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ilunatique
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posted December 18, 2016 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Long story short: in one year i'm going to be at an university and i'm incredibly anxious.

Dad will be obliged to pay for most of it - i hope.
I live with my mom now in a place that cant be called home. My mom doesnt own an apartment or house whatsoever. She doesnt make money even if she works all day. We live thanks to my crazy grandparents crowded in a room .. only my grands can pay the bills and food for everyone. Been like this for 7 years.
The money i get from my dad (70 dollars per month/300 lei in my currency) plus the times my mom barely makes money is obviously not even enough for us to have our own place. I live in a poor country and that doesnt help either. Im not getting into details.


Anyways what i do now is focus a lot on my studies and try not to have daily panic attacks and mental breakdowns about my future. Even though i feel horrible and im trying to hold back tears right now..university is approaching and im feeling worse and worse.

Im not a genius -that would have helped.. I dont get only A's. That is 10 in here. I am somewhere around 8-9. Averagely good. Like a B+.
Maybe im a genius at emotions, intuitions and feeling. That is not very practical in our world.


I've always wanted to become a psychologist, since I was very young. Helping people from the core of everything - soul has always been my goal in life.
Still, everyone is telling me im crazy because its not easy, money isnt great, it takes a lot of time, you barely find a job.
Considering my current life and the poor country with no jobs-also very poorly paid (average salary here is 300-400$), yes it will be difficult. My plan is to get out of here and work in another country and have the normal life I always dreamed of.

I cant change my specialization now, its too late. Im doing social studies in my highschool and i cant become an IT or doctor because my final exam consists only of languages, literature, history, etc. Nothing math/bio/chem.

Based on my chart, is psychology the right thing for me? If not, what could you see me doing in the future? If yes, what type of psychology? Neuro/child/organizational etc.

I dont know anymore. Sorry for the vent.

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ilunatique
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posted December 18, 2016 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilunatique     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted December 18, 2016 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you could become a psychologist if you are willing to work for it (Scorpio Mercury on the MC seems particularly well-suited to this line of work), but I don't know what it's like in your country, and if people are trying to warn you that you won't be able to find a job, it might be worth taking them seriously and planning first to have a stable-income job, and perhaps after you have security, go back to school?

If you would rather take the risk (Sag planets) my advice is to protect your own peace and happiness in the process. It's not right for a bright, hard-working young person to feel so much stress about being able to financially survive the future.

Best wishes with whatever choice you make.

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florence
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posted December 18, 2016 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know a little about sun conjunct Chiron, having that myself. Can't imagine what it would be like with Pluto too but I'd think it would mean you could be a very good healer. But maybe part of what will make you good is experiencing these trials.

Re pursuing what you should versus what you want .. I don't think there's much in it, in the end. If youre desperately unhappy by following an obligation you'll still likely push towards what you want. But, sometimes the skills from that path of obligation can accelerate you on the path you want too because they might be useful and no one else will have that combination of experiences. I've zig zagged all over in my career and it's all being incredibly valuable. So I could only say, as advice to not fight yourself too much whether it's what you're craving in a career or whether it's to get out of your immediate situation. Have some trust in things. It helps

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florence
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posted December 18, 2016 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron-Transforming Bridge Between the Inner and Outer Planets" by Barbara Hand Clow:

