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Topic: sympathy for the devil - Attracted to bad things
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Elise3090
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posted January 01, 2017 02:04 PM
  
Some young people(like me)are attracted to bad and tabu thing - death,sickness,sexuality,violence,incest,devil,misticism.... all the sins
what aspects indicate this?i feel that i'm obsessed,i dye my hair in black (my dream since 9 years old,i dye at first time in 12 years old),i feel so much angry,I have daydreams with death and suicide since I was a child.I'm a good person but so much indenfied with dark side of humam nature...i ask to myself...maybe is because i never passed to bad events in life as absolute misery (actually, in childhood yes, but my situation has improved) or death of a loved one??????????? Maybe I'm just a spoiled girl. The glorification of what is bad maybe offend who really lived in hideous situations you can observe this indentification with some social groups like gothic people,or people who like violent movies... ok,the most part of people definitely don't like these things...but,why i like? why i study this? Even if I hide my interests, people realize
*I was once asked if I do witchcraft, though I never gave any sign of it
(i don't do witchcrafit) *I've already been compared to morticia adams *Once there was an infestation of scorpions in my house because of the rain, I was asked if I these scorpions are my pet The only "obscure" thing about my appearance is my hair IP: Logged |
Bearee
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posted January 01, 2017 02:43 PM
I think people like that have had childhood trauma(s).
i don't think it's likely for a person with a normal and loving home to be like this later in life.IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted January 01, 2017 03:12 PM
Oh, nevermind. I haven't the energy for it, sorry. Just go with what you like and stuff. IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted January 01, 2017 03:56 PM
I've always been fascinated with death ever since I was young. I've always felt very calm in near-death situations, my heartbeat tends to actually slow down, it's strange ( does not mean that I won't do anything to save my a$$, I actually might be better equipped to deal with the situation than the ones that pray to god to save their a$$ ). Used to watch lots of horror movies along with my Scorpio Sun(plus Mars + Pluto + Mercury) cousin. Both of us were also very much curious about ghosts and the underworld, we actually nearly succeded in inviting ghosts through ouija board but she chickened out at the last moment, and I'm glad about it, both of us were completely unaware of its dangers. Sickness ? idk, I prefer to be healthy than sick. I was frequently sick as a kid, so I really don't like to rest in bed while the other people are out having fun. Sexuality, ofcourse. Sexual energy contains far more potential than we usually realize. Violence is also interesting to me, I think there are many things we do without us realizing which are like a bit like a catharsis for our violent tendencies. I think we are born with violent tendencies, we have evolved from the animal world afterall, survival of the fittest. It's upto us to transcend it. Incest ? I'm curious about it. Is it natural to not find someone related sexually attractive, or is it something that has been instilled upon us by the society? I am not sure. I think it might be one of those things people try out just because society calls it taboo, if it is allowed, it might lose its charm. If two adults have sex with consent, I am fine with it, taboo? not taboo? I'd leave that for society to worry about. Devil ? Idk, haven't encountered one yet. Mysticism ? This is a subject I've delved into in recent years, and it is vast, has a world of its own. IP: Logged |
Gemini30
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posted January 01, 2017 04:03 PM
Pluto. It's aaaaaaalll pluto. I love that energy and yes, I too have "sympathy for the devil." That was always one of my favorite songs from the Stones since I first heard it at 7 years old. IP: Logged |
Kiimberly
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posted January 01, 2017 04:23 PM
Pluto Pluto Pluto ^^^^^^^👍👍👍If you're a millennial, you've got Pluto in Scorpio. Generationally we've already got the ruler of darkness at home in his sign....I find that this means any other Scorpio/8th house placements and Pluto aspects are even more intensified. Taboo & dark things have become more acceptable and common. What trends and subcultures were previously uncommon or fringe became mainstream in this generation. Pluto doesn't have time for facades, hiding the darkness as though it doesn't exist. The more Pluto, the more likely you are to have learned or be learning this lesson. Imo. IP: Logged |
MoonMystic
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posted January 01, 2017 05:26 PM
Pluto, Mars, Uranus, BML, Vesta and a few random asteroids like Pan 4450 (basis of dark and sexual basis), Lucifer 1930 (one's darker side), Leviathan 8813, the monster within, Nymph 875 and Sirene 1009. How does your 8H and 12H look? Scorpio in one of those or even Pisces? Are there any powerful aspects in or touching 8&12?I spent a few years feeling goth like. I never dressed the role, yet black was my go to apparel. These might be a lengthy Pluto tr too. Have you checked your transits? IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted January 01, 2017 05:32 PM
I was (am) that way. What I was going to mention is that it's usually the typical--Scorpio, Pluto, 8th house placements, BML.I have all of these strong in my chart (Scorpio not as much, but still my IC is at 0 Scorpio, conjunct Uranus, all trine my BML/Sun in 8th). I grew up with ghost stories (kind of macabre ghost stories, really), and I couldn't get enough of them. My great-aunts would tell us stories about dreams they had when they knew someone was dying (they would dream about teeth falling out), or when someone was pregnant (blue or pink ribbons), and one great-aunt who had visited a witch doctor in Mexico where she lived, etc.
