posted December 25, 2016 02:11 PM              

"Composite moon-Venus is a skipped step? Or just the moon?"
Well I`d like to think of them as a bit of an unit, granted the conjunction is 6 degrees wide, but it looks like an unit there, as there are no other planets nearby.
So possibly both are a skipped step.

We hve something similiar going on with the Mars-Pluto-conjunction. Is it really a conjunction?
The orb is wider than what I am comfortable with (though I am strict), it is 7°54, so just shy of 8 degrees (maybe it is still valid even).

However the midpoints are rather closish to each other AND to the nodal axis

Mars/Pluto 19°11 Libra
Moon/Venus 19°27 Cap

NN 20°46 Libra

I suppose it is still close enough to pick it up.

So to answer your question,k yes probably Moon-Venus is a skipped step, and Moon is in any case.

Venus square NN 4°44
Moon square NN 2°06

The Moon also "picks up" his natal Venus, which is square his Pluto, falling onto our composite NN

c-Moon 22°52 Cap
his Venus 25°55 Cap

c-NN 20°46 Libra
his Pluto 21°23 Libra

Of course you can see how the transiting Uranus has been creating some chaos on our nodal axis. lol

Actually the transits today to our composite are those:

Tr Pluto trine c-IC 0°06 s (with Eros-Priapus on it)
Tr Pluto conjunct c-Venus 0°42 s
Tr Pluto square c-Pluto 1°29 s

Tr Venus trine NN 0°16 a
Tr Saturn sextile NN 0°17 a
Tr Uranus conjunct SN 0°22 S
Tr Jupiter conjunct NN 0°30 a
(oh we have Jupiter on NN? did not realize before. lol)
Tr Venus opposite SAturn 1°10 a
Tr Saturn rine Saturn 1°10 a
Tr Uranus trine Saturn 1°16 s
Tr Jupiter sextile Saturn 1°23 a

As you can maybe see, we have NN in partile sextile with Saturn (of course that means that Mars-Amor-Cupido are sextile Saturn as well, and well)

" Does that feel ominous to you at all though? Or...well Saturn is domicile in the 10th so it's expected to function well there."

I donīt know yet. All I know is that it seems... significant. Saturn is also widely conjunct Sun (6 degrees), and will continue to close in onto my natal Sun-Mercury during the year.

P has got the same thing in his Solar Return Saturn on MC and widely conjunct Sun (7 degrees)

So naturally our composite Solar Return has that as well, In fact HERE Saturn is EXACT on the MC on 19 Sag (10 minutes orb), and makes a Grand trine with Moon on 19 Leo in 6th (2 degrees off the natal c-Saturn) and Uranus on 20 Aries in 1st.

The NN is falling onto the DESC with an orb of 1°47 and will somewhen in the first month(s) or so cross that line.

Interesting. Of course we both have NN near our Solar DESC`s as well, but it is in the composite that it comes into tight orb.

Oh and I was wrong, Saturn was not part of a Grand trine, but Kite, with the Uranus-Jupiter-opposition as backbone.

Saturn 19 Sag
MC 19 Sag

Moon 19 Leo

Uranus 20 Aries

Jupiter 19 LIbra

So the arrow of that kite points at Jupiter in LIbra in 7th house here.

As for what Saturn means on the MC for me individually (actually Juno is pretty close, too, and that is interesting as it is a repetition of a Juno-Saturn-aspect, a trine for me, a sextile for him, and in my case it is the closest aspect in my natal with just one minute of orb, for him it is not as tight but still partile)

But anyway for me personally in the Solar Return it is like this

Juno 14°06 Sag
MC 17°19 Sag
Saturn 19°40 Sag

hence the MC is on the Saturn/Juno-mp with an orb of 25 minutes.

Though this is not even the tightest direct midpoints in my Solar Return.

The tightest important one might be

Jupiter conjunct Sun/Moon 0°04

posted December 25, 2016 11:11 PM            

K, I followed all that!