CHIRON IN ASPECT TO PLUTO
Pluto rules evolution of consciousness, which always involves a trip into the Underworld to clear the subconscious mind. Jeff Green calls Pluto "the prime mover, the first cause, or bottom line to which all other planetary factors are linked." That is because Pluto is the bridge to the galactic. Chiron is the bridge between the inner planets ruling the personality dynamic and the outer planets ruling consciousness attunement, and Pluto is the corresponding link to the galactic. Transmutation by means of Chiron will always fail unless the emotions have been cleared and karma has been released.
It would be helpful to read “Pluto: The Evolutionary Journey ofthe Soul” by Jeff Green because the level of consciousness raising potential with Chiron work is not possible without a corresponding level of work with Pluto. Visualize it: Chiron orbiting and linking the inner and outer planets, and Pluto orbiting and linking our solar system to the galaxy. Sometimes Chiron functions as Saturn, holding and encapsulating the energies and qualities of the inner planets; sometimes Chiron functions as Uranus, linking the electrical apparatus of the physical body to Neptune and the galactic. And similarly, Pluto sometimes functions like Saturn, holding the subconscious energies in check until a vision of ecstasy frees the energy into an eruption; or Pluto functions like the galactic, exploding consciousness into the primordial fireball of the hologram of all matter throughout all time, which implodes into an instant of creation which is the Creator.
In 1978, Pluto's Moon, Charon, was sighted. It would be tempting to view Chiron as the bridge to Pluto work, but the sighting and naming of Charon right after Chiron's discovery is a potent warning not to do so. The Ferryman to the Underworld in Roman mythology is Charon, and Charon is therefore to remain as the Ferryman in Pluto clearing. But Chiron is the catalyst who sears the body with the piercing of the higher self, pointing out that a double process is going on with consciousness raising. To put it simply, we cannot survive the depth analysis of the journey to the Underworld without the synchronous experience of the vibration of the higher self. You can clear yourself and try to clear your emotions all you want, but it will never work without the experience of the rapture of the soul. So Pluto work is a process of evolution, and Chiron is the choreographer until you are ready to be master of the show yourself.
Jeff Green says, "if each person understands what his or her own evolutionary requirements are, and operates in such a way as to actualize those requirements, then the collective evolutionary necessities will be developed in a non-cataclysmic way." Pluto rules volcanoes, and we can have cataclysmic eruptions or slow release of inner Earth energy. Chiron is a primary ruler of ecology, and it has been since 1977 that we have seen that no living thing will survive unless we begin to operate as a wholistic collective. Pluto work makes it possible to identify the evolutionary needs and begin deliberate clearing work in order to trigger slow and progressive growth. And it is the higher self, the glimpse of the divine potential, which offers us the energy to do the work. Chiron rules holographic attunement, which means we attune with the collective as we progress. Actually, we cannot move without this identification of the collective working with the individual, and we only have access to that level with comprehension of Chiron's way of working, or divination.
Chiron rules divination, and divination is the only way to alignment with the collective. So, as we begin work with Pluto, it is critical to see that the relationship of Chiron to Pluto has to do with moving the deepest inner forces in tune with the hologram. Pluto shows us that we cannot even begin to align with Chiron until we have first done the hard work of depth clearing, and we can't make it through the depth clearing without the vision of the higher self. So, as we enter depth clearing, at first we use our intuition as a guide; then once we have learned to trust our intuition, we will find a divination skill which will attune us to the collective. Then finally we will begin to identify the hologram of the individual soul within the larger hologram, and then we can let go of the little self. Aspects between Pluto and Chiron will yield many clues into how to clear the self in attunement with the vision of the higher self.
Before going into aspects between Chiron and Pluto, we need a few words on the potential negativity in aspects between Chiron and Pluto. Chiron is a catalytic planet like Mercury; it is an energy which moves other things. It will cause a catalytic energy with another planet with no judgment about good or bad. Other planets in the chart, like Mercury, have to do with morality, with judgment. In a general sense, Chiron can trigger channeling and divination powers for good or bad. Channeling and divination are just a skill. There is a great big difference between working with a Ouija board, and the healer who sees auras and vibrations and uses that energy only to heal. There is a big difference between a channel who is overtaken by entities and fascinates his or her audience, and a channel of divine energies who brings in the information only for healing. The negative side of Pluto is atavism or reversion to primitivism, as most powerfully exemplified in the Nazis, who surfaced as soon as Pluto was sighted.
We are moving into the latter stages of the transition into the Age of Aquarius. Each New Age is meant to be a new energetics. But, there is much atavism since the sighting of Pluto. As we search for initiation and energy in our times, many are trying to find the energy in ancient forms. Chiron rules initiation, and an aspect to Pluto will activate the atavistic response in consciousness instead of reorganization into a new hologram. If this is your issue, ask yourself whether you really want to activate some of the highly charged attributes of your subconscious mind. It is very tempting now to fall back into the old temples, the old ways of finding energy instead of just going into direct infusion of the higher self into the body. For example, much of the work by non-Indians with Native American rituals is atavistic. Just as people get close to the creative power of the higher self, they sheer off into the grasp of a teacher, a guru, or meditation with an old form. Old forms merely exist to give us clues abut how to find the energy here and now in the place in this time; their usage is not actually applicable in modem times. As we examine aspects between Chiron and Pluto in the natal charts included, we will be looking especially hard for how to trigger the force in a new and holographic way and how to avoid falling off into safe and well-known old forms of ritual.


