posted November 16, 2016 07:14 AM            

This subject has so many more possible choices. I will do several articles on this, if you would like. It seems as if every person has pain. However, some people do have a greater dose. The more painful aspects one has, the more pain.

1. Retrograde Chiron
The native with retrograde Chiron will have had to recycle” pain. By recycle, I mean play it over and over again before one can, hopefully, discharge it, to some degree. The nature of the Retrograde planet is a recycling. I liken it to going into a maze and going around and around until one can, hopefully, find a door out. One could, also, think of going round and round on a carousel.
I have this aspect and do feel as if pain has done the wash and spin cycle, a time or two.

2 Dejanira (157)Conjunct the Moon

This is the single most difficult aspect in the chart, in my opinion.The closer the aspect, the more painful. I have, always, seen severe abuse with this aspect, usually sexual abuse. The personality seems to fragment, as well. Very, very sad. Again, remember how important the orb is. With an asteroid, the widest orb I would accept is 3 degrees and the trait would be more ambient, as well.

3. Uranus Square Mercury
The mind attacks the person badly. Each person has a mind that attacks him, I think, unless I am the only one. However, the native with a close Mercury/Uranus square has a very difficult time with all manner of mental struggles such as obsessive thinking, worrying, anxiety, striving for perfection and other such difficulties.

4. Chiron Conjunct the Sun

If this aspect is close, the self esteem of the native seems to be eroded. The father may have been abusive, as well.

5. Chiron Conjunct the MC

The only thing worse than pain is pain that is seen by others. That which conjuncts the MC will be seen by the greater society. You may be known by that trait. Chiron is pain, so Chiron conjunct the MC angle would be some sort of pain that the world sees.

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posted November 16, 2016 09:23 AM            

I’ve seen that you’ve been working a lot with Dejanira, so I thought I’d ask how you’d interpret the "victim asteroid" in a Quintile aspect which is supposed to be ”gifts” or ”blessings”?

Dejanira Bi-Quintile Chiron (0°01s)
Dejanira Quintile Venus (-0°19a)

posted November 16, 2016 10:08 AM            

If I teach in a helpful way, I feel very happy inside lol

I would say that you would use your pain in some way as a talent. Perhaps, you would write poetry, create music, art or write about it.

Most creativity comes from a place of pain and/or deep understanding of human nature.

Think of some really deep song?

The person must have understood pain in order to write it.

I would say something like that xx

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posted November 27, 2016 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you T. Your kind words mean so much to me!

If I teach in a helpful way, I feel very happy inside lol

I would say that you would use your pain in some way as a talent. Perhaps, you would write poetry, create music, art or write about it.

Most creativity comes from a place of pain and/or deep understanding of human nature.

Think of some really deep song?

The person must have understood pain in order to write it.

I would say something like that xx

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I just remembered I asked this question (you should do Five Aspects For Forgetfulness lol - I would not be surprised to find one or all of my aspects in there - or it could just be my Gemini airheadedness).

Wonderful interpretation. I hope I can use my Dejanira Quintiles like that in the future. Right now I am caught up in pain and hence it is difficult to utilize it for good. I am like that. I can't write about pain when I am in pain. I can only do it in hindsight.

posted November 27, 2016 12:00 PM            

Uranus Sq Mars at 7 orb
Retro Chiron in 9th House.

Uranus/Mars is a hectic aspect--I have Mars in the 12th house and feel like my temper boils inside.

posted November 27, 2016 01:43 PM            

That would be a great subject.

I am classic for it

1. Earth Void.

2. Lots of Gemini

What else would you add?

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posted November 27, 2016 01:45 PM            

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posted November 27, 2016 01:46 PM            

With Mars, you may feel pain when going after goals, such as a discouragement that you will not be good enough to reach your goals, something like that.

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posted November 27, 2016 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think Dejanira is 157, S.

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OK, so I have Dejanira Sq Moon at 3 orb...not sure how the Sq differs from Conjunct...but all I'm getting is I am living a hard life! :/

posted November 27, 2016 07:32 PM            

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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
Oh my, I have 2 of these aspects...not sure about Deinara, would have to check (what's the asteroid number for it?)

Uranus Sq Mars at 7 orb
Retro Chiron in 9th House.

Uranus/Mars is a hectic aspect--I have Mars in the 12th house and feel like my temper boils inside.

Not sure about Chiron is playing in my life--but it is Sq my Mars by 2 degrees and and Opposite Venus by 5 orb...my love life seems to have problems...

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posted November 28, 2016 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
There is beauty in the struggle and you never know how the pain you endure will help another and save lives. Life does not determine who you are, only defines it.

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Well, humble people seem to be able to help. whereas arrogant people have little to give lol

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posted November 28, 2016 07:47 PM            

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posted November 28, 2016 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I don't understand youe question, Cinnamon.

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I was just thinking that this aspect (Chiron conjunct MC) could also mean that the person who has it has also got the opportunity to use their pain in their work/ career, let's say. Like a healer, someone who can inspire others based on their own experience with pain.

posted December 01, 2016 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you, Things

That would be a great subject.

I am classic for it

1. Earth Void.

2. Lots of Gemini

What else would you add?

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Oh my. I think you summed it up pretty accurate (LOTS of Gemini - or well, just prominent Gemini in my case). Perhaps Mercury/Uranus (scattered thoughts). Neptune too (head in the clouds).

posted December 01, 2016 10:28 AM            

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posted December 01, 2016 10:37 AM            

YES, that could be the case for the MC/Chiron placement but I think the pain of the person would be seen by others, too.

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