Not commenting point for point but some of it is and no wonder you two are on hugging terms now, and who knows what comes next.

"The Moon also 'picks up' his natal Venus, which is square his Pluto, falling onto our composite NN"

Sometimes it seems like he should have been the one to pick up on everything first...and it seems like he actually did.

"Of course you can see how the transiting Uranus has been creating some chaos on our nodal axis. lol"

Mostly good chaos!

"So naturally our composite Solar Return has that as well"

Wow, composite SR, never tried that. I think it's not available at astro.com.

"So the arrow of that kite points at Jupiter in LIbra in 7th house here."

That's why I'm your unofficial couples therapist . Getting you to think about the hard questions. Of course I have no credentials but someone has to come to the rescue.

"The tightest important one might be
Jupiter conjunct Sun/Moon 0°04"

You're so good with the grand finales. That's just amazing. I cannot wait to see how it plays out!

Off topic:

My SR for 2017 almost gave me a panic attack, except I've never actually had a panic attack, but I was not happy at all seeing sun-Pluto square moon-Uranus, tight. :-/

But I think Venus is on the moon-Pluto midpoint. (I only sloppily calculated it because I wanted a certain answer, and I achieved that by rushing through the process.)

Also I'm seeing tr Neptune inching up to my moon within the next 6 months. Looking forward to that.

On topic:

posted December 26, 2016 03:32 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Yes, Sun/19*41' Aries
Asc. @ 19*56'/Sag

Some good, some not so good.
But all in all it's shaping up now that Saturn has passed into the first house.

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Your ascendant is conjunct my dad's.

posted December 26, 2016 05:17 AM              

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posted December 26, 2016 05:22 AM              

20° Libra Jupiter A Rabbi Performing His Duties

20° Sag Saturn In An Old-Fashioned Northern Village Men Cut The Ice Of A Frozen Pond For Use During The Summer

20° Aqua Venus A Large White Dove Bearing A Message

20° Pisces Chiron A Table Set For An Evening Meal

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posted December 26, 2016 07:07 AM              

" and no wonder you two are on hugging terms now, and who knows what comes next."

Haha, though I think that was a singular event. Don`t think it`s going to be ritualized.
Though I wouldn`t mind if it was (happening more often).

It`s actually strange to think that for years I was almost neurotic in avoiding any kind of physical contact with anyone, even hugs were just sort of awkward to me.

But in recent months I really developed an openness to that. Not just in relation to him, but generally. I decidedly have become more huggable I think. But I like it that way. Maybe the phase when my pr Moon was in Leo had something to do with that?

Well now it is in Virgo, but I still like hugging. lol
Of course I am still selective in who is allowed to hug me or whom I am hugging. For me, even in the more casual relationships/ connections, it is still a sign of at least a certain affinity/ sympathy and willingness to let someone close, and no, that does not relate to any random person. So still pretty picky/ selective about whom I am hugging, but my selections itself have branched out a little.

"Sometimes it seems like he should have been the one to pick up on everything first...and it seems like he actually did."
Yes, in some way it seems like this almost. That on some level he did pick up on it first, but I was stubbornly resisting that realization. And on top of that having had the habit to disappear for years and lately months at a time, always just fluttering in and out of his life, and usually not even staying long enough for a chat or whatever and then fluttering away again (almost like a butterfly, LOL adding to that symbolism the fact that usually these periods happened in spring and summer but not in winter. ).

Even last year I disappeared on him completely for november and december, despite our nice connection we had a bit before, but hey, I had perfectly good reasons for that!

It`s really only in recent months that we`ve been in sporadic, but continuous contact (not always seeing each other, but it seems like the communication has not really broken off for the last months, even though it had not been THAT frequently, but it has been ongoing, so that was a difference I guess. No real disappearance on my part, though not pushing my presence on him either. )

"Mostly good chaos!"
Haha, who knows? Some people might have a different opinion on this. But we both have Venus-Pluto-square natally, so it`s like it gives us a chance to work this one out or work with it, because whenever we are close we sort of trigger it in each other. Which for two Sags is not the most comfortable feeling ever of course. lol

As for the composite Moon on 22 Cap (which btw also is conjunct my AVX and Sun/Moon-mp) - it is EXACTLY conjunct the Jupiter on our first meeting chart.
So when we first met Tr Jupiter was conjunct composite Moon exact (and Tr Juno was on our c-Sun with just one minute of orb).

