posted December 15, 2016 06:52 PM            

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Hemilla is talking about the thread "Libra aint Loyal." Which is not about taking it personal is about astrological inaccuracy. I avoided going to that thread for a long time just bc of the title, the grammar of it and its sentiment. People here don't respond well to Gross generalizations not for emotional reasons necessarily but bc is not accurate to say Libras are not loyal and that they are Satan

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The [b]whole point of this site is about going deeper than sun sign astrology and delving into the complexity of astrology.

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So many contradictions.

There is nothing inaccurate about saying Libra represents Satan in the zodiac.

posted December 15, 2016 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Why? Because the truth hurt.

[Quote[]Hemilla is talking about the thread "Libra aint Loyal." Which is not about taking it personal is about astrological inaccuracy. I avoided going to that thread for a long time just bc of the title, the grammar of it and its sentiment. People here don't respond well to Gross generalizations not for emotional reasons necessarily but bc [b]is not accurate to say Libras are not loyal and that they are Satan

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So many contradictions.

There is nothing inaccurate about saying Libra represents Satan in the zodiac.

The deeper you get into studying astrology, the more you will realize how true that is.[/B][/QUOTE]

I want you to share resources, links and references that back up your claim, at least something...

Perhaps start a separate thread all together to discuss this theory as I dont think is good to discuss that theory in the context of the other thread. It should be honored with its own thread separately so it can be looked at more objectively not as a way to demonize the sign and label them as disloyal, the story of Lucifer is more complex than that and is about standing up for the truth and been true to your self and after all loyalty starts with been true your values, beliefs and been true to yourself first IMO.

posted December 16, 2016 03:12 AM            

if i say moon in gemini is that or sun in cancer is x,z.. that is one thing. another thing is to imply that someone with sun in cancer or moon in gemini is as the description,WHY? because that person also has other planets in the chart, aspects, and houses, not to mention asteroids and fixed stars and midpoints, etc. I think that the mean reason people react to this generalizations are because a pure description of an arquetype does not apply to a person having the sign. therefore people do not feel represented in the description and react to it.

so, for me, attributing to a person the traits of one of the planets is WRONG because the chart is no one single element. same as saying all men are from mars or all people of certain age are xxx... of course when you separate people by age or gender, you emphasize the differences to make a concept clear, but then, the person is a combination of all these factors interacting in a system called PERSON

so... when i see these threads, libra is not loyal, how to attract a sagitarious, etc, i do not even bother to read. it just do not bring anything new to me. in that case I prefer to read linda goodman sun sing book which is very detailed. instead if i see a thread explaining certain traits of libra or any sign, the myth, that allows to get a deeper graps of the symbolism of a sign then I am in. but that is different than attributing the symbolism to a person who is also influenced by many other different arquetypes-symbols etc

said that, sometimes certain traits in a chart become very powerful.. like having lack of an element, or having a grand cross or a grand trine. however, even in those instances, there are execptions. the effect butterfly is something we should alway keep in mind when making generalizations. even a small change in a system can create a total different result. a good example is looking at charts of twins when only the AC is different and it brings so much difference to their personalities... as the houses changes and the planets in houses. just this manor variation make for a huge difference. sometimes they share the moon sign and still they are different because of the degree...

posted December 16, 2016 09:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I feel just as weird when my signs are praised.*

*When I feel like it does not apply to me.

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posted December 16, 2016 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
∆ Ditto. What is your strongest planet Faith according to the Pullen declination report?

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Sun

Yes, come to think of it, some Leo readings might describe me better than Capricorn. Though very good astrologers who see more to Cap than just "stoic workaholic" can make me feel quite well known and understood. And that's a good feeling.

posted December 16, 2016 11:03 AM            

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Yes, come to think of it, some Leo readings might describe me better than Capricorn. Though very good astrologers who see more to Cap than just "stoic workaholic" can make me feel quite well known and understood. And that's a good feeling.

I like the Secret Language books and I'm willing to take both praise and criticism from them, because they resonate strongly with me, and seem accurate for the most part.

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I don't understand at all why people on this forum claim caps are "cold" or "stoic" it really is puzzling to me, I find that to be the exception if anything not the rule. I have met a lot of Caps in my life since you guys tend to be very friendly and become friends with everyone trying to be nice to everyone and make everyone feel welcome, it is hard not to meet many of you. I think that has to do with been ruled by Saturn and that sign feeling too familiar with karma on an instinctive level as well as been blessed with this sense of responsibility towards self but also others.

posted December 16, 2016 11:41 AM            

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This.

Also, what I pointed out is something I've pointed out about virtually any placement (because what you and the other one said about Libra will be said in some manner about EVERY sign sooner or later). I do not like gross generalizations, especially when they reach the point of absurdity that I wonder if I'm talking to a troll rather than having a genuine conversation or debate. And perhaps it does stoke some insecurity in me, but not that you are "speaking truth," but that astrology is BS and I've wasted too much time on it and/or people who look down on astrology will see statements like that and assume I'm just as stupid for thinking along such gross generalizations as well (it's true that LL has made me question my belief in astrology more than any skeptic has). That's a minor point, though. Mostly, I just don't like sloppy thinking and gross generalizations. About any sign.

I could ask why some people feel they're entitled to insult an entire sun or placement on a site where they KNOW that people with that sign or placement will read it, but then whine if someone criticizes them or their statements in the least way, but I know from experience that I would not get an answer to the question asked.

As for pointing out the negative, I can do that as well, including of my own signs and placements (and have had fun doing so). I actually found it fun to do so when a Libra once posted a thread praising Libras were (which a Libra should know better than, especially if there are other Libras who will feel compelled to balance the scales) by pointing out how crazy Libras can become. (I don't like blind worship anymore than I like over the top criticism, both are gross, and often silly, generalizations.)

Astrology books point out plenty of negatives. So does Linda Goodman, my favorite parts of her books is where she shares her anecdotes, or even makes up a dialog between signs, which are exaggerated only for comedic effect. And she does it in a way that makes sense as well as being hilarious. 'Course she knows the positives as well. Never would LG say a sign is "Satan" (though she might say they could turn into such under such and such circumstances). Furthermore, she also knew it was a rare few that consistently showed the very best or very worst of the sign, most people have moments that they're at their best and at their worst, but ultimately we're all human (as opposed to Satan). IOW, it's not an overly simplistic gross generalization.

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posted December 16, 2016 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Talk about taking things personal. They're high-fiving each other because it feels weird when their own expression of a sign doesn't match with others expressions & experiences. And they have the nerve to call people silly.

Newsflash: "It's NOT about YOU"

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You should seriously tell that to yourself. Faith made a point that even positive qualities cannot be generalizable by sun sign which further reinforced in a non biased way the point we have been making but for some reason you are interpreting this in another way lol.

posted December 17, 2016 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You should seriously tell that to yourself. Faith made a point that even positive qualities cannot be generalizable by sun sign which further reinforced in a non biased way the point we have been making but for some reason you are interpreting this in another way lol.

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