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Topic: Which Venus?
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EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1633 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted November 27, 2016 12:55 AM
Question.As part of the rectification process I am refining, I am wondering if my venus placement can be confirmed by your help! So, i either have a 9th or 12th house cancer venus. Characteristics I have in my love relationships: * very compassionate, forgiving and patient. * loyal * hate complacency and the idea of same ol same ol everyday. * require admiration and validation * until now, have tended to be in co-dependant relationships * need my space, hate clingyness * need reassurance * always see the good in partners * difficult to express emotions (moon/saturn) * idealise love (could be sun opp neptune) * have attracted partners from both my country and internationally. Any of these steer towards one? Are there other things you need to know to help me figure it out?
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soren Knowflake Posts: 2048 From: Curdle Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 27, 2016 01:00 AM
just gonna say that when i first guessed your asc as taurus, and then capricorn, that i actually guessed nearly 50% of the peoples true ascs backwards. and i looked up your chart and your progressed asc would be in cap, and i made the exact same guess order of taurus then cap for another scorp rising (she would have had her progres'd asc in cap as well for her age)just saying. cause someone was a cap riser, i guessed cancer. someone was a scorp, i guessed taurus. someone was likely an aries, i guessed libra. then the last one my second guess (first guess was leo, when they had sun in 5th) was libra when it was actually aries. and then i guessed that other famous celebrity as taurus, when it was scorp. and same for you. IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 2048 From: Curdle Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 27, 2016 01:08 AM
anyway its not that hard to look up people with uranus on the asc using this toolNone of them are that weird Ariana grande, james dean both had it 2> IP: Logged |
colorful butterfly Knowflake Posts: 589 From: Durham north carolina usa Registered: May 2015
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posted November 27, 2016 01:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by EmGem: Question.As part of the rectification process I am refining, I am wondering if my venus placement can be confirmed by your help! So, i either have a 9th or 12th house cancer venus. Characteristics I have in my love relationships: * very compassionate, forgiving and patient. * loyal * hate complacency and the idea of same ol same ol everyday. * require admiration and validation * until now, have tended to be in co-dependant relationships * need my space, hate clingyness * need reassurance * always see the good in partners * difficult to express emotions (moon/saturn) * idealise love (could be sun opp neptune) * have attracted partners from both my country and internationally. Any of these steer towards one? Are there other things you need to know to help me figure it out?
Well I have sun in Cancer but it is hard to tell which is which. It looks like you could give a sagittarius feel to your venus but also pisces but it could be because cancers are the nurtures/mothers of the zodiac. I think maybe the best to ask yourself: does love mean freedom or does love mean high ideals of love? Are you forever in a victim/savior role? Or more of you can never breathe type of love. I have a friend who is a Sagittarius and his wife use to say we were just alike. I can't stand being told what to do all tge time and someone trying to cage me in. I like to go and do whenever I want to and do what I want to do. If the other person wants to come thats fine but I do like my own space to do my own thing if I want to. The other person can't be up my butt all the time or I'll get moody but I do want them around and we do things together. If that makes sense. I will give them their freedom and in return I like my own. If I want something I just ask for it in being I don't like to make things complicated for someone but it's unnerving if they have issues doing things I ask for because I don't ask unless it's important to me. lol, I think we are the same sometimes too. IP: Logged |
visions Knowflake Posts: 441 From: france Registered: Feb 2010
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posted November 27, 2016 02:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by EmGem:* require admiration and validation
i can give you that !
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EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1633 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted November 27, 2016 03:22 AM
quote: Originally posted by colorful butterfly: Are you forever in a victim/savior role? Or more of you can never breathe type of love.
This got me. I can't tell you how many men I've attracted that I felt needed saving. But could that just be the cancer influence? They've also almost always been emotionally unavailable. This screams 12th house Venus to me. I do need freedom but I long for that soul crashing love. I'm very ethereal like that. But not for it to completely consume me or I suffocate. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1633 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted November 27, 2016 03:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by visions: i can give you that !
You already do visions ☺️💜 IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1633 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted November 27, 2016 03:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by soren: anyway its not that hard to look up people with uranus on the asc using this toolNone of them are that weird Ariana grande, james dean both had it 2>
Good to know because I thought all Uranus conjunct ascendant were weird lol! IP: Logged |
Ann7 Knowflake Posts: 785 From: united states Registered: May 2009
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posted November 27, 2016 07:31 AM
Venus in the 9th would give you a love of travel and study as well as being attracted to people that favor these things. Venus in the 12th would make you secretive and enjoy hiding your relationships or having secret relationships. Venus in the 12th is also a sign of un-requited love.IP: Logged |
Liliya Knowflake Posts: 1545 From: Registered: Jul 2013
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posted November 27, 2016 09:29 AM
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scorpiogirl Knowflake Posts: 65 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 27, 2016 07:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by EmGem: Question.As part of the rectification process I am refining, I am wondering if my venus placement can be confirmed by your help! So, i either have a 9th or 12th house cancer venus. Characteristics I have in my love relationships: * very compassionate, forgiving and patient. * loyal * hate complacency and the idea of same ol same ol everyday. * require admiration and validation * until now, have tended to be in co-dependant relationships * need my space, hate clingyness * need reassurance * always see the good in partners * difficult to express emotions (moon/saturn) * idealise love (could be sun opp neptune) * have attracted partners from both my country and internationally. Any of these steer towards one? Are there other things you need to know to help me figure it out?
