posted October 29, 2016 05:40 AM            

and the moon is 40+ times stronger than jupiter,

the sun itself is possibly a million times stronger than the path it leaves, such as the daily/yearly path. since it would be a very subtle trail compared to the actual sun which is leaving the trail, that means the influence of the bodies/aspects is much much more powerful than the influence of the signs.

posted October 29, 2016 11:52 AM            

I disagree completely with your assessment of the strength of the planets (and I noticed God isn't the one who provided that information.)

On a side note: you actually have a strong grasp on some things, so I don't know why you spend half your time building credibility and the other half sabotaging it saying things that sound wacko. I guess you just like it this way. But I think you actually do not. Maybe just your Scorpio moon posturing to protect itself?

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Checking astro for the 0° declination is tedious and you didn't say which crossing is applicable: the last one before birth, or the first one afterwards?

My moon's at 0°31'S declination. Three hours after I was born it crossed the equator. Assuming my birth time is correct, that gives me a 13° Virgo ASC in declination-draconic, with Venus-Neptune (you said they're conjunct right? Yeah? You're sure?) on the IC.

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posted October 29, 2016 12:54 PM            

considering the size of pluto compared to the sun, and how we feel both, 200 times stronger than another object is actually not as insane as you might think. the sun is millions of times more massive than pluto, yet we feel both.

all i know is the moon is a fair bit more powerful than jupiter. not just by a little bit. and the sun is much more powerful than that.

i use primary directions.

anyway yes i can see why you are a special case who would need to inquire about the time of the crossing because your moon was near the equator. it wont really change by much each time it crosses it moves back around 20 minutes each month. but i'd check the last time it crossed before you were born and then the time it crossed again after.

and you said it was at the draconic IC? that means the place of lowest descent from the equator? thats where your venus netptune is? thats pretty significant im sure.

Edit: oh i said check again after. cross that out. haha. i dont believe in the "soon to be happening" energy. i'd check both times it went below and above the equator before you were born.

i believe that each time it crosses, it "imprints" a kind of energy

posted October 29, 2016 01:18 PM            

and this new one, i was excited that i could use my mind to try to see if it resonated if i had other planet placements that i didnt know about. too bad they are all the same as the signs they are in. same goes with the other 3 zodiacs, all my planets line up in the same houses.

i could have used my mind to see how powerful draconic really is.

posted October 29, 2016 02:33 PM            

which would actually mark when the sun's path goes above the ecliptic and then goes back below, which is very similar to how the moon and thus it's path does

to find out the house borders is easy. you count how many degrees above/below aries or libra point your sun is. and then you find the mirror aspect.

if your sun was 5 degrees pisces. then that is 25 degrees above aries start. then you find 25 degrees above libra start. that is where the sun's path crosses below.

this is because the sun travels at the same place on the equator. each day it rises it's path is going to be equidistant from the equator the whole day.

posted October 29, 2016 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Please give God my kindest regards, the next time you two chat.

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posted October 29, 2016 02:38 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:

if your sun was 5 degrees pisces. then that is 25 degrees above aries start. then you find 25 degrees above libra start. that is where the sun's path crosses below.

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posted October 29, 2016 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
faith you dont think the sun and moon are stronger than the planets? look at ceridwens moon. and that your both in my thread. her moon/my sun conjunct exact.

your moon is 17 my sun is 17 and moon is 18 in some signs

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I never said that.

I disagree with

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the sun is in my guess 200x stronger than the moon astrologically based off my progression i had
and the moon is 40+ times stronger than jupiter,

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^ that.

posted October 29, 2016 03:05 PM            

Here is the article

posted October 29, 2016 03:27 PM            

so it was 1) more minor because it was jsut 1 house and
2) more minor because it was a lesser body.

so i based my first claim off of those 2 progressions. and then changed it after i realized.

posted October 29, 2016 03:52 PM            

so do we all agree that mass and distance have something to do with the effect.

do we all agree there is some kind of "forces" astrologically, which have a cause and effect.