Chiron conjunct Pluto creates an evolutionary vortex of Chirotic energy. The house position of the conjunction defines the nature of the transmutative force, and this energy is so potent that the native's career of healing work is usually defined by that house. Chart 44, a guided imagery healer, has a wide conjunction in the 12th house, and this native's work with art and music is very Neptunian. The New Age publisher of Chart 39 with the conjunction in the seventh house brought through his transmutation in a major book which involved a key seventh house relationship. Chart 17, a theologian, is especially interesting because the conjunction is in the second house. This teacher has focused on theories to help his followers get back into the body and stay in it; he is a powerful grounder. The native of Chart 48 is one of the most powerful healers practicing in the United States. She is the mother of the native of Chart 2, and her wide Pluto/Chiron conjunction is in the
second house like the theologian, and she also is a powerful grounder. She found her healing powers when she learned how to bring higher consciousness into the body with acupuncture needles right around 1977-78. This is a strong conjunction and seems to be very active once the native activates the energy of the locating house. Karl Marx had Chiron conjunct Pluto in the first house.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted December 18, 2016 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First off...I am sending you big hugs from the other side of the world.

This is snippet taken from Desiderata and I thought it most apt for some reason

You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.

And even though it may not seem believable to you at the moment. But your worth is not valued by the circumstances you are NOW in.

I think what I am inferring from this thread is; "I have a dream that I want to pursue. But there is a crowd of people and circumstances telling me that the dream is impossible so I am second-guessing as to whether or not I am just kidding myself."

Saturn hits your Moon and Mercury by square and opposition respectively. It is also the ruler of the Asc and located conjunct the 4th house.

Saturn tends to create a sense of responsibility on the native.Like how Cancer can find themselves very subjective to their feelings,Capricorn Asc people can often find themselves having to suppress their own feelings/emotions in order to do what is "best" for those they feel obligated towards.

Now on one hand Venus opposes Jupiter certainly wants "more"-especially in the way of education and learning(Venus in 9th and Jupiter in 3rd).

But on the other hand, it is possible that you are not sure how this will help the family conditions that you feel a strong obligation to change or ease.

Looking at Jupiter in 3rd and Venus in 9th, you enjoy learning and feel a sort of "spiritual fulfillment" from it. And I dare add these placements are also indicative of someone very bright

Neptune/Uranus and Mars may provide insight to the unstable situation that you are living in(Aquarius).But it is also indicative of someone very adaptable and can anticipate changes.

Saturn conjunct the IC and square Moon points to "confinement" of some sort and not being free. The environment calls your attention to basic needs and materialism (Taurus); something that is far removed from the expression of your individuality(Leo)

Mercury is conjunct the 10th house(also indicative of someone bright ) and in the sign of Scorpio, it suggests someone who may have a mind geared towards investigation or digging.

I would say finish what you are doing. Once that is done,ease yourself by first finding a foothold for your financial freedom.

With Gemini on the 6th house cusp and Mercury conjunct mid-heaven, you can be capable of doing administrative work.

Sun in 11th and Moon(Leo)in 7th suggests to me that you would be good with people. So I would look into that.

Also jupiter in 3rd could suggest that you could have some writing skills/some talents with your hand or can multitask-especially since Jupiter is in Aries.

Uranus in 2nd in Aquarius suggests that a computer centred environment or one that is subject to "off the cuff" changes, would be where you thrive.

My point here is to ease the strain of that Saturn in Taurus conjunct the 4th-because you do feel a need to be financially stable.

Once you have a hang on that, you may even be able to finance further studies for your dreams;with Venus in Libra in 9th opposing Jupiter, it may happen that a bursary may just fall into your lap or some referral as Venus and Jupiter are both very auspicious planets.


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nordicsoul
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posted December 18, 2016 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ilunatique,

Your mercury in Scorpio, your son-pluto, your sun-neptune, your sun-chiron, your moon-mercury, gives the ability to understand emotions in depth (plutonian theme) comunicate emotions and be aware of your own (moon-mercury), compasionate side (neptune-sun) and the understanding of pain and how to heal it as life purpose (chiron-sun). you could be a very good psychologist.

and you can be very unique, original in your approach (uranus-mercury)

now, lets go to the practicalities. You have enough fire in yourself to let life to set limits, no matter your Cap Ascendant and saturn conjunt the IC cusp. seen your chart it is clear that your life has not been easy, but these challenges are what GREAT people need to be able to understand the world and help others. how could you be a great psychologist having a super easy life? how would you understand people misery if you have never experienced them..

