posted January 05, 2017 04:12 PM            

because each element if very different, and it's similar to being along the lines as worker: planner: idea for why we are here: etc. each person had a role.

so far this is what i got fire: not much higher awareness, but taking complete charge for everything. "i dont know where i am but i gotta do this and do this".

water is more "hmm i think i will sit here and feel and wonder, i see all the connections, i know why this is all happening, it is higher things happening" but meanwhile fire is not aware of those higher things, but fire takes charge

i only have experience with those because my sun has been in those houses (fire & water).

i am sure that earth is about the physical, but i need to know what their goals and ambitions are, what "mission" in life does that give someone in an earth house? just to feel secure? i dont think that settles my question as to whether they were in a serious predicament, and had to plan/think of a way out of a wormhole, what would they do? how would they feel? fire would take charge and make their own way out. water would come to terms and understand and go the direct route that they feel is right. they would know. meanwhile fire has more a capacity to take what is, and intead of accept it, they transform it to what they think it should be, that is a passion.

so there is water, fire, how does earth behave, and air.

i need to further my understandings, i really like mastering the basics, and i never even imagined i could come even close to mastering understanding the modalities, but i did. i experienced each one many times, but i can never experience earth.

posted January 05, 2017 06:11 PM            

Air is the "inspirer"
Fire is the "starter"
Earth is the the "builder"
Water is the "shaper"

posted January 05, 2017 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
i think it is detrimental to demend on the names of things to find their meaning. like water is just a word we 'try' to use to desribe the element. it actually has nothing to do with H20. Nor does fire have anything to do with oxygen combustion. it's justa force. cause i think that is why you said water is a shaper. that is what water does IN REAL LIFE, but as a metaphor for an element, water does not shape. Water connects, and understands, and adapts.

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posted January 05, 2017 08:10 PM            

anyway i pretty much have it all figured out. air is in constant ideas, funny ideas, thinking thoughts, wherever they go- they see funny things. they are having higher thoughts and ideals in each situation, that they may or may not share. they may share their thoughts about what life seems and describe how they see people, people interacting, and what is life, and how am i thinking these things, and sharing with you, and all these different thoughts on what life is. wherever they go they are in thoughts, expressions, ideas, understandings, they provide insight into what is.

They look out at what is, and understand it.

Water feels what is there, and they feel it.

Earth sees what is there, and they love it, they use it, they have fun with it.

Fire has fun with what is, and dances in it's flames, for they don't see the physical, they see fire. Everything looks like a fun opportunity for them to move

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Cardinal looks beforehand, they think what came before, how did this situation, this thing, get to be like how it is now.

Mutable sees what is to come, what is about to happen, what will happen in the future. If I say this, I think he will likely respond like 'this'. They have a strong sense of what is to come.

Fixed is neither, it is staying as still as possible, non-changing. It is just lying there, staying there, until something disturbs your peace so that it forces you to change, until you get that thing out of your life and you are at peace again. Retaining inner harmony, staying the same. Not thinking about how things got there, or how things are going to be, but just staying in the moment and nothing more. Still.

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From this you can combine all 7 descriptions of both elements/modalities, to understand the 12 signs.

Aries- Fire has fun with what is, and dances in it's flames, for they don't see the physical, they see fire. Everything looks like a fun opportunity for them to move. Cardinal looks beforehand, they think what came before, how did this situation, this thing, get to be like how it is now. Opportunities to have fun are associated witht he past, they relish in the before-ness, when they act, they are envisioning the pre-circumstances that came w hich dictate why they are doing what they are doing. They know why they are doing what they did, and so they have fun thinking about why things are like they are. Fire- fun, cardinal- past.

Pisces - Water feels what is there, and they feel it. Mutable sees what is to come, what is about to happen, what will happen in the future. If I say this, I think he will likely respond like 'this'. They have a strong sense of what is to come. Pisces feels everyone, and has a strong sense of what is to come, therefore they anticipate how people are about to feel, they anticipate what 'forces' they intuit (universal forces) will lead to in the future, "oh i am feeling this right now, it is likely that 'this' or 'something' is going to happen)

Leo having fun in the moment.

Cancer understanding why people feel the way they do, what happened to them to cause them to feel like this. Also what 'universal forces' happened to create what is happening now.

Taurus - Enjoying this realm in the moment.

Virgo - Enjoying this realm for what they see they are about to achieve. After they achieved things it probably makes them feel to relish in all of them. "I moved this table here, i cleaned this mess, i made a mini garden" even though after that is done, they are still envisioning the future, but they still feel good to be surrounded by those tihngs. Loving the atmosphere of this realm.

Cap- Enjoying this realm for what came before hand. I like how this table got here, it waas made, built, put together, and now it's in my house. I like that. I like that this coffee is here, it was harvested in columbia, packed in bags, shipped to my town and i baught it, ground it up, and now it's in my cup. I love how it got there. I am using it and making use of things in this realm. I like how all these houses got here. And this society was built from hard workers. This town.