pluto is 150 million times less massive than the sun and 30x further away.

so either there is a cap maximum limit like 100 that we can be influenced by and so the sun has to idiotically theorallized stop at 100 and then jupiter might by itself be like 70.

or there is no cap and we have to use bigger numbers to know

even chiron is much much smaller than pluto. and it left an observable trait

for chiron to be compared to something like saturn which is probably a million times more massive. i do not see any kind of logic in reality that would permit these 2 objects to be even nearly close to as powerful in astrological strength.

that is something that would defy all order. assuming that there are actual forces for the cause of astrology.

posted October 29, 2016 04:35 PM            

The question is, how are you measuring strength? Is there a unit of strength? Or is there some characteristic you're thinking about? (i.e. are you talking about the emotional impact a certain planet has on you, or the physical, or the psychic? )

We could have ten different "right" answers.. Some people might be conservative in their estimates, some may be more extravagant, some might not fully understand the "impact" something has had on them. ETC.. Many ways to look at it.

P.S. Yeah I completely agree that everything in the universe has math in some way or other - which is precisely why I was disagreeing with the use of the numbers, since it's not that straightforward a math to take random guesses at.
P.P.S. About the size comparisons - yep, we can compare their sizes, the extent of their gravitational pull, their mass, etc - and this can play into how big of an astrological "force" they are.. If you look up threads on the "minor" aspects, I've raised a similar point, about how closeness would make them (in the literal sense) exert more force on each other.

posted October 29, 2016 04:37 PM            

it was so small.

after i eventually learned more. i looked back to the time i felt the biggest shift. that is what i base my comparison off of.

like i said. i used as big of a number as 200 because it likely changed 2 signs at once. and the moon i was comparing off of that shift to the moons shift which would have been 1 sign change which wouldn't have been as significant.

posted October 29, 2016 04:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
P.P.S. About the size comparisons - yep, we can compare their sizes, the extent of their gravitational pull, their mass, etc - and this can play into how big of an astrological "force" they are.. If you look up threads on the "minor" aspects, I've raised a similar point, about how closeness would make them (in the literal sense) exert more force on each other.

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yes sometimes mercury can be twice as close when its on our side of the sun.. i thought about this when i first learned astrology, how some people are weaker in mercury, some are stronger.. i even looked it up on youtube to see and some indian man made the exact point that some people have "Very weak" mercurial energy. hahaha. after comparing to stuff like chiron and pluto, i think no matter where mercury is its going to be strong. but some people yeah will definitely get hit stronger.

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Maybe we could invent a new unit. Like Newton is the unit of force, we could have a "Lind" as a unit of "Astro force". Definition: the amount influence any heavenly body has w.r.to the Sun.
Derived by: ~~not sure~~
^Here's where we have to be careful, when we combine the physical & literal with the esoteric. Don't jump, mi amigo.

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posted October 29, 2016 04:50 PM            

i think using my sun conjunct planet thread would be a good guid to guestimate

just curious did any of ^^^ those conjunctions make you feel best or did you like the expression a lot? or just make you feel happy to see them? and are there any indicators in your chart for why you might have felt this?

posted October 29, 2016 05:01 PM            

Proposed method for testing your theory:

1. Define in words and then mathematical terms.
2. You can stick that up for people to see.
3. Take in suggestions, additions, deletions - update your definition & go back to step 2. If no more suggestions, and all (or clear majority) in agreement, proceed to step 3.
3. When we get a consensus on what Astrological "strength" means and how to measure it, propose a formula. Like so:

4. Put that up for discussion & follow same procedure as steps 2 & 3.
5. Once we've settled on a formula, devise a test plan.
6. Carry out test plan with available subjects on Lindaland.
7. If formula devised in step #5 holds true - voila, you have your Astro unit for Strength of a planet.
If not, revise the formula and go back to step #4.
8. Consider the project closed if all (or a clear majority) have agreed that the proof holds up and so does the formula.
9. Extend it to include other heavenly bodies besides planets, such as centaurs, dwarf planets, asteroids, etc.