though rather than capitulate he'd try to tune out anyone who made life difficult for him (which seems more like Pisces moon behavior to me, a very different animal to me from Pisces sun), but otherwise went with the flow (and followed your lead) if he liked you. He's the only Pisces sun I know of like that.

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Randall
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posted October 30, 2016 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think they often get misconstrued as passive, because they are humanitarian.

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Faith
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posted October 30, 2016 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When you see how everything is interconnected, and all actions tug at the "web" a certain way, sometimes you see how non-doing and letting-things-be is actually the most beneficial position for all parties involved.

Passivity can be difficult, non-resistance can take a lot of effort and discernment and even be painful. Pisces is the "trashcan of the zodiac" where all energies collide; sometimes there is no right answer and no way to achieve peace. And others may not really care if there is no peace. But Pisces aims for it, and fails continually throughout its life, because it's unattainable.

That's one reason they complain. Even their best efforts are never enough, not for them and not for others.

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BeholdAstarte
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posted October 30, 2016 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PiscesCancerTaurus:
I am a
Pisces Rising 0 degrees
Cancer Sun 4 degrees
Taurus Moon 8 degrees
Cancer Mercury 27 degrees
Cancer Venus 8 degrees
Taurus Mars 8 degrees

On paper you would think that I would get along with Pisces individuals but I can't stand them. I don't get it.

I'm in NO WAY saying there is anything wrong with Pisces people, you are who you are and you are lovable people. But the passive behavior drives me up a wall.

All the Pisces I have ever met can never stand up for themselves or anyone else even when they should. They just remind of a "yes" man. The ones I know also can never seem to make a decision and they are really whiney.

Could it just be my moon conjunct mars that makes me so aggressive that passive people bother me? I really want to understand this because I don't want to be mean to them, I want to understand them so I know how to work with them better.



I can relate to what your saying, I also have a Mars conjunction to my sun (libra) and my rising is in Taurus opposing Venus/Pluto conj on my DC.

I've had quit a few close relationships with Pisces moon, and heavily Pisces influenced/Neptune folk and that passivity or "weakness" your mentioning.. Or it comes across as weak to me.. Is off putting for me as well. I feel like my strong Mars/Pluto makes me very upfront and rather fearless and ruthless intellectually, which can make me feel like I'm trampling the poor Pisces/neptuniuns verbally when I'm not trying to. I have a no-nonsense way of thinking and have a hard time with the self pitying and delusional qualities of Pisces. I want truth and even if it's unintentional, the lies Pisces/Neptune can convince themselves of are almost offensive to me, I say this from a common theme in arguments, where the Pisces person will do something, but then deny they ever did it and make up a different scenario, to try to convince themselves and me of something better in their eyes instead of accepting the harsh truth of a situation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm strongly attracted to the sign/planet but that deceptive and passive sign doesn't mix well with my stronger planet influences at times.

I've also met very agressive and wild/upfront Pisces, but they had Aries/or Scorpio/Pluto influence which will strengthen any chart and depending on the persons own conscious level is how it manifests good or bad more than anything because I've met so many different Pisces folk, I love them as friends, the ones with fire placement and cap/libra influence seem to have been my friends the longest, relationship wise it doesn't seem to work out as well.

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Kannon McAfee
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posted October 30, 2016 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PiscesCancerTaurus:
Could it just be my moon conjunct mars that makes me so aggressive that passive people bother me?

Yes. If you are really clear about how you feel about things and act on it decisively, it can be hard to be understanding with others who are passive, or 'yes' men.

It is also quite likely your Asc is not actually in Pisces since the time of record you have indicates a 'cuspy' 0°. Most of these cases turn out to have the Asc in the previous sign. Read about Aquarius rising and see what you think ...

http://kannonmcafee.wordpress.com/rising-signs-2/#aquarius

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hannaramaa
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posted October 30, 2016 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a Scorpio with Sun, Mercury and Pluto in the 12th house and she DEF. reminds me of a stereotypical Pisces description. She's a people pleaser to the T and vague, and passive. I'm a triple Aries with a Taurus moon so I feel your pain!

@Faith - so in response to yours, are you saying it's not that Pisces don't have opinions or feel definitive towards some things but they're simply choosing the path of least resistance?

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Faith
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posted October 31, 2016 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not speaking for all Pisces or excusing all Pisces behavior. Sometimes everyone is lazy, passive, etc and a pain in the neck.

But what I want to show is, sometimes Pisces is on a path of great resistance, it just doesn't look like that to others.

Imagine a Pisces befriending a troublesome worker in a business for the sake of other coworkers. The Pisces wants to keep this person contained so they don't do more damage, for everyone's sake. They may not want to even say, "That person is a trouble maker" and have a conversation about it. They just see a problem and work on fixing it because they know it will serve the greater good.

Meanwhile people might observe that the Pisces has befriended an annoying person, take it out on the Pisces when the coworker messes up ("YOUR friend is doing this"), and maybe call the Pisces a doormat or make suggestions: "Why don't you tell them this?"

It's because things are not what they appear to be, which prevents the Pisces from doing what you think they should do.

In the end, nobody credits the Pisces for preventing the harm. They didn't even foresee the potential harm to begin with. Pisces just did what they thought they had to do.

I'm basically describing many scenes from my Pisces best friend's life, rolled up into one fictional scenario.

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hannaramaa
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posted October 31, 2016 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gotcha! I Was a bit sleepy when i posted last night but thanks for explaining it.

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Faith
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posted October 31, 2016 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think my two answers above don't exactly match.

Non-resistance can be, just letting things alone. But there is resistance against the urge to do all the various things that you eventually deem inferior options.

In my office example, the Pisces resists the urge to defend and expose their choices to redeem themselves. Instead, they let the criticism happen, which is non-resistance.

I guess most choices are a combination of resistance and non-resistance. Never really thought about it before.

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polkadotstars
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posted October 31, 2016 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polkadotstars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm.. I'd like to weigh in.

I'm a Pisces sun, moon, and Mercury conjunct. My boyfriend is a Pisces. And I have many Pisces friends. I don't really consider us "passive" but more just wanting to get along with everyone.

For instance, last week I really wanted soup for lunch and I asked my coworker if she wanted to go. She said she could go for Pho or sushi. I was in the mood for just a traditional tomato soup and grilled cheese, but she really wanted Pho and while I was a little disappointed, but overall I didn't mind, so I said "sure let's go!". I'm not going to put my foot down on little situations like these, she was happy, and we both got to eat good food. There will always be grilled cheese and tomato soup somewhere else I imagine my other Pisces friends would do the exact same. If that's being passive then so be it.

Now if I feel like I am being taken advantage of, or if I don't like how someone is treating me, or if I really adamantly disagree with something, I will stick up for myself. I will also stand up for others who are being hurt or taken advantage of. I have an Aries Mars and I don't back down from challenges if needed. But that is only if needed, and this side rarely comes out.

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