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Gemmi
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posted January 05, 2017 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those having stellium of personal planets – what are your experiences with transits, especially the hard ones, affecting the stellium?

I technically don’t have a stellium, but I have several important planets and points (Venus, Uranus, MC, Moon, ASC, Sun) in the first 15 degrees of mutable signs (Virgo, Saggi, Gemini). Which means that every time an outer planet transits the first several degrees of any mutable sign, it makes challenging aspects to these placements. The effect is similar to transits to stelliums.

I noticed that these are times of major crises and upheavals which might last for years, depending on transiting planet. If there are more outer planes involved (ex. recent Chiron/Saturn/Neptune transits in mutable signs) the impact is so strong that several important structures of my life are challenged, cannot hold and eventually collapse. Even with one planet transiting, what I have built is damaged and I have to basically start from scratch until another outer planet hits the stellium again and so the story repeats…

I am tired of this pattern and of the perspective that I have to prepare myself for cycles in life where I will see everything I built and love falling apart… As Chiron, Neptune and Saturn have been affecting mutable signs in recent years I have been going through a really hard time (16 hard transits to my mutable placements in recent years). Chiron and Saturn cycles are over and I am relieved, but Neptune is still to opposite my ASC and then Sun in Virgo during the next 2-3 years.

I am afraid that with this pattern it will be hard for me to build more permanent structures in the future… It doesn’t mean that good things didn’t happen in my life, many good things did happen when outer planets were trining the parts of my “stellium” (for example Saturn trining MC conj Moon in Gemini was a great transit for me) but it’s all gone when the whole stellium is being hit the hard way.


What are your experiences with transits affecting your stellium? Is your life full of ups and downs? Could you see any positive side of these transits?

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posted January 05, 2017 03:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you may be onto something here.

To me, a stellium seems like a small, very tightly-woven eco-system. Anything aspecting one part of it sets the whole thing off-kilter. All lifeforms in there suffer.

Side note: Also, people with stelliums have a hard time compartmentalizing their lives (at least I do). Anything that happens in one sphere of life affects them across the board. For instance, messing up a presentation because you had a fight with a friend. Takes active work to dissociate from events.

I suppose having a stellium means that *same* energy is present in all the spheres of life represented by the planets & their placements. All-eggs-in-one-basket scenario. So, makes sense that any knocks the basket endures, puts all eggs in danger.

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posted January 05, 2017 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Voix_de_la_Mer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Saturn return almost annihilated me, but boy oh boy was life good the year afterwards.

Breathing the clean air again, and I'd actually managed to build more than I thought in the midst of the challenges.
I completed my honour's degree, moved home, quit my old band and started a new one, changed jobs, and started a relationship I would have run hellfire from in any of the preceding years of my life (recovered commitment-phobe).

Mars/Saturn/ASc./Pluto conjunct in Libra sq. Venus/Mercury in Aquarius.

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posted January 05, 2017 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leo_moon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lots of things falling apart, change, and growth. Every 7 years there's an overhaul. I turn into a completely different person. Those are tough transits. But also learning, growing pains, and rewards. Saturn's been crossing all my planets in the southern hemisphere for the past 12 years. I lost two teeth. I am happy to be alive. I had the most difficult transits from age 5 to 35. Life is quieting down for the next 15 years. I have to work hard and prepare for my 50s when sh*t hits fan again.

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posted January 06, 2017 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elysia, I really like that you compared stellium to eco-system, the planets are interrelated so if one part is affected other parts suffer. These are very complex structures that probably require deeper studies of the natal chart to understand them better

Voix_de_la_Mer, if you manage to build amid the challenges that’s good. I think Saturn transits might be hard but they also give an opportunity to build new, more adequate structures. And that’s what happened to me as well with transiting Saturn. I survived Pluto transiting the 4th house affecting the stellium planets and it also gave me opportunity to grow and build new more solid inner structures. I had huge problems however with Chiron and Uranus (and possibly Neptune) transits affecting my stellium as they destroyed the old structures but made it more difficult to build new ones so everything was in suspension and on hold for these whole periods of time.

Leo_moon, yeah, the same here, I look at my chart and already see when and in which areas the “sh_t will hit the fan” again… it’s crazy. But knowing the natal chart is crucial here. I know that in my case areas of the angular houses will be affected because that’s where the planets are also located. There won’t be any outer transiting planets affecting my 1st and 4th house anymore (apart from Saturn) but the 7th and 10th houses will be affected several more times. So relationships and career might be subject to more crises.

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posted January 06, 2017 06:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Elysia:
Side note: Also, people with stelliums have a hard time compartmentalizing their lives (at least I do). Anything that happens in one sphere of life affects them across the board. For instance, messing up a presentation because you had a fight with a friend. Takes active work to dissociate from events.

This is true for me as well. (Virgo stellium here.)

