posted November 05, 2016 04:47 AM            

So here are my thoughts based on the fact that I strongly feel my natal chart is wrong. I have always used the standard setting on Astro, accepted all the interps of those, and never played around with house systems. I want to highlight the fact that I have MADE interps *me*, much like ”think therefore I am” without ever really stopping to think how I really am or how I have been/acted. I have seen Sun in 11H and made that position me.

My natal chart is (perhaps):

Virgo Asc, Mars 12H
Cancer Sun, Mercury, Venus 11H
Cap Moon 5H
Leo Saturn 11H
Taurus Jupiter 10H
Scorpio Uranus, NN 3H,
Scorpio IC
Libra Pluto 2H

I can make a case for all of the above where signs, of course, being correct except for the Asc that may or may not be in Leo.

I want to start describing who I really am as a person without any exaggerations. This will date back from age 5.

-Upon first meeting me you will look ”into the Sun”. I shine. I smile. I am goofy. I radiate. I want to be noticed without actually making a big fuss about it. I walk like a lion and I behave like a lion. I even sleep like lions do. I have a protruding chest and a slight arch to my back. I do NOT have typical Virgo Asc features. When I was little I loved being on stage UNTIL the day my mother told me ”don’t ever think you will become better than anyone else”. From that day on I went into ”hiding” and it severly crippled my sense of self-worth. Took me nearly 30 years to overcome that..I feel Leo Asc + Leo Saturn describes me very well! I am a very warm human. I can pick out other Leos from a group while blindfolded. We are like magnets.

-I have always ”hidden” my persona, my thoughts, my beauty. You can look at me and wonder what I am thinking about and it will drive you absolutely mad. I had periods, still do to some extent, where I go absolutely silent. You can ask me questions, prod and pry, but it will be futile attempts because I have left the building and gone for a ”swim”. I can spend HOURS sitting by ocean, staring into nothingness. There is NO ONE that really knows me and even if they wanted to, I wouldn’t even know where to begin, or how. This, to me, describes a lot of action in the 12H. Changing systems into WHOLE, I have Cancer Sun, Mercury, Venus 12H and this, I understand!! I have a very hard time being surrounded by people too long because I become them. They take over me and I can no longer differentiate between me and them. It becomes very blurry. I have exceptional dreams. Vivid dreams. I can leave my body. I think in other dimensions! I can better explain myself in written words but not spoken.

-Work makes me comfortable. Work makes me happy. Details in work make me excited. Excelling at work makes me thrive as a human. I pride myself in my work. I get physically ill if I don’t work and I get physically ill because I work too much. I have worked since I was 12. This is my core-self! I climb walls if I don’t work! I am also a deep worrier and it has caused me quite many physical ailments that probably stem from mental issues. Cap Moon 6H seems much more fitting that Cap Moon 5H here.

-Drugs, sex and alcohol? It WAS my middle name. The entire time tPluto was in Sag I was OFF THE CHARTS. I crossed all boundaries and I have done some really (!) bad and weird things. I idolized men I should have stayed clear of. I slept with these men. I traveled the world for men. Many men. And sacrificed myself for these men. I suffered for these men. And they all took advantage of me. When tPluto entered Capricorn things changed dramatically. I got ill. Had mental issues. Went to ER with SEVERE panic attacks. My entire body shut down, as did my brain.
To me this would make sense if I had a Sag 5H with Neptune. I also had a miscarriage very young. It was with my first boyfriend and actually one of the first times I had sex. This does seem to apply to Neptune 5H Sag and not quite Cap Moon 5H.

-I am a ”detective”. There will be no stones left unturned. I am paranoid with language and FEEL words. They literally vibrate through me! I can see and feel words in a sms and know if person is lying or hiding something. Your words, expressions, thoughts and body language cannot, and will not, escape me. People fear me because they know they can’t hide. Only someone very honest and open with their dark sides will like and accept me. I hate, cannot explain the magnitude of my hatred for this, superficiality!!! If I sense it exists, I will shut it done. And there will be uncomfortable silence. I can obsessively research a subject for days and weeks. I embody characteristics of Mercury sq Pluto as well, but feel that this aspect is not to my core. It’s more on the surface. Pluto in 3H on the other hand is me.

-I had the wackiest upbringing. Just strangeness. My Scorpio mother was…..well, not all there. She was an alcoholic. She was abused by her ex husband (not my father). They had a son that my mother left behind. I have never met him.
We moved a lot. And I have moved my entire life. Just erratic home environment. Uranus in 4H fits.

My natal chart wants me to have Mars 12H but it doesn’t fit. My anger is not hidden. I have NEVER had issues with my Mars! My Mars is brutal.

