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Topic: Plutonians and hatred...
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Vixen
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posted December 19, 2016 07:47 PM
  
I would like to ask those of you who have strong Pluto/Scorpio/8th house energy... do people often just HATE you on sight? Like, you don't even need to say or do anything...? And are constantly slandering you, giving you death glares and excluding you from groups? especially those of the same sex? How are you dealing with this?
Because I'm dealing with this crap all my life and I think it may be happening because of my strong Plutonic energy (Pluto conjunct Scorpio ASC and opposite Mars, Sun and Mercury in 8th house...).
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How can I own that energy in a way that is not going to work against me? Don't get me wrong. I don't the feel the need to be popular (I'm quite introverted, so popularity would be quite tiresome for me), but it's depressing to always feel those poisoned arrows aiming towards me, whenever I'm in room with group of people.IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted December 19, 2016 08:19 PM
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Violets
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posted December 19, 2016 08:58 PM
I'll have to think on it a bit.
Each decade of my life has been different, but it does seem as though I've often had to hold my ground with other women who tried to be pushy with me, or exclude/alienate me.I am, however, perfectly capable of feeling hostile/jealous towards other women for whatever reason, and have sometimes gone well out of my way to make that very clear. Petty jealousy, I might add. Well, and sometimes just a dislike for what appears to be general stupidity from my perspective. Maybe not always stupidity outright, but something...vapid, maybe. So I think it can go both ways for me, but it's never extreme like staring daggers at people or trying to sabotage their lives or anything... Although I've worked with some cutthroat, b*tchy women before, really absurdly competitive with me for absolutely no reason, and I've often had to "fight" for a guy of my interest (although I believe that speaks more of where I was at the time as a person, and the people I chose to date, than it does of the other women involved). IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted December 19, 2016 09:59 PM
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Violets
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posted December 19, 2016 10:58 PM
I don't know... Like I said, I'll have to put together different decades of my life, and put the entire picture together before I can really make a clear call on it. Mostly I've encountered sh**ty behavior from women my own age, from when I was younger up to now. But I can't say that it's the norm, and I have a lot of "outsider" placements in my chart that would also contribute to anything of that nature. It will give me something to reflect on, anyway... IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted December 19, 2016 11:23 PM
A certain amount of endurance and acceptance was required in my younger years, but I did find other misfits who I could bond with, and I focused more on what I had than what I didn't (probably also my Sag influences). In my youth I even responded with violence when I felt menaced (not treated rudely or general bitchiness, mind you, but an aura of menace or threat to me). Genuine bullying was therefore a minor problem for me, though I was still shunned by most (but not all). And as an adult who was facing homelessness and other hardships based on hostility, a pointing out of the law and involving a lawyer put the primary woman against me on the defensive who backtracked fast, as did her posse. In any case, this shows that most people will only do what they feel they can get away with. Surely someone as Plutonian as yourself, and with strong Scorpio energies, can put a little bit of fear into those who want to be your enemies. Some world philosophers and propagandists (who know how people really operate, as otherwise they would suck at their job) have said it's better to be loved than feared, but when love isn't possible, fear can still work very nicely. That all said, I don't compete for promotions in the job market, nor do I compete for males at the clubs and what have you. This makes it easier to focus on those I do get along with and ignore the haters. A weed in one garden is a flower in another, and I do my best to be in the garden where I'm the flower instead of weed. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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Registered: Dec 2012
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posted December 20, 2016 11:38 AM
"How can I own that energy in a way that is not going to work against me? Don't get me wrong. I don't the feel the need to be popular (I'm quite introverted, so popularity would be quite tiresome for me), but it's depressing to always feel those poisoned arrows aiming towards me, whenever I'm in room with group of people."I would think of it as a great vantage point because from there on you care free to be yourself. And those who are then drawn to you are drawn because of your authenticity  Pluto, Venus, Saturn in 8th house and Scorpio- For me it's not so much "hate", but I notice that most people will avoid me or not be able to approach me; Assuming that I am stern and fierce. I don't mind it as there is little I can do to curb how others receive me. I just like shocking them when they realize I am nowhere near the picture that they had already formed  IP: Logged |
colorful butterfly
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From: Durham north carolina usa
Registered: May 2015
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posted December 20, 2016 12:11 PM
