posted December 26, 2016 11:56 AM            

I never heard anything about it though.Do you see any effect?Some people say we should only give importance to SUN aspects.What do you think?

posted December 26, 2016 12:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Yes, it is significant - you have both Solar Return and Venus Return at the same time. A new relationship might begin as Venus is highlighted.
( my guy had this in his SR when we started our relationship ).

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posted December 26, 2016 12:55 PM            

SR sun conjuct natal venus 3 degrees

SR venus Rx conjucnt natal sun 2 degrees

SR venus Rx Conjuct natal venus within 1 degree

posted December 27, 2016 06:55 AM            

I`ve had this occur in 2015, SR Venus was conjunct my natal Venus by 3 degrees, and incidentally SR Venus was ALSO conjunct SR Pluto by 3 degrees (just to the other side).

n Venus 6 Cap
SR Venus 9 Cap
SR Pluto 12 Cap

The Venus-Pluto-conjunction was a repeated aspect from my natal incidentally.

That combo fell into the 4th house of the Solar Return Chart and was also square Uranus on 12 Aries in 7th house and (widely) square NN on 17 Libra in 1st house but within one degree of conjunct 2nd house cusp.

Natally that T-square fell into my 4th-10th-1st house.
Venus natally rules the 5th, 6th and 10th for me.

I did not begin a relationship that year, at least not in a traditional romantic sense.
However there was a tremendous change in relating starting to happen, one that I am still seeing evolve.
Including getting pulled into social relations/ groups, getting to know a lot of people, including some that turned out to stay around in my life incidentally; it involved more direct connectin/ interacting/ communicating with... people.
Plus I think it was during that year that I started doing those workshops at our school, which were revolving around acting, comedy, theatre, creative writing etc. of course always in relation to how you guide young people in this regard (for the "literature course" at our school).

I do think it also planted the seed during that year that made me being able to dare attending that workshop (about singing) a week before christmas, without being able to sing really. But it turned out to be so much fun and fulfilling and even without singing (well I did some chorus rehearsal and singing) I`ve learned a lot, in terms of singing/ acting of course, but maybe even more so in terms of a more personal nature. lol

Of course by then the 2015 Solar Return had long gone, and I am not having Venus anywhere near my natal Venus this and next year (my Solar return happened on the day of the workshop, actually just half an hour after it started lol).

But my Venus-Return that had started about a months prior to this actually has VR ASC EXACT conjunct my natal ASC, and VR Mercury, as ruler of the DESC, is conjunct the VR and natal ASC exactly. all on 7 Sag.

That looks certainly like one of the more noteable Venus Returns.

(Except for the mentioned bit, there is also a Yod of Mercury-ASC on 7 Sag sextile Mars on 5 Aqua quinkunx Moon on 4 Cancer in 7th house, opposping Venus on 6 Cap, so yeah rather noteable and a little bit mushy with that Cancer-Moon).

I disgress though.

What I wanted to say however is that yes, if there is another Return happening within a few days of the Solar return that definitely IS important and the respective planetary symbolism will manifest strongly in the year to come.

posted December 27, 2016 07:16 AM            

Good luck guys.The contacts you have seems really good!!!!

Beautiful_Light

I hope so.This year has been drama and solitude!! haha (Sun in 12H)
I have a little bit of hope this year though (sun in 9H)

Bumblebee
That is a good thing too!

Ceridwen
All that seems so NICE!! Thanks a lot for sharing I need to get out of my house asap I'm really tired of resting.

posted December 27, 2016 07:26 AM            

Interestingly my Venus last year was in Scorpio in 12th house of Solar Return chart, yet it was not really all that reclusive, though feeling a bit intense. (it was overlaying my natal 11th house though).

Well this year SR Venus is still in Sr 12th house (but in Aqua) and in natal 2nd house, so I guess it will be a rather boring year, on the other hand how boring can it really be with the opposition to Leo-Moon?

Also the combination of 12th/ 2nd house just looks so weirdish, couldn`t get anymore contradictory than that, the most transcendental house coupled with the most tangible one. lol

We`ll see what this is going to mean for me.

posted December 27, 2016 08:04 AM            

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Also the combination of 12th/ 2nd house just looks so weirdish, couldn`t get anymore contradictory than that, the most transcendental house coupled with the most tangible one. lol

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yeah very different combination. lol

posted December 27, 2016 09:04 AM            

"I had in theory a good venus this year (11H too) but in conjunction with moon and saturn!
I donīt really believe in a houseplacement being good or bad (though angular placements make you stand out more I think), but to see if it is constructive or not so much, the aspects have to be taken into consideration. And with Moon and SAturn there it sounds more serious than a jolly good party time to me.

