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soren
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posted November 24, 2016 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
***ETA: alright the truest/simplist way before reading it all is to merely check which people have the stronger oppositions: the top or the bot

*changed the order for added perspective/ensurity

i heard it once that astrology isn't gravity. its not gravity that causes the effects. well obviously not but if my theory is correct is that the weight of each body, not physically but mentally on us is in exact proportion to its gravitational force. but never mind this theory and use your eyes to see if you want. this further goes to my understanding that you may have a friend with neptune, uranus, mercury and mars opposite jupiter. you might think they have more oppositions than you- who has only for example jupiter opposite the sun. actually the person with jupiter opposite the sun has about 70x strong as opposition energy because jupiter has 70x the gravity force than those 4 combined.

anyway here is the possible proof. first row below is what i think should sometimes be stronger than mercury, and always stronger than the bottom row which is neptune oppositions. these aspects are singled out oppositions, only 1 exact opposition with no other oppositions tighter than 12 degrees orb. so it really singles out the opposition energy.

that is what we are trying to see, the strength of the opposition based off their look and it is not some hidden thing. to make it easier to understand i added in some exact jupiter-sun oppositions for comparing. those are the 2 in the bottom right->. notice their strong glancing right at you. so by comparing these 3 (top row: uranus opposite moon)
row 2: merc opp moon
row 3: neptune opp moon
edit: now i added a new row of mars opp moon

to me its very clear that the uranus ones are much stronger of a gaze of opposition than the neptunes give. (oh the top right 2 are extra uranus moon oppositions)

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sorry i couldn't find a color picture for some, do you think that any of the merc oppositions might be stronger than the uranus ones? which one(s)? and do some of the mercs seem weaker than uranus ones? which one(s)?

if we have an agreement then my theory might be right. the strength of each planet is the same as its gravitational force.


**it helps to not just look at one pic and compare with another. look at all 4 in the group quickly or at your own speed and then look at the 4 in the other group

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florence
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posted November 24, 2016 04:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it's not too much trouble can you list the gravitational force of each planet or the order of strength? I think it would help weigh up each with the expression.

Did you begin to get this theory from noticing the moon expression as weaker?

I love this theory anyway. I'm also reminded of how people's eyes havd changed when undergoing stress - maybe that was some transit.

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soren
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posted November 24, 2016 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
glad you asked i'll definitely do it. well its interesting the moon from my progressions is much much stronger than jupiter, but quite a bit weaker than the sun.

jupiter is 26000x more massive than the moon, but only 1200 times further away.

sun
200 moon
200 jup
20 sat
2 venus
8 mars
2 mercury
0.58-5 uranus (depending on merc's distance which is why i was speculating some mercs would be weaker than uranus, 0.58 means its 1.7x stronger)
2 neptune

each number is how many times weaker than the body above it!

so if uranus is stronger than some weak mercs, but weaker then the closer mercs, then its falling in exact coordinance with their gravitational strength. the greater clue is mars because it is twice as strong as merc therefore no uranus's should appear to have a stronger gaze.

actually hold on need to find mars at its furthest

(and yes some of the people in the merc section should based off this idea appear to have a weaker opposition)

edit: egad uranus can be up to 3 times stronger than mars! that means these pics might show something but we would need to find the mars distance in each picture to guarantee. which is easy. also mars can be 13x stronger in gravity than uranus. so some expressions based on this should again, be much weaker, and some should be much stronger. if this happens- their strength is falling in exact alignment with their gravitational strength.

edit: just checked those 4 mars people above and 1 should have weaker opposition look than uranus. now if i can find a few mars people when it should be weaker, and if it is, then that proves

edit: alright i got pics of the top row who have mars that should be stronger than uranus oppositions. and then the 3rd row the mars should be weaker based off this idea.


all the weaker mars should be less than half of uranus.

even if i was wrong, i'd still be fascinated by discovering that its not directly proportionate to gravity strength.