Looking at my chart using Whole system it comes down to this:

Leo Asc
Cancer Sun, Mercury, Venus 12H
Capricorn Moon 6H
Virgo mars 2H
Leo Saturn 1H
Taurus Jupiter 10H
Scorpio NN 4H

And there it is: Nodes in 4H/10H! Cancer/Cap! THIS I can get!! I understand that pendulum. I understand the struggle between family and work. I understand why this would drive my soul absolutely mad since I would have Cap Moon 6H that completely goes against NN 4H

If you all want to call me crazy or saying that I am grasping for straws, so be it. I feel content with my findings since I have never really felt like my natal chart has been me. I have just accepted it because that’s what’s been available to me.

posted November 05, 2016 11:57 AM            

i have hundreds of pictures showing that its very likely, that the time you exit the womb and become concious, is when your birth chart begins.

anyway. your energies at birth, lets just assume for a sec that that is your chart that you've been living- the energies of the planets, their positions, sign energies, those energies are the one's you've been encompassing your entire life, which were deeply engrained into your mind.

they are for life. it's reflected in my many pictures, that the energies of the first minute, not 5 minutes (which would = 1 degree) but the first minute, maybe less, maybe 20 seconds more, is basically the energies you'll have for your entire life.

anyway. the energies that were there, that is who you are. and as you look at a natal chart. you cant "see" energy. energy is very complex, it is something you can feel. it's true that neptunians have great vivid imaginations. its true that venus is a planet of "feeling good" and "beauty" and "harmonious relations with the outer reality". these things are true. and when you read words of "venus square mars"

what does it really mean? it's just an angle. and its two different energies at that angle within you.

that's why we have thousands of years of interpretations of people who had the aspect, or observe many people with the same aspect, so we get results of what this aspect is.

Still- even so. Many people with their astrological websites spit out a bit of information from what they've learned (which is all they can do) but they also add their own insights and interpretations.

Words will mostly fall short of actually understanding your energy. Especially when there is 9 trillion infinite things to each complex chart.

Especially when im discovering new things all the time that no one even knew about.

if you want to go along to know what im refering to just now, then please play this game. out of each pair of 2 people, which one out of the two looks more leonine? tell me your answer, and if you get them all right, that is hinting that i'm probably correct, there is more to the chart than the ecliptic zodiac. it's more complex. one of the people in each pair should be more leo. but for the last one, i switched it up. for F one of them should be more earth. so when you get there, ask yourself- when you look into their eyes and personality, which one really seems more stable, physical, and grounded. but for the ones before that, which is more leo. let me know

if you get them all what i'd expect, it shows astrology is more than what you think.

for example im an aquarius. i always thought aries was the best sign. if my theories are right, i'm actually 3x more an aries than an aquarius.

and because of this new information i'm potentially right about, then no online interpreation is going to let me know that i'm much more arian than aquarian. all online website will say instead i'm an aquarius with "powerful presence" (first house). that's all they can say.

posted November 05, 2016 09:52 PM            

I am delighted to read your findings and self-description in your own words. You are indeed a complex person who defies reductionist summaries. Fire overflowing!

It is sad that you gave up something you were (and still are) so clearly made for. I have a similar memory when I was around that age in which something my mom said cut me hard and affected me for a very long time (I also have Moon in Capricorn as you may recall). I hope you return to your creative efforts, especially drama, since it was a joyful first instinct.

There is no substitute for expressing our creative power.

The real self-knowledge you possess is yours and overrides anyone's opinion or presumptions about what you 'should' be, including common astrology practice about what you 'should' be. I can see that you'll never let anyone else substitute their judgment for your self-knowledge. That is more important than astrology.

Based on what I have read from you here over the last few years, I'm pretty sure that if you set your chart for about 27° Leo you will find the natal and transits to it fall into place. That chart has a MC of about 10 Taurus, which becomes the stem of a yod with Pluto and Neptune. This seems quite descriptive of what you've experienced with parentage and work.

This chart practically screams drama! acting! Creative Force!

posted November 06, 2016 02:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
charlie, thank you for sharing!

I am delighted to read your findings and self-description in your own words. You are indeed a complex person who defies reductionist summaries. Fire overflowing!

It is sad that you gave up something you were (and still are) so clearly made for. I have a similar memory when I was around that age in which something my mom said cut me hard and affected me for the rest of my life (I also have Moon in Capricorn as you may recall). I hope you return to your creative efforts, especially drama, since it was a joyful first instinct.

There is no substitute for expressing our creative power.

The real self-knowledge you possess is yours and overrides anyone's opinion or presumptions about what you 'should' be, including common astrology practice about what you 'should' be. I can see that you'll never let anyone else substitute their judgment for your self-knowledge. That is more important than astrology.

Based on what I have read from you here over the last few years, I'm pretty sure that if you set your chart for about 27° Leo you will find the natal and transits to it fall into place. That chart has a MC of about 10 Taurus, which becomes the stem of a yod with Pluto and Neptune. This seems quite descriptive of what you've experienced with parentage and work.

This chart practically screams drama! acting! Creative Force!

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Thank you, Kannon, for understanding me! I was actually surprised by your response since I know you tell it like it is and is knowledgeable about it. Thought perhaps you'd tell me to "take a vacation"

Anyway, I feel relieved. Now I know why I've latched on to aspects and not signs in houses. I've seen "cap moon sq pluto" and thought "yeah, that's me" but the cap moon in 5H have been off so I've distanced myself from it. Same with Uranus trine Mercury. Aspect fit like a T but Uranus in 3H? Mercury in 11H? Not so much.

posted November 06, 2016 05:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Agreed

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Hi Kannon!

A couple quick questions - I noticed an option for "whole signs 1 = Aries" on Astro.com, what would that be used for? Having that, nobody would have to wonder what house their planets were in.

Secondly, I was looking over your chart rectification page and wondered what qualified as a "significant life event" at 18? Nothing extreme happened to me then but I did move to a new chapter in life and didn't know if I needed to include it.

posted November 06, 2016 07:52 PM            

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