Imo it's 12th. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto Knowflake Posts: 3872 From: love lives forever Registered: Mar 2014
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posted November 27, 2016 08:31 PM
Requiring validation and admiration is more the Moon in Leo I think and in fact I would recommend looking at the natal house position of the Moon before anything else to determine which set of needs resonates with you more... sorry I didn't think of that before. IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1633 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted November 27, 2016 10:01 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone! I'm definitely not secretive in my relationships. I have studied quite a bit in my life and love travel. I tend to ALWAYS attract men in the arts. E.g. Musicians, poets, artists of some sort. Liliya, you're awesome ☺️ How did you see my ig? Was it that post with supreme? I guess you've seen more than you bargained for with my pics in there hahaha. Yes I'm a dancer. I don't post those pics on FB because of fear of family's judgment but not problem on ig. So maybe that IS more Leo. I'm definitely going to check my synastry with my parents! I know my mum I saw a Leo ascendant and I think my dad would've had his Pluto conjunct my asc. I always felt a little exposed around him. @yun, I was going to say that actually! The next thread was going to be Which Moon? Lol. Because if I'm Scorpio asc then I'm a Virgo moon in the 11th, but Leo asc gives me a Leo moon in the first house! I'm pretty sensitive to criticism....hmmmmm.........
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EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1633 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted November 28, 2016 12:13 AM
@soren, my progressed ASC is still in Sag btw if I'm Scorpio ASC IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 2048 From: Curdle Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 28, 2016 12:20 AM
how many degrees did you progress it? did you mutliple your age by 1, or 1.3-1.5? for me my chart moved at 1.44. I'll save you the response, checked your chart (for anyone wants to see). it would have had progressed at a rate of 1.17 to have just moved into cap. (which i used astrotheme to find when those planets were all there) which it likely progressed faster than that. i dont need this quote to validate me cause i know how fast my chart progresses, but as said by linda "the progressed chart moves from 1-2 degrees a year" ETA: i'll add though that at age 12 my chart moved 13.66 degrees forward. at age 20 my chart had moved 23.5 degrees. showing a rate of 1.138 and 1.163. but it may speed up as you get older, im not sure. if i could use my current age and amount progressed, it would have progressed 1.92 degrees per year. HAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAH thats because i looked deep into my mind and progressed it forward unnaturally. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1961 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted November 28, 2016 01:10 AM
There is zero chance you have Scorpio rising, therefore there can be no place for Venus in the 9th house. We've already been through this. You gave me a thorough self-description and biography. There is a chance between me making a mistake I have not noticed and not having perfect clarity on your self-description that you are actually a Libra rising -- but remember, you were born when Sun & Venus were closely parallel [23 north], which adds quite a bit of Venusian influence to you and your life. So that means the arc area for Venus' placement allows it to be in the 10th, 11th, or 12th -- not the 9th. BTW, all persons with Moon conjunct Saturn tend to be sensitive to criticism, regardless of signs involved. So the signs there are not a good point for rectification differentiation. ------------------ The Declinations Guy Rising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification ♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓ IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 2048 From: Curdle Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 28, 2016 01:11 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: There is zero chance you have Scorpio rising, therefore there can be no place for Venus in the 9th house. We've already been through this. You gave me a thorough self-description and biography. There is a chance between me making a mistake I have not noticed and not having perfect clarity on your self-description that you are actually a Libra rising -- but remember, you were born when Sun & Venus were closely parallel [23 north], which adds quite a bit of Venusian influence to you and your life. So that means the arc area for Venus' placement allows it to be in the 10th, 11th, or 12th -- not the 9th.
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EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1633 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted November 28, 2016 06:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: There is zero chance you have Scorpio rising, therefore there can be no place for Venus in the 9th house. We've already been through this. You gave me a thorough self-description and biography. There is a chance between me making a mistake I have not noticed and not having perfect clarity on your self-description that you are actually a Libra rising -- but remember, you were born when Sun & Venus were closely parallel [23 north], which adds quite a bit of Venusian influence to you and your life. So that means the arc area for Venus' placement allows it to be in the 10th, 11th, or 12th -- not the 9th. BTW, all persons with Moon conjunct Saturn tend to be sensitive to criticism, regardless of signs involved. So the signs there are not a good point for rectification differentiation.