**well I'm not completely sure yet but it seems like the mars' that should be weaker are all still stronger than the uranus's. if that is so it means that distance is a very very powerful factor for determining astrological strength. for gravity the distance is already squared (something 4 times the distance will be weaker by 16 times in gravity) but if mars, which should have half or less the strength of the uranus's, is even stronger than them it means for astrological strength that the distance is even beyond being squared at least for these distances.

but actually they might be weaker. its hard to tell. just found out mars at its furthest can be 0.56 about up to half of neptune. the weaker mars section should equal 1.44->1.13->1 the strength of neps

the smoothest flow of weakest to strongest will reveal if uranus can be stronger

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posted November 24, 2016 05:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much

I'm still going to need to think about this so I'll come back to later when I'm a bit more focused.

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posted November 24, 2016 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys I think i got the answer.. just edited it at the very start of the thread, just the 2 plain different oppositions by their own, to not have the perspective thrown off too much by having them paired with the other pics.. I can see it clearly which one is stronger.. last night when i was trying to compare with all 3 other sets, it was sometimes showing that one might be stronger, but to the end i was thinking the other.

But now i put them by themself, i think its pretty clear.. but we will all likely see different things.

For example to know which one is strong, just compare the uranus's to the neptunes. IMO the uranus's are all a fair bit stronger. now make that same comparison with the top and we might have our answer..

(try checking now^)


***If you want some of the names of the people in the pic at the start here are the mars ones: joan baez, ken mcmullen, & david rachline, and gilles veissiere (was on the old set below). if you go >here you can enter in their birth dates to check that my information is accurate. even do the gravity formula. i dont know the uranus ones but uranus is always 18-20 AU away so doesnt really change its strength much. plus you can tell they all kinda have that same uranus opposition stare, thats the only exact opposition they had (no other oppositions tighter than 12 degrees)

for gravity formula you dont actually have to calculate using the earth's mass. you can shorten it by leaving the earth's mass as 1. here is using the distance from joan baez's mars and comparing it to an average uranus (19 AU)

mass of mars ÷ distance from you squared
mass of uranus ÷ distance from you squared

if you divide the top number by the bottom outcome it'll give you how many times mars is stronger than the bottom(uranus).
(6.4x10^23)÷ 2.1^2 = 1.45 x 10^23
(8.7 x10^25)÷ 19^2 = 2.4 x 10^ 23
so uranus would be 2.4/1.45 = 1.65x stronger.

you'd get the exact same outcome if you used the gravitational constant ( ) and earth's mass in the equation


well there was the old set^ that i replaced cause i thought the guys 14 orb sun moon opposition might have made his opposition energy stronger than it should have. he had the furthest mars out of everyone though and it seems a lot weaker than the uranus oppositions (2.6 AU mars) so i put it back here.

Anyway the ultimate tip i realized for finding strength in opposition energy, is you make the pics bigger on the screen if you can if you hit option and then the + key, or maybe command and + key. then you look at the first person and then the person below them (mars to uranus or vice versa) and ask, is this person really staring at YOU
stronger? which one is "seeing" you stronger, in personality, awareness, just more aware that they are seeing "you". this should give away the strongest opposition energy. to know what im talking about go to the jup-sun opps or the stronger of the 2 mars opps and they really have this look as if they are really aware of you (or the person taking the pic, obviously)

just that they are stronger "looking" at and "seeing" you


and when you are looking at the second set of 4 rows it's not just coincedence if all in a set are weaker or stronger.


if you took 235 10km wide 2km high mountains and compressed them into a small dot, and had that dot 2 km away from you that would be the gravitational pull of mercury.

if each card was a 2km tall 10km wide mountain (pretty large) it would have to take 235 of these cards (and the mountain is right beside you 2 km away) to equal in strength to mercury. so its actually a pretty strong force.
keep in mind that thee is incredibly strong

if you stare at the gif for around 7 seconds possibly thats around 235

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florence
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posted November 25, 2016 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm saving this for my weekend. because numbers

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soren
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posted November 28, 2016 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thought i'd share my likely possible answer. there should be a constant flow. look at both and see which one flows the most. and then read my comments below. find your opinion first


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ok. the strength of the flow should gradually increase at a somewhat steady pace. if for one of the gifs, something was more out of line then the other, that means it was not an accurate order of strength.

if this is true, then

ok i got the hint. the more opposition energy the more it looks like they are dealing with you, like a businessman. like they gotta deal with you. like a businessman.

the more they have that, the stronger the opposition. this is likely correct.

any


**so thats the answer. uranus is stronger than the weaker mars

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