I bring my work troubles home with me, and my home issues are on my mind at work. But, I don't necessarily let it all drag me down at once. It's just like a set of bowling pins - if the bowling ball knocks down one pin, it knocks down all of them. I consider this energy different from people I know who talk endlessly about their home problems at work and their work problems at home. The ecosystem (or stellium) is always functioning, quietly humming in the background until there's a hiccup and then everything - and I do mean everything - comes to a halt.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
This is true for me as well. (Virgo stellium here.)

I bring my work troubles home with me, and my home issues are on my mind at work. But, I don't necessarily let it all drag me down at once. It's just like a set of bowling pins - if the bowling ball knocks down one pin, it knocks down all of them. I consider this energy different from people I know who talk endlessly about their home problems at work and their work problems at home. The ecosystem (or stellium) is always functioning, quietly humming in the background until there's a hiccup and then everything - and I do mean everything - comes to a halt.


Right.. "humming in the background" - sounds to me like the influence of mercury-rulership on most everything in your chart. Mutable energy makes the functioning part better, I suppose. I like how you guys can pick up right where you left off. There can be some ping-ponging back n forth if anxiety takes root (hello, Virgo!).

My fixed energy tends to *wallow*.

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posted January 06, 2017 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
This is true for me as well. (Virgo stellium here.)

Hi StubbornVirgo! How have you been doing these recent months? I remember we share some mutable placements (at least Venus in Virgo, Sun at 17deg Virgo and Moon in Gemini). How is it with tr Pluto trine Sun? I am much better now than in the last few years (at least I have a job…) but still struggle with some things post Saturn square Sun/Moon/ASC transits that I had in 2016.

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posted January 06, 2017 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How is it with tr Pluto trine Sun?

Generally speaking, it's been beneficial. I started a new job and have been climbing the ranks quickly. My supervisor increased my capabilities (and responsibilities) at work. Now I'm showing new employees the ropes. There's talk of starting training to be a supervisor, soon. Most people are responding well to my progress, but there's always those few that get jealous and try to find a way to make my job harder than it should be. (And then they realize that they need my help and decide to play nice, for their own benefit.)

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but still struggle with some things post Saturn square Sun/Moon/ASC transits that I had in 2016.

I hear you. Saturn did a number on me, too. My self-confidence plummeted. (Chiron and Neptune didn't help, either.) I'm still dealing with some of the same issues. Everything seems more intense with Pluto, even with a nice trine. Everything seems amped up to 150%. It's like the zoom lens is focused on me, right now. Or like the music is turned all the way up, the car is going way too fast...and I want to slow it down, but there's no time and it's not possible, anyway.

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posted January 06, 2017 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cinnamon sky     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a similar experience as Voix_de_la_Mer when my Saturn return hit my Libra stellium. The rug was pulled out from under my feet, my whole world changed, it was very typical to my second house where it took place, I was in a new place, feeling very unsafe, no privacy, no stability, crappy job, no clarity about the future. BUT also this was the catalyst which changed my life, and I accomplished something about which I was saying a year before my Saturn return that it would be impossible to do it.

After that, in 2012, when Pluto was squaring my above mentioned stellium I had a pretty rough year, pretty dark thoughts and a sad event at the end, but after that I felt reborn, I got this huge energy, I was motivated to go for a new job and I got it.

Not sure about the so called "good transits" though. I just had my Jupiter return on my stellium but again, I had a pretty rough time, which now seems to be clearing out.
Maybe any transit to a stellium is going to be a difficult one - or better said, a complex one.

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posted January 07, 2017 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Everything seems more intense with Pluto, even with a nice trine.

For me, Pluto trines to natal planets indicate a very slow transformation. Some changes might be noticed when the transit is active but the true effect should be more visible when the transit is over. I am also happy with my current new job, it’s very fulfilling, but I didn’t see an increase in personal power and influence in the work area. Pluto is transiting my 5th house making trine to the Sun in the 1st.

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posted January 07, 2017 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cinnamon sky:

Maybe any transit to a stellium is going to be a difficult one - or better said, a complex one.

I think that when a transiting planet affects a stellium (in a good or bad way) we get the lessons associated with this planet “wholesale”. So whatever the lesson is (Pluto-transformation, Saturn-getting real etc.), the effect will be much more pronounced and generalized.
For example when Pluto was affecting, by hard aspects, my personal planets from the 4th house I went through a deep psychological changes, which were painful at first but after the passage Pluto helped me to build a much stronger identity.

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posted January 11, 2017 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you wrote is interesting.I know what you mean about wanting some stability and permanence(especially with mutable planets involved)

I have a triple conjunction of mutable Sag planets ;Jupiter 23,Sun 29 and Neptune 28. Which in my view is more harmonious as they all work towards a certain end....Jupiter-ruled.

I think if I resist,protest and oppose it- it becomes more challenging.I end up creating all sorts of emotional complications and illnesses that it just feels easier to let go and "go with it".

Its not easy at all as is the case with sag, I want to understand the "bigger picture" and why it is happening. And sometimes it is hard to explain rhyme and reason. Because at other times, there just isn't.