I deal with this from time to time especially from women. Cattiness which is actually just being competitive even when you don't know your competing. For men this is natural to understand they are feeling competitive as men are naturally aggressive, However women may not understand their aggressive side and we are taught be nice etc. Well some of us. Women end up using psychological warfare really if you ask me. The best thing that I used was to help other women understand where they shine at. I figure their pettiness came from low self-esteem and it does for the most part. One girl that I thought was so cute and crazy funny that I know, for whatever reason she would shoot side comments to me and other people, thinking either it was ok to do or that other people would not notice. I would complement her and still cheep shots from her, I think she was just insecure and liked male attention. She is an Aquarious and I have known some Aquarian women to be like this, I don't take it personal. Aquarius rules my 5th house and I have a ton of Aquarious friends. Anyway, I just understand what is going on behind the mask and they think I think I know everything HAHA. I would get put down for studying psychology and astrology. I finally learned to just embrace my weirdness and make a joke of it.(still learning)Being a Cancer I am sooo sensitive so learned that I am the one with the button and fixing the inside kind of thing. Why does it bother me, childhood issues and what to do internally to understand myself. It does not mean I let others off the hook for their lude behavior. I would pull people to the side and would ask, do we have a problem? Some people try to flip it back to you and ugh, nope we are not going to do that. Either way whatever your intentions were I don't care for it so please stop it. If that didn't work I started to help them understand their own. People sooooo hate that , Such as why do you need that for yourself??? To the point of bring articles out about the behavior they are displaying and psycologically whats going on inside them. I've faced my demons can you face yours??? Not so fun is it???? Also the comments about I think I am a psychologist because I study psychology and going to school for it, my reply: yep, I know how to pick up a book and read. How dare I educate myself. Comments such as I don't believe in psychology and I don't understand it etc. My response: They just teach this at universities and pay psychologist xyz all because psychology is just bs. Uhhhhh ok???? You just keep with that theory. No, the real problem is you feel intimidated by something you don't know and understand. Also being forced to look at yourself is pretty hard to do??? Anyway, this was all at work and finally I ended up having a talk with my boss. I explained everything to her, what I felt like was going on. How crazy things we're etc. She gave me some things on anger, CBT, and other things. I have been through a lot as a kid and I DO NOT BULLY WELL. Anyway, after that I truly have had the utmost respect for my boss. I moved shifts , went back to school and took the lessons from the people that I had the hardest time from on 1st to 2cond. The weirdest part is that I learned more than I had ever learned in school and growing up in an orphanage probably because I could fight there and well violence is not the answer in adulthood. What I learned was just how to deal with difficult people effectively. Each person is different etc and have to be handled different ways. Either way, things on second are like a breath of fresh air , I am happy all the time. Sometimes things come up but because of the people I delt with before, I just know what to do and how to go about it. It takes practice and I'm no where near being perfect from it but I'm getting there. I am also learning from second too so hopefully by the end of it I will just know how to shrug it off and keep it moving. Also, the girl I mentioned above we actually became really cool with one another. Shocker! We just learned to like the cool parts of each other and ignore the other parts of each other that we don't like. We all have good and bad in us, it makes a whole person. Takes time to learn one another and sometimes being at odds will make you have a certain respect for one another. etc. Keep others around to help you internally for support because being bullied can bring you to depression. Their is a youtube video about narcissism and how it can effect other people who are dealing with them. The people at work are not narcissist btw , their actually very caring people just bullies bully because they don't know how to say I need love, attention and to feel special. They expect to be hated or bulling another is the only thing thats ever gotten them any type of social status, needing another to step on in order to rise their status. Nada, I just like to teach you don't need that bs to be cool, be you , be original but just be the best you possible. You don't have to be perfect but just try everyday to be better than you were yesterday. For gods sake, if you find yourself complaining all the time their is something unhappy in you because happy people are busy being just that, happy. It's ok sometimes to have things come up but if your consantly picking faults and things maybe the issue comes within and not the outer. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX
Knowflake Posts: 1603
From: Plutanus
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted December 20, 2016 12:42 PM
I have Mars conjunct Ascendant in Scorpio with my Moon in the 8th house. I also have my Sun and Moon aspecting Pluto. For me, I have had it happen a lot in my younger years, but as I've grown older it has toned down significantly. I've always felt like I was competing against everyone however. In group projects I feel like I am always trying to gain control and it makes me quite furious when people completely dismiss my ideas entirely and come up with their own, which happens quite often. I like working alone because working with people frustrates me. I've had people be angry with me and hate me for no reason at all. They would just not want to be around me and it frustrated me because I had no idea why. There was one kid in particular that I developed some sort of strange attachment to over the years who seemed to have a negative opinion of me. I wasn't sure why he had problems with me exactly, they just sprouted out of nowhere. I have known though that it doesn't take much effort from me to put people in their place. Usually it only happens once and they don't mess with me again. Another kid in school used to "bully" me as a child saying that no one wanted me around and I should just go away. Now he's probably forgotten about that since he doesn't treat me the same way, but for some reason he didn't like me either. Again, I DIDN'T KNOW WHY. Perhaps I just radiate this sort of energy that aggravates people, maybe my posession of this energy is what frustrates them so much. Of course, I can't explain everything. It was unusual, and something I thought should be noted. ------------------
Scorpio Ascendant
Aquarius Sun in 4th
Gemini Moon in 8th
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pire
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posted December 20, 2016 12:52 PM
Colorful butterfly ,I enjoyed reading your post  IP: Logged |
soren
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posted December 20, 2016 01:59 PM
my dad has a 10 degree orb pluto sun.seems a bit loose (although it's including lattitude IE true angle between them is 10 degrees exact) he seems really annoying because you want him to kind of suck up to you and try to be liked by you, do something to please you, but it seems he does the exact opposite and "you don't effect me" as if he is not effected and "uneffected" by you IP: Logged | |
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