Anyway interestingly when we "re-connected", well the first small step of it, Tr Jupiter was opposite c-Moon exactly.

"Wow, composite SR, never tried that. I think it's not available at astro.com."
You can do it yourself.
Just make the individual Solar Returns, save them to the data file as natal charts, and then do a composite.

I`ve done that with ours just NOW, actually, and also cause we of course always have almost the same Solar Return (just one day apart) and even our angles are usually within 10 degrees of each other in a Solar Return, so I thought the perfection or exacting of constellations in the composite might be of special interest.

BTW I did that for last years Solar Return as well, in which we had these major features:

ASC in Scorpio, Pluto in 2nd house
conjunct Merucry
square Uranus in 4th but conj. 5th cusp
square Lilith in 10th
sextile Venus in 12th

So it is easy to see, that for the last year our connection was very Plutonic and that Pluto was actually the apex of a T-square with Uranus-Lilith (surprising yet sort of rule-breaking things), and Pluto was conjunct Mercury, so possibly related to communication and doing quite some thinking, which would revolve of course around the value of the connection itself and the here-and-now physicality and manifestation of it (2nd house).

This SR ASC was in our n c 10th house, and SR Pluto conjunct c-Venus in our 12th house.

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The other big formation was

Jupiter on MC conjunct NN
opposite Moon on SN in 4th house (his n ASC btw)
square Sun right before the 2nd house cusp

We were having a waxin quarter Moon in our Solar Return composite (I had this one in my own as well, I think his Moon was too far away for him having one though), always a decisive time, and it aligned with angular Jupiter, as seems fitting for two Sags I think.

Though interstingly while Jupiter was on MC and therfore the bit that was seen easily, what was in the underbelly of the chart, was Moon in Pisces on the SN in 4th house
(falling onto our n composite Ceres).

I always keep looking towards the 4th house and IC to see what is REALLY going on. angularity on MC can be wonderful, but can also be used to sort of sprinkle some glamour-dust over what is really going on underneath, esp. if there is an opposition from 10th to 4th.

Even more under-belly-like of course was Chiron in 3rd house conjunct IC by 1 degree.
Exhausting, right?
I guess we were lucky to have it trine Venus in Scorpio in the 12th house - sort of hidden of course, both very hidden, but potentially healing?

It was also a combo that was a repeated aspect from our composite (Venus trine IC), and I read those warrant special attention in any solar return, if natal aspects get repeated
(for me personally next year this will be Mars on ASC for example)

"Of course I have no credentials but someone has to come to the rescue."
Haha, I love you do.
Though I always think you are seeing us too positive, but then again you`ve said all along that there would be a hug eventually, and I certainly did not believe that for a second, esp. in the beginning, but seems you were right.

"That's just amazing. I cannot wait to see how it plays out!"
me neither.

Jupiter conjunct Sun/Moon sounds pretty good.

"JUPITER TO MIDPOINT SUN/MOON
Over-abundance through relationship. Joi de vivre. Healthy mental attitude, success through partnership, expansion of joint ventures;
marriage, birth.Fortunate friendships. A fortunate marriage. The increase in the family. Child-birth."

Well in the Solar Return Jupiter is placed in 7th house in Libra and ruling the MC, it seems sort of pronounced, and I guess the fortunate development, if it is fortunate, would have to do with the 7th and 10th house in particular.

"My SR for 2017 almost gave me a panic attack, except I've never actually had a panic attack, but I was not happy at all seeing sun-Pluto square moon-Uranus, tight. :-/"
I understand that.