I had a great-aunt who lived in Louisiana who read coffee grounds. I could not get enough of their stories as a kid. I used to read a lot of Anne Rice books when I was younger, which are filled with incest and the macabre (although I'm obviously not attracted to my family members). Mostly The Witching Hour series, not so much into vampires. My life has generally had the theme of delving into many "dark" taboos. They are dark, actually. I tend to avoid most of those taboos at this point in my life, having had enough experience with them to suffice my curiosity and be pleased that I'm still alive. I used to watch all of the real Cold Case Files (not the ones with acting in them, but the documentaries), and The Dead Files. I don't as much anymore, because I've noticed it messes up my energy. I do still watch The Dead Files, though.  I still listen to '80s goth and post punk music like Joy Division, Bauhaus (although I prefer Love and Rockets), Siouxsie and the Banshees, etc. They were my favorites growing up. But yeah, the standard recipes, I would think. Scorpio, Pluto, 8th house, BML (Black Moon Lilith). IP: Logged |
soren
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posted January 01, 2017 05:33 PM
for me my obsession when i was around 12 was aliens, my natal & progressed for that time had many many deep fire (aries) influence, also my chart was very narrowly focused to a single focus. each chart shape behaves a bit differently, and my p. chart using my horizon made me have a very single focused mind, i would search up aliens for hours when i was 12. until one night i heard "clicks" coming from my window and then i just ran upstairs and then i never looked up aliens after that. also i was looking up ghosts too. i think the over prevalence of fire kind of made me insensitive so to quench my thirst to "feel" more out of life those are the types of things i would pursue. so really i think it comes down to your chart shape & element balance, something is "too much" which isn't really a bad thing, but means you will get balance a different way than most, most might naturally be balanced, you are a bit less naturally balanced than most. IP: Logged |
Gemini30
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posted January 01, 2017 05:35 PM
You know the funny thing about all that is taboo when it comes sexuality is incest. Most of us already talking about the "dirty" side of sex except incest. Incest is frowned upon practically everywhere. However, I will admit that I have had sexual fantasies about my cousins and some aunts. I didn't grow up with them so sometimes my mind drifts and appreciates their sexual attractiveness. I find it normal though. Will I act upon those fantasies? Probably not. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted January 01, 2017 05:39 PM
well also gay is frowned upon by many, yet imagine we lived in a world where it was possible for 2 men to get pregnant together, i believe then gay would no longer be frowned upon, you would see 2 guys having a child together, and it would be looked at as sacred. i think that is the only reason why people praise regular straight relationships is because its possible to bare a child, there is something sacred about that. i believe if 2 men could naturally have a child, people would respect it most likely. and about incest, it's the same reason, i think there is a higher working as to why its frowned upon, it's not just because "ew gross" but more so that there is actually a factual litteral terrible thing that it destroys genetics, anyone who has an incest baby is basically largely pollluted our human gene pool. its incredibly frowned upon. cause yeah the bigger reaction is not usually that a guy maade out with his sister, or even 'did it', even though its a bit weird, which is what people might think, but i think the 'aggh no' reaction is more so if they had a child IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted January 01, 2017 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by Gemini30:
I find it normal though. Will I act upon those fantasies? Probably not.
I'm pretty sure it must be fairly normal. I'm personally not attracted to my family members, but keep in mind that it's still actually legal to marry your cousin in some US states.  So yeah, I don't think you're alone on that one. IP: Logged |
SunAscendant
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posted January 01, 2017 05:50 PM
Scorpio influence as you said. Scorpio is all things dark and macabre... and sexual. My generation has Pluto in Scorpio and I know many people around my age who are sexual deviants, ESPECIALLY Aries rising people with an 8th house in Scorpio and their Pluto in that house adn sign.IP: Logged |
Violets
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posted January 01, 2017 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by SunAscendant:
Scorpio influence as you said. Scorpio is all things dark and macabre... and sexual. My generation has Pluto in Scorpio and I know many people around my age who are sexual deviants, ESPECIALLY Aries rising people with an 8th house in Scorpio and their Pluto in that house adn sign.