Sag - I have fun for the things that are about to be. I can envision myself climbing that tree, i am going to do it now. I think it would be a good idea to climb that car and jump off. I want to go swimming. They are going to react in a great funny (sag-fun) way if i do this. Where as pisces is they are going to be angry if i do this.
Aries- hehe what i just did made them laugh. I like that. (they look back, perhaps had a sense they were being funny, but when they look to it is in the past. where as sag thinks up hilarious things to be told in the future)

First seconds of life for a fire - (unique) Fire: This thing just came up to me and started moving so it looked fun and i started moving with it

Air - This thing came up to me and it was moving around and i saw it's intentions and then i made a face to show i thought those are funny things (understanding- co communication)

Water - this thing was moving and it seemed angry that i wasnt moving with it and then i slapped it

posted January 05, 2017 10:14 PM            

An example is .. Someone around me was lashing out at people and even though I wasn't angry I acted like I was because I thought she had that spinning screw state where without something to ground the energy, she'd become more furious. That kind of mirroring could be a Neptune thing but it felt very earthy, it wasn't emotional .. It was kind of a need for the whole to be ok, back together, not in a merging Pisces way. Or other times just being still when everyone is talking even if desperate to say something because there's no space for it. So I think you are right that seeing matters to earth. Also a yearning to bind tangibly.

At least that's a Taurus exp of earth.

First seconds I would see as an impulse to balance maybe.

Eta I think it is about preserving what's there, about the structure and form of things so that even if things dissolve or evaporate there's some essential here-to state left. So probably in the first seconds earth would want to retain some aspect of that. I was thinking of joining, binding but that's as much water. But earth would join with the purpose of a structure, are resistant to change because that's about the structure. And I suppose seeing is about appreciating that too (savouring through the senses, mentally cataloging or projecting) so that it and change can be observed & the essential form still be perceived.

I think a lot but I realised after replying to this thread last night my thoughts are very material to me. I suspect I even get insomnia because I want to savour thoughts as if things.

Again through a Taurus lens and my own persp

posted January 06, 2017 03:08 PM            

1- water & earth
2.- fire & air

earth and water seems to be more aligned with the physical world and the corporal body. emotions for earth & water are acepted as natural events. water can FEEL but also earth can FEEL. it is nothing ethereal. it is real, concrete. I suspect the difference lays in the fluidity. like water has an awareness of the shapeshipting nature of life and events and can see beyond the rithm of seasons and cycles. like water is able to get that life is more than the SATURNIAN rules. feelings are like that..

fire and air live more in what owe to be. air immagine the world and fire goes after that ideal world to make it happen. air does no action, but figure all the ideas in their mind. they visualize, they play with ideas. they love to talk and they like that abstract world. they live in the wold of IDEAS. fire wnat to shape the world and create new worlds with their actions. they go for that. they are ACTION. no matter if mutable, fixed, or cardinal. fire is ACTION oriented no matter the modality.

posted January 06, 2017 04:12 PM            

fire+air would be more the type for entertainment.

I think earth+water are more "beneath" these larger things that go on outside of themselves. Water sees divine forces, grande, large, a divine plan, and they are just a small part in all of this grandeness. they get emotional for how these plans turned out. Earth is similar in a way because it is also beneath it all, but it is beneath this realm, it is a large, cold, 'profoundly there' realm. and they are just a small part of it.

posted January 07, 2017 01:01 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:

I think earth+water are more "beneath" these larger things that go on outside of themselves. Water sees divine forces, grande, large, a divine plan, and they are just a small part in all of this grandeness. they get emotional for how these plans turned out. Earth is similar in a way because it is also beneath it all, but it is beneath this realm, it is a large, cold, 'profoundly there' realm. and they are just a small part of it.

fire+air is more above it all.

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posted January 07, 2017 03:40 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
sorry flor i think i mixed in my own perception of (air+fire) with the description of earth, the first seconds probably wouldnt be about being entertained, nor is it perhaps about love as much. the feeling i get from your perspective is it can be kind of cold, sappy (note- texture), a big thing, and profoundly feel the earth, not in a warm way, almost in a cold accepting/ dealing with it way.

fire+air would be more the type for entertainment.

I think earth+water are more "beneath" these larger things that go on outside of themselves. Water sees divine forces, grande, large, a divine plan, and they are just a small part in all of this grandeness. they get emotional for how these plans turned out. Earth is similar in a way because it is also beneath it all, but it is beneath this realm, it is a large, cold, 'profoundly there' realm. and they are just a small part of it.

fire+air is more above it all. they do not see a larger thing, more as they see what they see. that is a tall mountain, that guy is walking there, oh i want to go do this (fire for latter ex.). therefore they are opposite, they are above it all.

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Idk because earth is a warm feeling for me. Maybe because the sun is there in my chart. When I feel it kick in, it feels very nurturing but through a stability. But the acceptance and what you describe is true because maybe if I had fires talents in projecting outwards, being active etc or airs ability to express ideas I'd not be limited to that mode. There's a passivity, being a base level. And like Nordic soul says, earth does feel but it's slow. There's a kind of spirituality there but the presence is corporeal.

What comes to mind is soldiers going to war and doing the scary, life and death thing. Meanwhile back at home people are doing everyday rituals. Some people have a need or are called to go fight but sometimes when weary the home is nurturing. It can be boring being at home but life/death is faced in a different way. Not sure that explains anything but that comes to mind.