Of course Saturn does not have to be bad, but it makes things a little more serious.
NOt as lighthearted and fun. But of course also depends what other planets were aspecting that stellium.

"Good at the long run but so boring when is happening lol"
LOL Yes, I can see that. I rarely have Sun in 12th house in Solar Return, I think last time was 20 years ago. Moon in 12th comes up more often for me though.

" I don't know but I thing being reclusive is more about the sun really,the sun (main theme of your SR covered)"

Yes makes sense. Well Sun in 10th does seem pretty much "public" or "seen". I guess I will not be able to keep things hidden with that. Well Saturn is also conjunct MC and widely to the Sun and Juno conjuncts MC by 3 degrees from the 9th house.

And Sun is the ruler of DESC. Saturn rules 11th and 12th house.

Interestingly last year I was having a mutual house reception between 1st and 2nd and 2nd and 10th.

Ruler of 1st, Pluto, in 2nd; intercepted 2nd ruler, SAturn, in 1st.

Ruler of 2nd, Jupiter, in 10th (conj. NN), and ruler of 10th, Mercury, in 2nd.

This year that just started for me, has a mutual reception between 7th and 10th.
Ruler of 7th, Sun, in 10th (conj. Saturn and MC).
Ruler of 10th, Jupiter, in 7th (opp. Uranus. lol)

Of course Saturn on the MC looks .... exhausting. lol But at least it looks like both Sun and Saturn do not have any too nasty aspects.

Sun:
sextile Mars exactly on ASC (2)
trine Uranus (5)
(semisquare Venus exact)
( widely sesisquare Moon)

The 8th harmonic aspects are interesting, as I move from a waxing quarter Moon of last years Solar Return to a dissemanating one.
(which means of course that Sun is in 8th harmonic aspect to the Moon/Venus-mp, as Moon and Venus are opposite, not sure how important that is going to be, but it is noteworthy, as it connects the 12th house Venus with that angular Sun)

As for Saturn,

conjunct Sun (6)
conjunct MC (2)
sextile Jupiter exact
square Vertex exact (which is a repeated natal aspect, as natally I have him conjunct my Vertex)
trine Uranus exact

Except for the Vertex-square, that I have no clue what that is going to be about, it seems rather harmless.

There are no nasty midpoints associated with Saturn either.

The midpoints that Sun has within about 1 degree are:

Uranus/DESC
Mercury/NOde
Pluto/Node

Interesting, so the Mercury-Pluto-conjunction is connected to the nodal axis under the head/ focal point of Sun. Hmm.

A lot of intense thinking I suppose.

"but maybe venus in 12H could represent a secret relatioship what do you think?"
Yes, it makes sense in terms of the symbolism, though I am not really one for affairs.

" Or something like that.Finding beauty in 12H matters maybe? The SUN though is shining at a very exposed house "
Yes, and actually conjunct the ruler of 12th house right on the MC. LOL

So if secret relationships, chances are attempts to keep it secret gets blown right into my face? What do you think?

posted December 27, 2016 10:06 AM            

Yes you're right.Saturn kinda killed the happy time from my venus/moon.Very serious time.

Luck of you!I don't know if I ever had that before but now I will pass 12H sun. Moon is bad?? in 2020 I'm going to have 5 planets there!!! Including sun,again.Oh the joy

Since is MC we are talking about maybe saturn will not give you a headache maybe will give strength to do whatever you need to do.

Yeah with this conection between 10H/12H I think so! Lol would be hard to hide,if possible.You have a very different dynamic this year Ceri! Please update us in the end of your SR !!

posted December 27, 2016 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:

Beautiful_Light

I hope so.This year has been drama and solitude!! haha (Sun in 12H)
I have a little bit of hope this year though (sun in 9H)

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Originally posted by Empty Spaces:
I need to get out of my house asap I'm really tired of resting.

Thanks everyone!! Happy new year!! God help us all with the desire of our hearts!! 🙏

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Yeah, I am looking forward to some action again! This year's return I have Sun in 8th house. I traveled to 3 places but other than that I've been at home a lot too! Also got into Astrology...excited for Sun in 5th next May . I also have natal 9H Sun. Let's be friends! Happy New Year, and that is always my prayer too ^^.

Do you think location of Solar Return really matters? The only things that would change would be the house placements, right?

posted December 28, 2016 07:09 AM            

I did make a mental note though, that while SR Jupiter is not conjunct my MC, it is in 10th house, maybe it would need to be closer to the MC though.

Nevertheless combining the observation that in the SR itself I have a 7th/ 10th house ruler reception AND that one of the planets (ruler of 10th house) overlays SR 7th house and natal 10th house - so bringing up again the combo of 7th and 10th - well it deserves a mental note at least.

posted December 28, 2016 09:47 AM            

" Moon is bad??"
Hmm, bad?