I've noticed that as well with the Pluto/Uranus conjunction generation, even though it's in Virgo. Most of those I know have those placements in 12th though, either conjunct or sextile Mars and conjunct Asc. Not everyone, obviously. Just some that I've met. At least a few, anyway. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 01, 2017 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by Elise3090:
The glorification of what is bad maybe offend who really lived in hideous situations
That's how I've always felt. Then again maybe we all just have an appetite for Pluto. Sometimes the people with the most Plutonian lives actually seem the most upbeat, while people with "easy" lives are genuinely lost in some kind of darkness. Maybe it's a case where people are just seeking balance: those who are down are trying to come up, and those who are up want to know what it's like when you're down. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted January 01, 2017 10:03 PM
If you are young then it is a natural curiosity and might even be considered (on a subconscious level) as a rite of passage to adulthood to find out what misguided adults feel they are "protecting" you from (that is to know the secrets so you can take your place in adult society rather than forced to continue to "sit at the kid's table"--in case you don't get that, in some place, particularly with large families, the kids sit at different tables from the adults so adults can speak on adult things, which can be humiliating to kids as they get older and want to be considered an adult). And it can just be plain curiosity, though I've come to believe that this isn't as true of most people. But it's true of me, I research a lot of things, and some people think I must be into some very dark things because of what I know about as they can't understand curiosity, especially not academic curiosity, their brains are too lazy and uninspired to relate to my love of learning (and not just from a "party/church approved" reading/viewing list). IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted January 01, 2017 10:04 PM
In my experience, many goths were actually theatrical and darkly fun people (though often melodramatic, probably just goes with the entire theatrical personality). I speak more of adult goths rather than the kids (some kids who declare themselves goth actually try to live up to what adults find scary about it rather than actual older goths who may be quite different), and as I didn't automatically rebuff those who were genuinely deviant it's not like I just pushed the deviants away. I don't mean to say that's true of all or even most of them, but the popular image of goths as social and sexual deviants didn't fit most goths I knew (I literally knew more goths with a more Victorian sensibility than those into things like whips & chains, and even met a few who felt masturbating was cheating on their future husbands!), and the most theatrical tended to have good jobs as they needed the money for it. Heh, one argued I was a goth myself when I denied it as she listed music and movies, such as the Nightmare Before Christmas, that I loved, and most of all that denying I was a goth was proof that I was actually a "true goth"!  IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted January 01, 2017 10:04 PM
A love for violent movies doesn't necessarily mean people are fascinated with the forbidden anymore than people who love roller coasters love to carry out daredevil stunts. To them it's as real as Bugs Bunny dropping an anvil on someone, or maybe a sports team with some drama thrown in (movies like the Avengers make me think of wrestling with better stories, given the costumes, posing, and endless banter and violence) and often just cheap drama (and it probably does allow for some venting of forbidden impulses within the viewer). And not having an understanding of the reality related to things like that helps them enjoy it more, where it can be disturbing to those who have experienced things like traumatic violence. Sheesh, when I saw the remake of the Evil Dead, a bunch of people laughed when a woman in the movie peed herself, because the attempt to get the audience to feel the woman's terror (and thus getting more scared themselves as they subconsciously identified with her) went lost on them, they never felt a terror even remotely like that before so it just went over their head. Most important, most violent movies (be they horror, war, crime, etc) end up promoting the mainstream beliefs rather than deviant ones (the evil are punished, the good as defined by society survive, war movies almost always double as propaganda of the nation they were made in even if that wasn't the intent, etc), and actually come off a lot like urban legends meant to promote morals because the girl who has sex is killed (the one who resists is spared) like in many horror movies (heck, one horror movie had Jason come to life as 2 were having out of wedlock sex, and of course Jason killed them, because that's what he does--punish the young who drink and have sex). Such media typically demonizes drug users (or has them die with those who are promiscuous) and warns of terrible (and unrealistic) things that will happen to those who experiment. It was a radical group of animal rights activists who released the world destroying virus in 28 Days Later. Urban legends are much shorter so it's much more apparent than in movies with much more of a story, but overall that theme dominates them. IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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posted January 01, 2017 10:05 PM
