posted January 13, 2017 02:06 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm learning so much about 12th house Sun and loving it more and more. I've only started giving it my focused attention since September. Maybe it is because my Venus is also in 12th house and maybe it is because I'm Cancer, but I don't feel people leave me, even when they go, they become a part of me or the realization of them becomes a part of me. That is why I have a hard time drawing boundaries. It's always one extreme or the other. Anyway the fact that energy becomes a part of me is exhausting in both the short term and long term.

A few months ago I was very content with myself and my plans. A man introduced himself and expressed an interest in getting to know me. I flat out told him I was on a mission (explained in detail ). He decided to be brave and stick around. While we were getting to know each other, I found out he needed a new car very soon. I happened to have a car I didn't need and didn't plan to sell. My hope in us, fueled my hopes that things could get better and easier for him. I liked him as a person and I liked him for myself, so I was open to giving. I did not tell him my ideas about the car.

Things ended up not working out between us. Even then I thought he was just. I felt that the universe had sent me what I deserved in his integrity...but I started to change my mind about giving him the car though- a little bit of bitterness, like, wtf?. But something pushed me to find the bridge between the passionate love I had and the love and appreciation I had for him as a good and fair person in need of a break. It was a way of tapping into unconditional love. And after I surprised him by giving him the car even after we (he- I hadn't decided yet) decided things weren't going anywhere, I felt better than I ever had saying good bye to someone. He is a positive point of perspective in my awareness (or he is an experience of love ). The energy and last feeling I had in relationship to him was hope- not hope that we would get together, but hope that things would get better for him...the same kind of hope I needed to be generating for myself. He became an experience of hope and generosity.

Now he is one of my closest friends... He expressed confusion about his feelings for me a couple of days ago. That's ok too. Now that I'm on this track with him, I can handle that too and I can be hopeful that he gets in touch with the feelings of his heart. I am not available, but I think a 12th Houser needs to give and love no matter what, so once a higher love is established, the 12th Houser is satisfied with whatever happens- with whatever is for the greater good.

12th house Sun cannot be self sacrificing, because the point is to teach others through what you know of yourself so 12th house Sun does no good by laying down and letting people walk all over them...but in order to stay strong and full of vitality 12th house Sun has to find unconditional love

Not sure I'm making my point but that's alright too

Yea. I like these descriptions E.

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posted January 13, 2017 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:

That is usually when you stop impressing us as the brilliant power behind the throne and start annoying us as the neurotic martyr behind the scenes, while alienating us as you become your own worst enemy in the end. After all, your soul promised to use all that unconditional love, abstract awareness, and psychic insight to help us through our deepest fears and our darkest nights, not create them, and to awaken our spirit and brighten our tomorrows, not overwhelm them.

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Ohhh how close to home this hits.

posted January 13, 2017 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Kibriana:
So, I've just got this theory and I'd appreciate some help. Talking of the 11th house Sun's mission of group leadership, fighting for the betterment of mankind, wish to belong to a group, being surrounded by powerful, mostly male friends, and the feeling of being lost if not a part of a group. Ok, so I'm the complete opposite. Take everything I've just listed and think of a completely different person and that's me. But...it is said that Sun represent the father or the father figure, and my father used to be the ultimate 11th house Sun wannabe. He's an Aquarius and when he was younger he acted like somebody with 11th house Sun. His friends were always more important than his family, he relentlesly joined one organisation, union, party, group after another, desperately wanting to be the leader. He fought the good fight, he had powerful friends. He'd be the Sun in 11th poster kid if it hadn't been for one small thing - he sucked at it. He was a poor leader, so he got dumped from every position he ever held. In fact, each and every of his leadership escapades turned out to be a complete failure with serious, costly and longterm consequences. What do you think? Is it possible that Sun, at least in my case, shows my father, and not me, or that I'm subconscously doing everything I can not to act like him, to the point where I've become the complete opposite.

Also, as I mentioned in a previous post, I've got Sun conj Chiron, and SN in there as well, so that might be it.

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Omg.. I know what you mean.

In an extreme effort to *avoid* the path of one or both of our parents, we end up closing ourselves off to things we should've explored for ourselves.