On the other hand, I was having the Sun-Moon-square in my last Solar Return, and it usually means a point of crisis, yes, but in the terms of an important stepping stone on your path, some decisions brewing, some meaningful development taking place.

for you it is also a waxing quarter Moon, so you are actually seeing first results, of the recent New Moon, some years ago. Or well you are on the path of building something towards a completion (the opposition)

"The life force of the evolving soul activates the personality by taking direct action to anchor the vision and build a similar structural foundation to support the larger purpose that is yet to be revealed. The flow of energy is forceful and direct, clearing away obstacles in order to build strong forms."

https://www.demetra-george.com/resources/articles/95-the-lunation-cycle

In my case last year the quarter Moon was aligned with Moon on SN and Jupiter on NN, so Jupiter and the nodal axis, which was certainly interesting.

Of course for you it looks much more dramatic with Pluto on Sun and Uranus on Moon. I think it will be a year of change, if not externally, you will change your perspective of things.

Since Sun-Pluto is in 4th house to me this feels like a restructuring of the home or family life has to be done, and with Moon-Uranus in 7th house, you will need more emotional space and demand your emotional rights more assertively than you used to do. This might be esp. pronounced 3 months after your birthday, as by then Moon will be progresing to the exact conjunction of Moon.
However that Moon-Uranus is on your Jupiter in your natal chart, so I think this will actually be exhilarating and be a very good thing, feeling expansive and free emotionally, maybe to the surprise of yourself, and yes you might meet someone (it is in 7th house), your relationship or pattern of relationship might change.

To be honest I think either your marriage will change in positive ways that give you more a feeling of fulfillment and joy, or it will break down completely; I think if it cannot bend, then it will break and a divorce might be the conclusion.
Sorry to tell it so harshly, and you know that it is not a must, it can be prevented, but the question is with that Solar Return-image, would you even want to?

Whatever will happen however, I do think with your natal Jupiter be involved, it will be to your benefit after all, and esp the Moon-Uranus on your Jupiter will give you a spark of feeling very alive once again.

It could even be that you will fall in love (be it with your husband or someone else), if you do, probably with someone you already know, maybe already loved.

ASC in Libra indicates that relationships and all Venusian things are pronounced, Venus the chartruler is in Pisces on SN (makes me think of a soulmate connection) in 5th house of falling in love.

That Venus is on the Moon/Pluto-mp and Sun/Uranus and square Sun/Jupiter

and The node on Uranus/Pluto, and square Sun/Jupiter and Jupiter/Pluto

See how the change-inducing planets (Sun-Pluto, Moon-Uranus) are all pulled together under the focal point of Venus, who happens to be chartruler next year, and being exalted in Pisces and in 5th house (which is said to be the joy of Venus I Think in medieval astrology).

Whatever will happen, it seems to have a clear purpose aligned with you letting love and more so the joy of love and a feeling of meaningfulness into your life, no matter if it is within your marriage or outside of it.

As for the interpretations of the midpoint pictures I named

Venus = Moon/Pluto
A strong power of feeling, vivid powers of expression. Sudden intensification of amorous feeling and emotion.

Venus = Sun/Uranus
Sudden outbursts of affection and love, the tendency to fall in love quickly. Romantic or unusual experiences of love.Unexpected affection or love. Sudden events concerning love. Romantic love. To be ecstatic over love. A happy surprise.

Venus = Sun/Jupiter
To physically feel happy because of love. Healthy love-relationship, healthy sex life. The beautiful body, good art. Recognition, honours.

Personally I think you might fall in love (don`t forget your natal Jupiter rules your 5th house too) and it will change your life.
(either that or you might get pregnant again, but Iīd more bet on the falling in love scenario).

"But I think Venus is on the moon-Pluto midpoint."
It is with half a degree only I think.

"It was a little spooky for me to see that George Michael died today when he also had his nodes @ 20°. And his moon, 20° Leo, grand trining Saturn and Uranus. Seems like it should have been so much better? But who knows, maybe he is indeed better off now."
Yes, but that often happens. Death charts seem to frequently have very harmonious aspects or so called harmonious ones, the Grand trine is not really that harmonious, I mean it means there are these midpoints

Moon = Saturn/Uranus
Uranus = Moon/Saturn
Saturn = Moon/Utranus

(curiously often a Shall I stay or shall I go? constelaltion).

