posted November 30, 2016 07:40 AM            

I just wanted to see if anyone wanted to say how it matches them.

Saturn in 1st. I don't know why but it seems like such a burden, but it also seems powerful, like a curse that gives you power.

Death is such a profound realization to me. Sometimes I"m just laying down, it usually happens when the meat kicks in, and i have a profound realization that my dad is going to die, even though i kind of in that moment feel as if i existed forever, but there is this sense of complete opposite- noneternal feeling that he is going to one day die and no longer exist.

Saturn in the first, which is ruling the brain/thoughts/thinking makes me realize stuff like this.

Even myself, i will realize at these times that I too will die.

My most profound thing was i once said

"One day it's going to be 9 billion years from now. One day that time will be in the now, as clocks are happening"

Death is profound for me. I wonder if all saturn in the 1st are like this. Or does it take a bit extra, an intelligent mind as well?

I think saturn in 12th has it easy. But actually I think they could truly see how pointless everything is- like a machine, reality is just like a machine and they can see it. They can be too rational. See the world as moving parts, even universal conciousness as a machine- essentially one sided which is close to non existent. if there is only one side to reality, like reactions, then truly it deosnt exist.

Saturn in 12th is that reality deosnt exist.

posted November 30, 2016 08:05 AM            

Saturn in Leo will likely understand the weight of a situation and give a powerful conclusion. They can judge others in a very deep way.

"Does he really need to grab attention in that way?" to a man standing on a edge of a building.

They are powerful and realistic with their thoughts

They understand the undertones of behaviour and they basically are always aware. Fixed. Fire to prove their own glory of understanding. That person is looking for a fight. That bus driver was nice, they see a fixed fire responsible bus driver. They see what they feel. The driver is prideful, in control and even likeable at least he likes himself and reflects that he is better. Better in being enjoyable. At least good at it.

The leo is aware of peoples deep responsibilities and convictions and aware when people are not even trying to uphold them and judges them, they are being foolish, they have a lack of strength, the leo saturn will make such harsh judgements. But there is nothing wrong with it, that is that own sign position's curse, like any saturn sign position would be.

But it's also not a curse, because saturn creates us to be masters of reality. It makes us into adults- into soldiers, into the toughest people in this universe.

posted November 30, 2016 01:43 PM            

Well, it's taken me a long time to feel okay with my shoe collection. My shoe life has been sadly deficient in the past. I was just thinking of how when I was in high school, my saintly father drove me into the big city specifically to buy me the expensive shoes I saw in a magazine. I hardly ever asked him for things, so he always said Yes when I did ask. And I got my shoes. And sometimes I didn't even want to sleep at night, I would position my shoes in my line of vision and stay awake staring at them, like they were my dream come true.

(This story is the positive flip side of the shoe coin, as I knew poverty as a child and also experienced the scalding pain of judgment for being dressed in the wrong shoes.)

Anyway, it's Saturn. So, my family received a puppy as a gift, and our puppy ate my shoes, because Saturn loves to teach through misery, but I still wore those puppy-eaten shoes for a while, since I couldn't bare to part with them, and didn't have money for new ones. Then I was just a shoe-enigma. 12th house stuff. But if I could have sat The Jury down and explained, they may have understood. I would have said, "Listen, I have an issue here, all tied up in shoes, and if I explained, you'd know I need these things almost like amulets, they have enormous sentimental value still, but I'm working on it. I'm working on being someone who could get over shoe tragedies."

I replaced those shoes with a pair of study Doc Martens. I wore them when my friends and I drove out West. I wore them as we climbed the red rocks in Sedona, where I almost died because I was so close to falling, but perhaps thanks to having the actual right shoes for the task, I managed to get off that narrow ledge alive. And again, my shoes were now scuffed and imperfect, very soon after purchase. Well there was a story in the scuffing.

At the same time I had a pair of almost threadbare Converse low tops. I wasn't trying to be anything. I just didn't have money to replace them, and besides, well, they were comfortable. A guy who liked me said to me one time, possibly in an attempt at seduction: "I love your sneakers. Old Converse sneakers are so beautiful."

But hey. I have Leo Saturn...he was saying, ALL these old sneakers are beautiful, including the ones belonging to other girls? What about me and my specialness? Where is the pat on the head for my enormous ego?? Hmph

But that's when I was younger. Now I don't care. I have money for shoes. I have lots of pairs that I like. Especially rainboots (progressed Saturn in Cancer, still in the 12H, that's double water!) But you know what I do? Dream of living near the shore and hardly ever wearing shoes, just walking on the beach, where the sand is temperate.

posted November 30, 2016 04:24 PM            

Thanks for Sharing.

I don't have similar experiences, besides having hats I like to keep a toque on and it feels like my head is taken care of.

