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Topic: People manipulated by others
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MahaKali
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posted December 24, 2016 10:15 AM
  
What in your opinion indicates someone can easily be manipulated by others, deceived, to follow others rather than themselves, not to be aware they felt under someone's influence but thinking how they are what they supposed to be?Maybe some Neptunian aspects with Sun or Pisces energy? What else do you think, what planets positions, houses, aspects? IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
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posted December 24, 2016 10:44 AM
Neptune is a planet that can often debilitate ones reasoning abilities and sense of independence as it often suppresses the ego or produces a sort of "wipe-out" in that area of life- usually one feels lost and in need of someone to help them find a wayIn many ways Neptune can have one be susceptible to manipulation or gross misunderstanding etc. Think of Neptune as your first day of work/school. You don't know anyone and for that time being, you are entirely relying on those who have been there longer, to lead the way So these situations don't call for an ego or complete independence. Which is why Neptune heavily influenced people may find it natural to "surrender" the ego etc. I have Neptune Asc trine and Neptune/ Jupiter/Sun conjunct. Sun rules the 5th-I often prefer when my relationships are "open-ended". When younger, I wanted to be "lead" until I found that it confined me in many ways. Jupiter rules the 9th- My idea of God/Universe is one that is not masculine. I often look to books about spirituality for guidance. it can get rather complex and headache induing when I disagree with them though  Neptune trine Asc-I am always open to helping others and expect to get help myself.I often perceive people who are not helpful as "mean". IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 24, 2016 11:33 AM
Pisces/Neptune may sometimes appear to succumb to manipulation, but there is usually an underlying logic to it that people are not seeing.Well and sometimes self-sacrifice is not logical at all, but it can be deliberate and purposeful and authentic. ETA: And a lot of Neptunians are simply reclusive and only want limited contact with others. IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted December 24, 2016 01:28 PM
Oh my gosh you just described my friend, she is exactly like this. She has a 12th house sun and mercury opposite neptune. I just shake my head when she tries to convince herself and others with "Oh this is all me" crap. Very easily influenced and its very easy to deceive her. Some Neptunians will just follow the crowd their in no matter what and find excuses for people that will end up biting them in the ass later on. IP: Logged |
MahaKali
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posted December 24, 2016 02:27 PM
I know few people with strong Neptune, 12th house, and you never know which way it will end. They can really be true healers and help people, but also can get manipulated by others, idealize someone and become prisoners of their own kindness and love for everyone.I think that Neptune in 1st house, especially in conjunction to AC can even sign like Aries, Scorpio, Virgo, Capricorn or.. which generally have strong character, to make lost and oversensitive, not to talk if Neptune is making hard aspects to some personal planets. Know one person, very closed and fearful, even for an Aries. But there is another sign I can put here, maybe some people will disagree with me, but I think Libra can pretty well get manipulated by someone but different way. Like, they can be themselves great manipulators, they are not so nice and kind once you better met them, they are narcissistic and love attention, love someone to admire them all the time but they can't stand when people ignore them. I'm talking here more about Libra men. They can do anything to gain your attention, the more you ignore them, the more they respect you and find you attractive. They can become obsessed by you and instead of manipulating others, they get manipulated by that mystical stranger, but very consciously.
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Faith
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posted December 24, 2016 02:47 PM
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headintheclouds91
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posted December 24, 2016 03:31 PM
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PixieJane
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posted December 24, 2016 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by MahaKali:
What in your opinion indicates someone can easily be manipulated by others, deceived, to follow others rather than themselves, not to be aware they felt under someone's influence but thinking how they are what they supposed to be?Maybe some Neptunian aspects with Sun or Pisces energy? What else do you think, what planets positions, houses, aspects?
About everyone. There's a reason advertising, fake news, and spin doctors are in high demand. Those who know how can manipulate the masses. I doubt anyone is immune, though they may be immune to certain aspects if they are not the target audience. But I suppose I could see the influences you mentioned making one even more prone to it. But here's the thing, placements are like a flipping coin that have an elevated and degraded side. Pisces is represented by 2 fish because they might get lost in dreams (swimming down) or have the ability to turn their dreams into a reality (swimming up), and which manifests depends on the individual Pisces. I expect that these influences either make the most vulnerable to manipulation by others (be it friends or professionals) or the least, depending on how each person with this placement works this energy out (and other factors). IP: Logged |
colorful butterfly
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posted December 24, 2016 10:51 PM
I have neptune oposition venus, meaning believeing what I want to see. So use to see the other person like all positive and not seeing thier flaws, weakness and humanness. So whenever someone said something that cut me, I would really get upset. I still get upset but I understand when someone says something that hurts or tries to hurt you, it's really because they hurt. Also to pay attention to another person actions vs thier words. Even then I've seen someone shadow up close and personal. Mostly in love relations but in friendships as well as other relations. I've just learned everyone will hurt you , people don't mean to thier just human. The ones to keep though are the ones you ask to not do that and they respect you for it. Plus I can be really sensitive. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted December 25, 2016 12:32 PM
I would say that mutable energy in general is open to other ideas because they are not fixed into anything. They can see the flow of things and has a natural understanding of the constant change of things. like a child mind, they are more "plastic" and flexible. for some reason I cannot imagine virgo or saggi as flexible, but piscis and gemini yes...so not sure the classification into modalities makes totally sense in my mind, but this is another story.. lets keep on mutable energy conceptso, the more open the person's mind the more influenced they are. that is the drawback of being open. Conversely, closed minded people are not so prone to be influenced, but then, it is difficult to have a discussion with them as it seems to be a moo point. Nothing will make them change their mind. at the end interaction and exchange of ideas is a dialectic process and if you really are open to discussions you are likely to be influenced. otherwise, why people discuss if there is not intention of influencing them somehow with our view? said that, I believe that everybody has their triggers. some people only will be influenced by authorities in a field or someone they feel knows a lot of a subject (a cap in 9 house, Saturn in 9, or mercury Saturn may make people distrustful of not academically oriented opinions for example) some others buttons are emotional. If I like someone, I listen their ideas. if I do not like, I do not. I suspect a moon connection to mercury or a mercury moon can have this. I am making all this up. I have never taken time to think what astrologically make people to be influenced, but if I were to look for answers, I would look at aspects to mercury, mercury placement, sign of 9th house, prevalent energy pattern in chart, maybe also feminine versus masculine energy assuming feminine is receptive? IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted December 25, 2016 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
maybe also feminine versus masculine energy assuming feminine is receptive?
Technically, feminine is magnetic, seductive, or put into other words, manipulative. That is, the feminine energy is more likely to manipulate. Of course, there's no rule saying a manipulator can't also be manipulated. IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
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posted December 26, 2016 12:01 AM
When I was in a weak mental position, some people manipulated me. I was in a deep depression, and not a strong place, mentally.Has nothing to do with astrology, in my opinion. People pick on the weak, justified, or not. People also scapegoat people who are in a weak position. IP: Logged |
Elise3090
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posted December 26, 2016 07:56 PM
many neptune and 12 house colocations
leo and sagittarius can make someone ingenuos
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