I had that in

2005 (Pisces-Moon, conjunct n Jupiter exact)
2006 (Cancer-Moon, conjunct n Vertex and Sun/Moon-mp exact)
2013 (Aqua-Moon, conjunct n Moon by 5 degrees)
2014( Gem-Moon on 29°, opposing Sun)

Bad? I would be careful calling them that, thing is no year is inherently ONLY good or ONLY bad, at least in my experience.

It`s true however those were years that provided me with partly very hard experiences, but also with extraodinary events, that made me go like "Stuff like that only happens in fairy tales!"

I`d say they were very introspective and transformative - the path of transformation is a bit rough at times, and very rewarding at others.

Seems also that there is some strange 8 year rhtyhm, as next time I am going to have Moon in 12th is

2021: Moon in Aqua conjunct Saturn and Jupiter, with Pluto 9 degrees before Moon and Moon 8 degrees before ASC.

So basically a line up of Pluto, Jupiter, Saturn and Moon in 12th house (hey I have a Pluto-Jupiter ocnjunction again! I remember this one from Sagittarius in 2006)

well that year this SR Moon will be sextile Venus near the SR MC (which falls onto my natal ASC).
The only "nasty" aspect I can see is the square to natal Uranus. I guess a bit of a fight between old and new is to be expected.

and then in 2022
Moon on 9 Gemini in 12th, conjunct my natal SN and DESC
NN will be on 1 Gemini at that time.

Looks like a rather intense year 2022 anyway, for

SR DESC conjunct SR Mercury and natal Venus exact
SR Venus exact conjunct SR Pluto on 25-26 Cap (in 8th house of SR)
and the rulers of the horizon, Moon and Saturn, are trine within one degree.

But I guess first I have to go through the line up of Pluto-Jupiter-Saturn-Moon in 12th house the year before! I guess I could have picked something easier.

"Since is MC we are talking about maybe saturn will not give you a headache maybe will give strength to do whatever you need to do."
I suppose I will have to "do my Saturn", yes; can`t dodge reality or responisibilities next year I am sure.

"so I apologize if I say/said anything stupid."
You didn`t. I enjoy talking to you and hearing about your experiences. And did not notice you were a newbie, and it doesn`t matter anyway. Newbies can have great thoughts as well as oldies can have not so great thoughts.

"Not my mother tongue. "
Not mine either, so I did not notice that about you either.

posted December 28, 2016 11:04 AM            

I will tell you that I have noticed a deep transformation in how I am in relationships, I feel more in tune with my partner, more responsive and sensitive to his needs, more appreciative of him. I react more strongly internally to anything that I perceive as mean or unfair. I am more domestic, cooking for my partner and cleaning bc I want to, he was always the one who cooked but lately I am taking over that and am enjoying so much seeing him enjoy my meals and things I bake. I feel more in tune with this concept of partnership and doing my part in it ECT... Now that he is working I accommodate more to him and do things more for him to help him with his stress like I am more mindful of him.

posted December 28, 2016 11:09 AM            

No clue what this is, however that started around the time my Venus-Return took place - interstingly not the Solar return- and my Venus Return has Moon in Cancer in 7th house opposite Venus, as backbone of a Yod. lol

posted December 28, 2016 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
It is interesting what you say, about the baking and cooking, cause all my life I could not have been more disinterested in all of that (still disinterested in cleaning up mostly lol), but recently I suddenly found myself baking, even trying out new stuff, which is unheard of from me.

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posted December 28, 2016 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

No clue what this is, however that started around the time my Venus-Return took place - interstingly not the Solar return- and my Venus Return has Moon in Cancer in 7th house opposite Venus, as backbone of a Yod. lol

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posted December 28, 2016 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
yeah that must be it! Reinforced further by the solar return Moon and Venus opposition.

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Yes I actually like to look at my Venus-Return, it looks at me in a funny way, but i imagine it having a bit of a wink in its eye, but I can`t really fathom its meaning.

Plus it looks rather important that my natal ASC is on 7 Sagittarius as well!!!

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And coincidentally, exactly a month after it started, on the very day my diurnal chart had its ASC on 7 Sagittarius as well, I attended this workshop. OH and of course that very day my Solar Return happened. All a matter of timing I suppose.
And it was such a huge leap for me to attend this workshop, but it`s been so worth leaping out of my comfort zone.

posted December 28, 2016 01:44 PM            

Ha! In my Venus return I too have Moon in Cancer and it's opposing pluto in the 4H and forming a mystic rectangle with the nodes actually but is not activated tightly by my natal, I would say that my nodes are activating my venus return angles, more tightly the AC and DC. My natal south node is falling in my Venus return 4H and conjuncting under 5d my Venus return IC squaring under 3d my Venus return AC and DC.