But anyway I read he was passing away peacefully so m aybe that is that.

posted December 26, 2016 08:39 AM              

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posted December 27, 2016 11:03 AM            

By the way, is it just me or do you look like the girl Elvis almost married?

^^ A little? Her hair wasn't always that short. (June Juanico)

@Ceri

posted December 27, 2016 01:18 PM              

By the way, is it just me or do you look like the girl Elvis almost married?

[[/IMG]

w-ow! Yes. I think she does.

posted December 27, 2016 01:49 PM            

^ One of my favorite books

posted December 27, 2016 02:52 PM              

(leaving it until you answer)
Yes, she does, especially when I have a retro hair. When I look at her other pictures, she looks a lot like my Italian granny

She does look like a Scorpio Sun!

...and what a grip. In the Elvis photo

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posted December 27, 2016 07:26 PM            

He had good taste.

posted December 28, 2016 12:00 AM            

"....usually not even staying long enough for a chat or whatever and then fluttering away again (almost like a butterfly, LOL adding to that symbolism the fact that usually these periods happened in spring and summer but not in winter."

Oooo I love that you caught that (and I'm thinking of a butterfly net now, to catch thoughts with.)

"It`s really only in recent months that we`ve been in sporadic, but continuous contact"

Momentum.

"As for the composite Moon on 22 Cap (which btw also is conjunct my AVX and Sun/Moon-mp) - it is EXACTLY conjunct the Jupiter on our first meeting chart."

See, and hasn't that already played out as one might interpret it? "This meeting is auspicious."

"So when we first met Tr Jupiter was conjunct composite Moon exact (and Tr Juno was on our c-Sun with just one minute of orb)."

Hahaha such a Sag, alluding to the marriage-asteroid in parentheses. Like, let's not even go there. LOL

"Anyway interestingly when we "re-connected", well the first small step of it, Tr Jupiter was opposite c-Moon exactly."

I love astrology <3 Oh and I was reading your SR composite for this past year with interest...just not commenting on everything, but...

"Even more under-belly-like of course was Chiron in 3rd house conjunct IC by 1 degree.
Exhausting, right?"

Maybe representing wishful thinking on both sides to be more in each other's homes....

"Though I always think you are seeing us too positive, but then again you`ve said all along that there would be a hug eventually, and I certainly did not believe that for a second, esp. in the beginning, but seems you were right."

It's my sun on your composite Venus, I think.

"https://www.demetra-george.com/resources/articles/95-the-lunation-cycle"

Thank you!

"In my case last year the quarter Moon was aligned with Moon on SN and Jupiter on NN, so Jupiter and the nodal axis, which was certainly interesting."

Wasn't it a good year, though?

As for me....who knows........

I appreciate your SR reading but it's always hard to imagine anything changing. Seems like if I could have each year told to me in advance, open it up like a gift and see all the good surprises in there, I would be ecstatic, but as they come trickling in little by little, there might be too much a tendency to take things for granted...or just focus on all the negative things happening simultaneously with the good.

"Whatever will happen however, I do think with your natal Jupiter be involved, it will be to your benefit after all, and esp the Moon-Uranus on your Jupiter will give you a spark of feeling very alive once again."

Mmm...I'm already feeling that, maybe from another source, maybe just the simple fact that the sun is in Capricorn, and I feel affected by it. More emotional than usual. Not in a pleasant way but in an alive way.

"It could even be that you will fall in love (be it with your husband or someone else), if you do, probably with someone you already know, maybe already loved."

Colin Firth might put out a new movie.....

"ASC in Libra indicates that relationships and all Venusian things are pronounced, Venus the chartruler is in Pisces on SN (makes me think of a soulmate connection) in 5th house of falling in love."

Me?