I liked to walk bare foot for a year or 2, but that was likely my progressed Saturn in 12th. As it's no longer in 12th, I lost that desire! haha

I did do it once in the winter but there wasn't snow where I ran for 10-15 minutes without shoes. My P. Sat was in 11th during that time, but that was the only time. But I had gone bare feet many many times before that. Well I still can easily go barefoot outside in the dew. My P. Sun in the 12th will give me the confidence and drive to do such things. Pick up things with my feet.

I notice that Pisces sign instills a desire to just walk. To be able to move, to express your feet, to move them and walk around.

And as it's in a mutable water sign- it also loves to view the scenery, see the special sights, take in the spirituality. The beautiful essence as it moves. That's a part of pisces, a combination of body rulership as well as the sign.

posted November 30, 2016 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
This is an easy one because it's easy to know for each of yourselves. If you had saturn in Sag your thighs are likely restricted- you might not have much feeling in them, maybe not much growth. They basically lack flow or movement and you might not even feel connected to them. You might have no feeling in the body part of saturn.

I just wanted to see if anyone wanted to say how it matches them.

Saturn in 1st. I don't know why but it seems like such a burden, but it also seems powerful, like a curse that gives you power.

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Fellow Saturn in the first H in Sag w/ Uranus conjunct Saturn.

Can't say my thighs are restricted I have pretty muscular thighs from being a bicyclist.

But my bones are crackly (saturn) and my wrists and ankles are very dainty for how tall I am - its very out of proportion.

Also Saturn in the 1st just adds a bit of a burden to your personality - I am far more realistic and self deprecating than most Leo Suns and have this sense of duty. I'm the oldest sibling - maybe it stems from that.

posted December 01, 2016 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
This is an easy one because it's easy to know for each of yourselves. If you had saturn in Sag your thighs are likely restricted- you might not have much feeling in them, maybe not much growth. They basically lack flow or movement and you might not even feel connected to them. You might have no feeling in the body part of saturn.

I just wanted to see if anyone wanted to say how it matches them.

Saturn in 1st. I don't know why but it seems like such a burden, but it also seems powerful, like a curse that gives you power.

Death is such a profound realization to me. Sometimes I"m just laying down, it usually happens when the meat kicks in, and i have a profound realization that my dad is going to die, even though i kind of in that moment feel as if i existed forever, but there is this sense of complete opposite- noneternal feeling that he is going to one day die and no longer exist.

Saturn in the first, which is ruling the brain/thoughts/thinking makes me realize stuff like this.

Even myself, i will realize at these times that I too will die.

My most profound thing was i once said

"One day it's going to be 9 billion years from now. One day that time will be in the now, as clocks are happening"

Death is profound for me. I wonder if all saturn in the 1st are like this. Or does it take a bit extra, an intelligent mind as well?

I think saturn in 12th has it easy. But actually I think they could truly see how pointless everything is- like a machine, reality is just like a machine and they can see it. They can be too rational. See the world as moving parts, even universal conciousness as a machine- essentially one sided which is close to non existent. if there is only one side to reality, like reactions, then truly it deosnt exist.

Saturn in 12th is that reality deosnt exist.

Saturn in 1st is that reality exists so much. But its going to end for you

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posted December 01, 2016 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Saturn in the 1st house can be challenging at a young age. Did you have a restricting childhood, or youth?

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Well I had saturn approach the ascendant early on and conjoin it.

A little ways after it separated by about 4 parts per piece no longer had too much restriction.

But I don't think the challenges of 1st saturn will ever disappear, but I will get stronger

Feel free to share your saturn experiences/house placement relevance

im really interested in house placements

What sounds more accurate for my personality

Sun in Aries
Moon in Capricorn
Saturn in Aries
Mercury in Aries
Jupiter in Libra
Mars in Leo
Neptune Pisces
Uranus Pisces

does that sound like me? cause it's in those signs in all 3 other theorized house systems, overlapping. i checked. they dont always overlap.

posted December 01, 2016 05:47 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
Well I had saturn approach the ascendant early on and conjoin it.

A little ways after it separated by about 4 parts per piece no longer had too much restriction.

But I don't think the challenges of 1st saturn will ever disappear, but I will get stronger

Feel free to share your saturn experiences/house placement relevance

im really interested in house placements

What sounds more accurate for my personality

Sun in Aries
Moon in Capricorn
Saturn in Aries
Mercury in Aries
Jupiter in Libra
Mars in Leo
Neptune Pisces
Uranus Pisces

does that sound like me? cause it's in those signs in all 3 other theorized house systems, overlapping. i checked. they dont always overlap.

oh for the 4 parts per piece i know, it was about 7 degrees where i started getting free. 7 degrees from the asc. i got more freeing

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