now, if I were you (this come from someone with moon-mercury square uranus) similar placement as yourself. if I were you, I would try to get admission in a university in a country I could have some future (at some point you always can go back to your country if you want to help people there) but at this point you need to to help yourself first to be able to help others...

there are countries were tuition are either free or minimum. once you have acceptance in a program you can access a student loan. most countries allow you to work part-time when you are a full-time student. so you also can complement with a part time job in the country you choose. you can also apply for scholarship or donations. there are many funds available for people coming from poor countries. Your grades are not bad for getting funding, I think. if you need to wait one more year to start a program to secure funding, it is better to lose one year of your life than to enter into a wrong a program you cannot afford and then drop university. that would be discouraging.

I do not advice to start working and then trying to go to school. your mind is fresh now with all the knowledge from school. if you wait too long, it would be challenge to keep the pace of the university workload.

I do hope you find a satisfactory solution. Do not give up faith. Also, relocation would be good as saturn will move from the IC...

best wishes!

NS

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nordicsoul
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posted December 18, 2016 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by florence:
I know a little about sun conjunct Chiron, having that myself. Can't imagine what it would be like with Pluto too but I'd think it would mean you could be a very good healer. But maybe part of what will make you good is experiencing these trials.

Re pursuing what you should versus what you want .. I don't think there's much in it, in the end. If youre desperately unhappy by following an obligation you'll still likely push towards what you want. But, sometimes the skills from that path of obligation can accelerate you on the path you want too because they might be useful and no one else will have that combination of experiences. I've zig zagged all over in my career and it's all being incredibly valuable. So I could only say, as advice to not fight yourself too much whether it's what you're craving in a career or whether it's to get out of your immediate situation. Have some trust in things. It helps


well put!

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nordicsoul
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posted December 18, 2016 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
First off...I am sending you big hugs from the other side of the world.

This is snippet taken from Desiderata and I thought it most apt for some reason

[b]You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.

And even though it may not seem believable to you at the moment. But your worth is not valued by the circumstances you are NOW in.

I think what I am inferring from this thread is; "I have a dream that I want to pursue. But there is a crowd of people and circumstances telling me that the dream is impossible so I am second-guessing as to whether or not I am just kidding myself."

Saturn hits your Moon and Mercury by square and opposition respectively. It is also the ruler of the Asc and located conjunct the 4th house.

Saturn tends to create a sense of responsibility on the native.Like how Cancer can find themselves very subjective to their feelings,Capricorn Asc people can often find themselves having to suppress their own feelings/emotions in order to do what is "best" for those they feel obligated towards.

Now on one hand Venus opposes Jupiter certainly wants "more"-especially in the way of education and learning(Venus in 9th and Jupiter in 3rd).

But on the other hand, it is possible that you are not sure how this will help the family conditions that you feel a strong obligation to change or ease.

Looking at Jupiter in 3rd and Venus in 9th, you enjoy learning and feel a sort of "spiritual fulfillment" from it. And I dare add these placements are also indicative of someone very bright

Neptune/Uranus and Mars may provide insight to the unstable situation that you are living in(Aquarius).But it is also indicative of someone very adaptable and can anticipate changes.

Saturn conjunct the IC and square Moon points to "confinement" of some sort and not being free. The environment calls your attention to basic needs and materialism (Taurus); something that is far removed from the expression of your individuality(Leo)

Mercury is conjunct the 10th house(also indicative of someone bright ) and in the sign of Scorpio, it suggests someone who may have a mind geared towards investigation or digging.

I would say finish what you are doing. Once that is done,ease yourself by first finding a foothold for your financial freedom.

With Gemini on the 6th house cusp and Mercury conjunct mid-heaven, you can be capable of doing administrative work.

Sun in 11th and Moon(Leo)in 7th suggests to me that you would be good with people. So I would look into that.

Also jupiter in 3rd could suggest that you could have some writing skills/some talents with your hand or can multitask-especially since Jupiter is in Aries.

Uranus in 2nd in Aquarius suggests that a computer centred environment or one that is subject to "off the cuff" changes, would be where you thrive.

My point here is to ease the strain of that Saturn in Taurus conjunct the 4th-because you do feel a need to be financially stable.

Once you have a hang on that, you may even be able to finance further studies for your dreams;with Venus in Libra in 9th opposing Jupiter, it may happen that a bursary may just fall into your lap or some referral as Venus and Jupiter are both very auspicious planets.

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