"See how the change-inducing planets (Sun-Pluto, Moon-Uranus) are all pulled together under the focal point of Venus, who happens to be chartruler next year, and being exalted in Pisces and in 5th house (which is said to be the joy of Venus I Think in medieval astrology)."

I see this but cannot fathom anything happening at all......

Unless I sign up for FB finally and start contacting all my exes and stirring up mischief. Which I probably should do eventually. I mean, one has to live a little, right? (I'm giggling to myself as I write this. Doubtful I will even venture into FB).

"Whatever will happen, it seems to have a clear purpose aligned with you letting love and more so the joy of love and a feeling of meaningfulness into your life..."

Cheers to that, let's hope so! And thanks for the happier news.

"Personally I think you might fall in love (don`t forget your natal Jupiter rules your 5th house too) and it will change your life.
(either that or you might get pregnant again, but Iīd more bet on the falling in love scenario)."

I don't know what to say.

Maybe I will just start a new skin care routine and have nicer skin (?). Sounds more like a more plausible and comfortable way to deal with Venus.

posted December 28, 2016 06:35 AM              

"Oooo I love that you caught that (and I'm thinking of a butterfly net now, to catch thoughts with.)"
Haha, and yes, it struck me deeply that he picked THIS particular symbolism in his song; of course he has his own reasons to do so, but the symbol of the butterfly is just so tightly interwoven with my life.

Well, some friends, independently, have compared me to a butterfly (though I never understood why), and I remember especially when being younger, butterflies were flocking to me, when I was a kid even the dying ones, I seemed to find a lot of fading butterflies on the ground. At first I would bury them, but only when I was very young, because other kids told me, too, but then at one point I refused to do so, and just put them on a nearby flower, as just everything around me revolted putting those creatures of the air and the light into the dark stuffiness of the earth. It just felt wrong.

And even now when I am sitting somewhere and being very centred, very often butterflies will flutter over to me, sit down on the rim of my glasses or the top of my head.

Apart from that that song or that line in the song struck me also, cause I was suddenly reminded of a poem I wrote many years ago, when I was still a teenager, and it was actually for a friend of mine who was caught up in a highly dysfunctional relationship, but her boyfriend just couldn`t let go of her, it was almost something existential to him. It was a very sad thing actually.

Anyway I was writing this poem "The flower and the butterfly", and recalling it it was about how the butterfly and the flower had spent a magical beautiful carefree happy summer with each other, but when autumn came, the butterfly knew it was time to move on. But the flower was pleading and begging the butterfly so much to stay, that against better knowledge, instinct and feeling, the butterfly stayed with the flower, long into autumn. But then when the first snow touched its wings, the butterfly died, because it had stayed too long.

There was also another poem I wrote, which featured butterflies, but that was about my own situation, and it was much happier and carefree in an earnest way. But that one I mentioned? I remember when I had written it down, I was startled myself at the radical sadness in it (there were quite poems created of that emotional state, in the years of 1992-1994.).

In a strange but strong way his song brought back the memory of this poem to me.

Additionally and that is just beyond curious to me, in my Solar Return that started THAT day, I have an exact conjunction of Mars and ASC, and also on the same degree as my true Black Moon Lilith. my pr Venus is on that same degree, though will enter the next degree at the end of february (right around the time my Solar ARc Moon will enter 00 Aries which I consider interesting)

28-29 Aquarius
"A Butterfly Emerging From A Chrysalis"

Seeing that the SR ASC is there as well, this seems to be the theme of 2017 for me. lol

Curious right? So many coincidences surrounding this one symbol? Sometimes it feels like we are acting out a script, that we are not aware of consciously, but somehow know the words nevertheless.

posted December 28, 2016 07:03 AM              

""It`s really only in recent months that we`ve been in sporadic, but continuous contact"

Momentum.

"See, and hasn't that already played out as one might interpret it? "This meeting is auspicious.""

Yes for me it absolutely has proved to be very auspicious!