I'm still trying to get my head around the soul choosing the time. I'm kind of 3/4 of the way in and then the other part of me is like "really???". Which is why I'm checking all these things. And you have done an amazing job Kannon I'm not discounting that at all. It's just my analytical mind wanting to get it right. But I need to feel it with my body, as to whether this is right for me. Libra, I could be. Since I struggle hard to make decisions and am a very relational person, needing balance in my life. But the sun/Venus parallel could very well explain the Venusian theme. I also tend to attract Aries as you know. My progressed asc would be in libra though which might explain that. But Leo also makes sense to me, perhaps more so. I'll keep looking at progressions as you suggest. Thank you 🙏
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soren Knowflake Posts: 2048 From: Curdle Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 28, 2016 06:38 AM
Emily, My friend who i think is libra in the 10th house, is extremely career orientated. Getting a job is like his main thing he talks about and focuses on. I tried to rectify his chart using my asc tool. I might be wrong, but i used the sun method as well and he looked just like the other libras in 10th. My other friend as i said before has sun in 8th. Back when i was in grade school still, he talked about destiny, and how when we kept oddly meeting at strange times that he was like yeah, thats just how destiny is. like he actually thought it was destiny and i didn't really know what to think, i didnt have overly water. (more fire) others really match their sun- house placements more than their sign, at least seemingly to me. So that's what i would check, i know your sun is in 8th for scorpio, so that must put it in 10th (or 11th?) with leo rising. So you should ask your self, are you very work and goal orientated, aim to have nice things such as a house and dream of having a car. Or for 11th, oh i remember we had this conversation (about the 11th now). The 11th is very creative, they focus on thoughts a lot, they love playing with words and making fun stories, and being in group atmospheres and cracking fun jokes and just enjoying being around others. That's the 11th, and it's quite outgoing, but not in the myer briggs personality type, it's a different kind of extroversion. You can be a pisces/scorp dominant and be incredibly extroverted in the myer briggs, but the negative sign' energy more "recieves" reality, while positive signs "create" and look out of themselves and see it IP: Logged |
EmGem Knowflake Posts: 1633 From: Registered: Jan 2015
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posted November 28, 2016 07:08 AM
quote: Originally posted by Or for 11th, oh i remember we had this conversation (about the 11th now). The 11th is very creative, they focus on thoughts a lot, they love playing with words and making fun stories, and being in group atmospheres and cracking fun jokes and just enjoying being around others. [/B]
This sounds like me! I'm all about play play play in my friendships. Cracking witty jokes with my friends and feeling a real affiliation with my clan is huge for me. Definitely resonates more than the 10th house IP: Logged |
soren Knowflake Posts: 2048 From: Curdle Registered: Sep 2012
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posted November 28, 2016 07:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by EmGem: This sounds like me! I'm all about play play play in my friendships. Cracking witty jokes with my friends and feeling a real affiliation with my clan is huge for me. Definitely resonates more than the 10th house
Well to be a gemini in the 11th you would likely be full of thoughts non stop. Here are some gemini in 11ths edit:just added gemini suns in 8th-> The gemini suns in 11th look quite opinionated somewhat and like they think and observe a lot. If you are like that then maybe that's what you are. You can see that they are both very fixed Now here has the top two rows are leo asc's and bottom 2 are scorp asc's - Closer Inspection: Exact same smile, exact same bend of eyebrows, exact same amount of caringness. The leo's arent caring in the slightest. IP: Logged |
girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Jul 2016
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posted November 28, 2016 07:44 AM
I have cancer venus in the 11th. from what you described above I can't decide whether you have it in the 12th or the 9th. although 9th seems more probable. but you can tell your AC by the sun signs of your parents especially, and then your long term friends or the spouse. I noticed that you're deciding between libra and scorpio. are any of your parents (the one who intimidates you the most) cancer/capricorn or leo/aquarius? have you been friends with (or always seem to admire) more libras/arieses or more scorpio/tauruses? IP: Logged |
Liliya Knowflake Posts: 1545 From: Registered: Jul 2013
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posted November 28, 2016 07:55 AM
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girlwiththerainysoul Knowflake Posts: 592 From: Registered: Jul 2016
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posted November 28, 2016 08:03 AM
@Liliyait's quite interesting! both my parents have their NN conjunct my AC (their first born) and their SN conjunct my only sibling's AC! my father has his sun in my 4th and my sister's 10th, my mother in my 2th and my sister's 8th. and then the suns of my two best friends (one of 13 years and the other of 7 years) are conjunct my DC. P.S I haven't done rectification. these are based on my sister's and my time of birth on our birth certificates. IP: Logged |
Empty Spaces Knowflake Posts: 1190 From: Registered: Jun 2015
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posted November 28, 2016 08:07 AM
In my opinion,Venus in 12H!!IP: Logged |