I am pre-paving this looming Neptune transiting hit to this triple conjunction and I am going to be intent on "opening" myself up to what it offers.

If there is one thing that I have concluded from the natal T-square of Cap Merc 16,Can Moon 17,Lib Mars 18, it would be that one can never really be prepared. Not fully.

So you will have to be prepared to bend or break. And if it feels really painful, you are resisting. If it feels tough, you are resisting. Just let go...let go..let go.

Most people speak of "growth" as something romantic,painless and wonderful. Not always. And the thing is that it has to happen- "ready" or not.

Life isn't about maintaining the status quo without but within. Find the peace within no matter the changes outside. Easier said than done I know

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posted September 29, 2022 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 93nov     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Elysia:
I think you may be onto something here.

To me, a stellium seems like a small, very tightly-woven eco-system. Anything aspecting one part of it sets the whole thing off-kilter. All lifeforms in there suffer.

Side note: Also, people with stelliums have a hard time compartmentalizing their lives (at least I do). Anything that happens in one sphere of life affects them across the board. For instance, messing up a presentation because you had a fight with a friend. Takes active work to dissociate from events.

I suppose having a stellium means that *same* energy is present in all the spheres of life represented by the planets & their placements. All-eggs-in-one-basket scenario. So, makes sense that any knocks the basket endures, puts all eggs in danger.


I hope this forum never crumbles lol. I was going to create a whole new thread, but I think I found what I was looking for.. Ha. Thank you.


If anyone is still interested in reviving the thread, I have Moon in Libra (21 degrees) and a Scorpio Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, and Pluto. So whenever a planet makes an aspect to my moon, I can expect a LONG journey with that planet as it hits my other planets one by one like a domino affect. Transits hit my planets in this order: Moon, Jupiter, Venus, Mercury, Sun.

I just finished up a very hard... very, very hard Pluto AND Saturn square to my moon and now they're both slowly causing chaos on my other planets (or they're getting ready to lol)...Saturn is finishing up his torture on my Sun now and will end on my ASC/ Pluto. Yayy. Then Pluto.

So I guess my question is, are people with stelliums the outcasts of society? The ones who can never seem to catch a break? Because that's how i feel lol.

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posted September 30, 2022 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@93nov, I have a big 8th house Taurus stellium with Venus, Jupiter, South node and Sun and my Chiron is at 29Aries in my 7th house. The Uranus, north node and Saturn transits are aligning with some big events in my life. Transits of outer planets are very slow moving especially with retrograde in the mix as well but they give the opportunity for some very important life lessons.

I don’t think people with a stellium are supposed to be outcasts but we do have a bigger chance of time periods that will impact our core personality in big ways. I recognize the feeling of being somewhat of an outcast and a bit of a weirdo. But I have Pluto conjunct my Ascendant, an 8th house stellium, Venus opposite Uranus and an 11th house Moon. It’s part of my personality and it probably also helps me deal with big changes better. And it might take a bit of searching, but there are people out there that actually enjoy being around people who are different from the standard factory model and might have a few rough edges. I usually get along really well with Aquarius Moons 😁.

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posted October 10, 2022 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 09, 2023 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Leo and Scorpio stuff had a hard time at the end of last year because of Uranus in Taurus and Saturn in Aquarius.

I was literally knocked on my ass in the hospital for a whole week. non functioning for 3 months. I've never experienced so much physical and emotional pain in my life.

I'm nervous for the Venus retrograde for my Scorpio and Aquarius stuff now.

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posted July 11, 2023 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
stellilums I feel when it's great it's great, when it's bad it really bad.

I have pretty much everything in my chart except for Virgo. (if I count earth sign and dc) so it's usually a mixed bad.

having my cardinal and fixed signs buttons pushed constantly has me pretty burned out from existing most days.

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posted July 11, 2023 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoWasHere     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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stellilums I feel when it's great it's great, when it's bad it really bad. …

I agree, the energy of the sign is amplified. So when you’re in the high expression of that energy it’s like everything just flows, but with the low expression it’s extremely frustrating.

The theme of the house with a stellium is also very dominant and can be very much in your face because it involves so many aspects of your personality. You can’t ignore it. I guess it’s related to an karmic issue we find really difficult to tackle and maybe have struggled with for several lifetimes. It’s now on the top of our to-do list for this lifetime.

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posted July 12, 2023 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gemmi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 93nov:

So I guess my question is, are people with stelliums the outcasts of society? The ones who can never seem to catch a break? Because that's how i feel lol.

Society expects us to pursue, build, establish and maintain certain structures (e.g. having a career, stable income, stable partnership, starting a family, buying a home, etc).
Now, there is a risk that with several challenging transits affecting one particular area of your life, like in the case of stellium, it might be difficult to build stable structures there, which society might not like. So there might be a feeling of being an outcast, of not following the same pattern, not to fit in etc. The area of relationships has been affected in my case by challenging transits for far too long and this is exactly how I am feeling.

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