That Jupiter was also chartruler of the first meeting chart, as the ASC of it was on 9 Sag, which of course is a very symbolic degree for us as well.

Jupiter in the FMC is conjunct Antivertex by 1 degree, sextile Uranus exact, quinkunx Mercury and trine Venus.

The most aspect of Jupiter is the sextile to Uranus in 3rd house (which is widely conjunct his natal ASC).

And midpoint wise there are some interesting direct midpoints, though not all very happy of course.

For example the conjunction of Node and Chiron falls onto the Jupiter/Uranus-mp which is sort of interesting.

posted December 28, 2016 10:31 AM              

"Anyway interestingly when we "re-connected", well the first small step of it, Tr Jupiter was opposite c-Moon exactly."

"Maybe representing wishful thinking on both sides to be more in each other's homes...."
No I donīt think Chiron represents wishful thinking ever.

But I`ve been through a rather Chironic year with Chiron on the IC in my Solar Return and Chiron on the DESC in my Venus Return.

We both know just how transformative it has been, but even though we tend to focus on the "highlights", there have been growing pain phases in between, as you remember maybe.
And there has been tremendous pain and exhausting emotional demands being put on me, too, just due to circumstances (not only having to do with P, but there were other things happening, too ), and I`ve had to live up to that task, which was taxing emotionally, bringing me really onto what I could bear, bringing the awareness of our mortality and finality, but curiously also at the same time the sense of the immortal and infinite and just expanding beyond all that at the same time. Yes, I`d say that was quite chironic.

I`ve also exchanged the attachement to a dream for the curiosity (but with less attachment) for a reality. opening up to all potential really, even the potential of letting go.

It`s funny how that process really opened up closer interaction though. lol

Interesting too, in respect to chiron, how my best friend`s Sun was conjunct my Solar Return MC, and of course opposed by Chiron, which for her meant of course that her year was overshadowed by a one degree opposition of Chiron to Sun and an exact square of SAturn on 29 Scorpio to Moon - we both know just how sadly accurate this picture is.

plus it was Mercury, which natally rules her 4th house, which was conjunct the Moon/Saturn-mp, so the Moon-Saturn-square probably was related to that Mercury, affecting her 4th house mainly. It`s creepy, isn`t it?

The square to Pluto didn`t help either. Gosh, I am so happy I had not looke dup that Solar Return in advance.

BTW the midpoint interpretations of

Mercury= Pluto = Moon/Saturn

Prudence, maturity, sense of duty; sadness and perhaps depression, especially among women. Separation

and

The threat of loss, the need to rely upon oneself only, the inclination or necessity to rise in life by using force and go one's way alone.
Organic suffering due to strong feelings; separation from wife or mother.

sometimes the midpoint interpretations downright scare me!!!

(mental note: maybe checking those challenging aspects in a Solar Return in terms of what planet might activate their midpoint! I guess the fact that Moon was square Saturn in her Solar Return intensified the effect)

"Wasn't it a good year, though? "
It was. It was an outstandingly tremendously IMPORTANT year in my own development. Was it good?
Well the good stuff was so good it was overwhelming, and the bad stuff was really sorrowful. It was an emotionally extreme year I`d say. With different phases.

BTW following my own mental note.

Jupiter was conjunct NN
Jupiter was opposing MOon
Sun was square Jupiter
Sun was square NN
Sun was square Moon

coming with these midpoints

"Chiron = Moon/IC 1°04
Moon = Jupiter/MC 1°04)
Moon = Node/MC 0°49
Jupiter = Chiron /SN 0°48
Jupiter = Moon/SN 0°49

So, Moon, Chiron, Jupiter, Node and IC-MC all rolled into one.

"More emotional than usual. Not in a pleasant way but in an alive way."
No it is not always pleasant. But it is honest and real and alive.

"Colin Firth might put out a new movie....."
I`d like that, too.

"Me?"
Yeah, or Colin Firth - lol. Does his placements trigger your Solar Return in some way?

"I see this but cannot fathom anything happening at all......"
That is the best actually. You will never know how something really plays out, though in retrospect it usually makes sense.