Mysticism isn't taboo in many places, though it might be where you live (or it might just be your church and family has made you think that, in which case I can see why deep down you really want to escape but consciously can only think of "taboo" things as the door out of that bubble). I know some equate it with like the devil, but I believe they're a minority in most countries. Mysticism has a very strong tradition in the major world religions, and those who dismiss it all as evil tend to inspire cringes in other people of the same religion. You may mean the occult, which is essentially that which is invisible or unknown (which mysticism can be seen as part of, but also psychology) but the word has gained a negative meaning that is undeserved (sure, there are evil cults with occult beliefs, but also deadly cults based on mainstream religions, too). That said, I did know some kids who tried to be evil and occult but they got their info from books written by fundamentalist Christians rather than actual occultists (and could get faint at the sight of blood)...a few carried around The Satanic Bible, but once I read it myself years later I realized that those kids never read it (or if they did then either they didn't understand it--as worshiping even Satan would be missing the point since it's about refusing to worship anyone other than one's self and honoring the wild, both of which preclude pointless animal cruelty in the name of Satan--or didn't care, probably too lazy to read that much or think about what little they did read). Oh! This represent kids like that:  I'd generally call that normal teen rebellion. 'Course when it gets mixed with severe mental illness or from backgrounds of abuse then it can get extreme as they try to live the legend. I've also known kids who read VC Andrews (when I was a kid) and seem to enjoy fanfic pairings that are incestuous in nature, but they don't strike me as wanting to practice it in real life. In the case of VC Andrews (a one time popular author for decades) it was just so twisted, forbidden, and dramatic. In many fanfic pairings I think it's more symbolic, or they can't tell the difference between loving affection and sex (which is sad and speaks poorly of their upbringing, as well as the the sad state of most romance novels that speaks of passionate and romantic love being the only kind of love possible). Some fanfic authors even invent elaborate reasons why the lovers aren't siblings (or whatever) or even just retcon it so they're not siblings in their story. ('Course an interest in genuine incest, as in to understand it, can fall into learning about the secrets of the world that adults try to keep from you, and can also appeal to those who engage in some kind of behavior that makes them feel guilty as they can then compare themselves favorably to another group of people "who are even worse" to feel better about themselves.) That's just generally speaking. If you have a special interest in it that's truly extraordinary then I expect you'd be drawn to criminal psychology or forensics, or if you really wanted to "join the dark side" then you wouldn't be hanging around boards like LL as it's a bit too new age for that. IP: Logged |
TensionEmpire
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posted January 01, 2017 10:36 PM
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PixieJane
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posted January 01, 2017 10:38 PM
There's also the desire for personal power, a completely natural and healthy desire but one that has been demonized so that others could have power over you (and as such they might seek out the forbidden in a quest for their own forbidden power within that has been hidden from them). This is even more true of women (though the princess is okay, perhaps even esteemed, the actual queen--especially one without a man who can overrule her--is almost always evil, and even when a princess should be called queen she's still the princess to keep her "safe"). That is, her power is demonized with the rest. I saw this not too long ago that made me like Lex Luthor more than Superman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym7GAKVWVmU I've never seen that show, but it appears that it's another morality tale of women with too much power, even just to defend herself, is evil waiting to happen. It ticked me off and made me root for Lex Luthor on that reason alone, but someone willing to teach me to save myself is more trustworthy than someone who wants to just save me. I looked up more about that scene and found that Lex was beaten up a lot for being bald in school (though I have a hard time seeing those characters as high school kids), so Lex learned how to fight from someone he knew was once special forces or something. I have to say, I admire that kind of initiative, and that he taught the girl to fight to save herself struck me as much more respectful to her than constantly saving her. Personally, I wouldn't care if Lex had ulterior motives, I'd still prefer his making me strong to being a pampered pet. And I'm thinking the one who made that vid feels the same way (and she makes a lot of vids about powerful but evil women). Even Buffy the Vampire Slayer that was supposed to undermine all that fell into that trap. Buffy ultimately validates the mainstream (though she just tweaks and subverts it a bit with light feminism) while Faith who embraced her own power and had sex as she desired it was portrayed as evil (when Faith reforms, she tones down both her power and her sexuality). Also note that Buffy needed a man (like a princess), while Faith didn't until she reformed (though even then she had issues). Hmm...I just remembered reading a book on comic art. As a rule of thumb, the bad girls had bigger boobs (and showed them off) and exuded more sexuality. I've seen that in anime as well, such as Rosario...note how her cross falls off and she goes from simpering vulnerable girl to bad ass who takes no crap, and in the transformation shown here her boobs get bigger and hips rounder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=050Cb7FYKZ8 I definitely see a demonization of female empowerment (not to be confused with the type of feminism that gets the vapors all too easily and demands a white knight patriarchy to make the world safe for them, as in that case she's still a nonthreatening princess rather than an empowered queen). And in this case it's also associated with vampires, monsters, even the Devil IIRC. The symbolism and traits associated with it are too consistent. And trusting in only my own power when I was a kid made me threatening to adults because then I couldn't be controlled. In retrospect, I'm not surprised I was accused of being a Satanist by at least a few (and also kids who tried to be "good") among other things they came up to describe me with. I suppose that Pluto can definitely play a role here, though to me it was just about survival plain and simple. IP: Logged |
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posted January 03, 2017 10:46 PM
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