"Maybe I will just start a new skin care routine and have nicer skin (?). Sounds more like a more plausible and comfortable way to deal with Venus."
that is a great venus project, as well.

Another one would be falling in love with yourself.

posted December 28, 2016 09:32 PM            

Just noticed my SR for 2017 has Cancer ASC, I wonder how you got Libra?

2018 has Libra ASC with Venus @ 15 Cap...ha, if I live through 2017, that is my reward.

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Another one would be falling in love with yourself.

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Thanks, but I'm not my type. We have bad synastry.

posted December 29, 2016 08:47 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
On topic:

Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds' composite sun @ 20° Cap square transiting Jupiter & Uranus.

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20? impressive!

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posted December 31, 2016 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
20° Aries Uranus
20° Libra Jupiter
20° Sag Saturn
20° Aqua Venus
20° Pisces Chiron

Do you have anything @ 20°?

My nodal axis is there. I feel weird, let's just say.

But in a more positive light, the Saturn/Uranus trine is supposed to help everyone out:

http://cafeastrology.com/

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Thank you for your post Faith - and all of the interesting responses.
I think about the 20s a lot:

20° Pisces Saturn
20° Aries/Libra MC/IC

22° Sag Vertex
22° Gemini Jup
22° Pisces Chiron
22° Scorpio Nep

22 is a big number.

That 20° Saturn/Sag is lighting up everything right now:
conjuncts Vertex/Sag
opposes Jup/Gem
squares Sat/Pisces
squares Chiron/Pisces
Trines MC/Aries (which is conjunct transiting Ura)

Currently enjoying Saturn square Saturn and Chiron return right now.
Basically all of the mid-life transits are happening…

Lovin
Chiron/Neptune trine
Pluto/Pluto trine
Jupiter/IC conjunction
Saturn/Ura/MC trine

posted January 03, 2017 11:31 AM              

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Originally posted by mirage29:
((LeeLoo...? I believe that in Sabian, 20+ degrees = the whole-degree 21 in Rudhyar's system? But I much prefer that 20 Aries overcoming with compassion much better than the boxing ring image of 21. Maybe Uranus in retro prefers it? ..))

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Mirage!! Happy New Year, dear!

Yes, 20+ is 21, but since we were looking at 20 here, I symbolically looked at 19-20.

ahh what can we do, sometimes we have to get in that ring, right now we just knocked 2016 out

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posted January 03, 2017 11:36 AM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

ahh what can we do, sometimes we have to get in that ring, right now we just knocked 2016 out

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It`s the Sabian of my Chiron. lol

posted January 03, 2017 12:00 PM              

It's a pity we don't have many centaurides legends, apart from Hylonome, which is drama drama drama (quite romantic, though)
http://darkstarastrology.com/asteroid-hylonome/

Apart from the obvious, I suppose it could also mean a point where we sacrifice (for love?) (Hylonome 10370)

My Cancer Hylonome sq my Libra Merc/Mars/Pluto stellium exact hm and Chariklo in Aries, all three are 9° they form a neat Tsquare like an arrow

Chariklo, the Graceful Spinner probably wins
http://sophias-children.com/2014/03/31/chariklo-more-than-meets-the-eye/

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posted January 03, 2017 12:06 PM              

And hylonome and cyllarus yes.

I have Hylonome on 8 Cancer in 7th house
A Small Naked Girl Bends Over A Pond Trying To Catch A Fish

Cyllarus on 2 Cap in 1st house conj. my Vesta on 1 Cap
A Human Soul, In Its Eagerness For New Experiences, Seeks Embodiment

but my favourite is of course Chariklo

6°33 Aries in my chart conjunct IC, ALMA, AURA, GAEA, MAGION etc. lol

A Man Succeeds In Expressing Himself Simultaneously In Two Realms

I`ve always found it interesting that in our composite,

c-Chariklo is conjunct my Chiron
and
c-Chiron is conjunct his Chariklo