The thing is, you're not him. Your journey down that path is entirely your own. It does not have to be anything like his at all.
That's easier said than done, I know.. But try to dissociate from the mental cringe you feel every time you think of all those 11th house activities. Your real issue is with his behaviour and how it affected you, not those things/activities themselves. Maybe try to remind yourself that what you feel is about how he did it, not the thing itself. That might resolve the blocks that stop you from participating in the first place.

Also, you're right in pointing this out - looks like this is the thing that's calling for your attention. Since Chiron is tied up with your Sun in that house your healing is also tied up with your ability to express your solar qualities in that house.

posted January 15, 2017 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
Omg.. I know what you mean.

In an extreme effort to *avoid* the path of one or both of our parents, we end up closing ourselves off to things we should've explored for ourselves.

The thing is, you're not him. Your journey down that path is entirely your own. It does not have to be anything like his at all.
That's easier said than done, I know.. But try to dissociate from the mental cringe you feel every time you think of all those 11th house activities. Your real issue is with his behaviour and how it affected you, not those things/activities themselves. Maybe try to remind yourself that what you feel is about how he did it, not the thing itself. That might resolve the blocks that stop you from participating in the first place.

Also, you're right in pointing this out - looks like this is the thing that's calling for your attention. Since Chiron is tied up with your Sun in that house your healing is also tied up with your ability to express your solar qualities in that house.

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posted January 17, 2017 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
A thought/question about 12H Sun. I have always felt, and noticed, that people put THEIR happiness on MY shoulders. If I am mad; they get mad. If I am happy; they get happy. If I am at a party, hiding in a corner and want to be alone while observing, there's always someone that points me out as "ruining the party" etc etc etc

I have never understood why some keep seeing me as some sort of "savior" but now, having read this, it makes sense. And I don't like it! I don't want to be the "Sun" that lights up all the darkness around me because when I am dark, there's usually no "Sun" for me.

Wondering if anyone else with a 12H sun have noticed this??

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posted January 17, 2017 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I'm learning so much about 12th house Sun and loving it more and more. I've only started giving it my focused attention since September. Maybe it is because my Venus is also in 12th house and maybe it is because I'm Cancer, but I don't feel people leave me, even when they go, they become a part of me or the realization of them becomes a part of me. That is why I have a hard time drawing boundaries. It's always one extreme or the other. Anyway the fact that energy becomes a part of me is exhausting in both the short term and long term.

A few months ago I was very content with myself and my plans. A man introduced himself and expressed an interest in getting to know me. I flat out told him I was on a mission (explained in detail ). He decided to be brave and stick around. While we were getting to know each other, I found out he needed a new car very soon. I happened to have a car I didn't need and didn't plan to sell. My hope in us, fueled my hopes that things could get better and easier for him. I liked him as a person and I liked him for myself, so I was open to giving. I did not tell him my ideas about the car.

Things ended up not working out between us. Even then I thought he was just. I felt that the universe had sent me what I deserved in his integrity...but I started to change my mind about giving him the car though- a little bit of bitterness, like, wtf?. But something pushed me to find the bridge between the passionate love I had and the love and appreciation I had for him as a good and fair person in need of a break. It was a way of tapping into unconditional love. And after I surprised him by giving him the car even after we (he- I hadn't decided yet) decided things weren't going anywhere, I felt better than I ever had saying good bye to someone. He is a positive point of perspective in my awareness (or he is an experience of love ). The energy and last feeling I had in relationship to him was hope- not hope that we would get together, but hope that things would get better for him...the same kind of hope I needed to be generating for myself. He became an experience of hope and generosity.

Now he is one of my closest friends... He expressed confusion about his feelings for me a couple of days ago. That's ok too. Now that I'm on this track with him, I can handle that too and I can be hopeful that he gets in touch with the feelings of his heart. I am not available, but I think a 12th Houser needs to give and love no matter what, so once a higher love is established, the 12th Houser is satisfied with whatever happens- with whatever is for the greater good.

12th house Sun cannot be self sacrificing, because the point is to teach others through what you know of yourself so 12th house Sun does no good by laying down and letting people walk all over them...but in order to stay strong and full of vitality 12th house Sun has to find unconditional love

Not sure I'm making my point but that's alright too

Yea. I like these descriptions E.

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This is absolutely beautiful!!! From a fellow Sun in 12th house to another, you put this so eloquently!

posted January 18, 2017 04:51 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
awesome read, as well:
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/problemsweallface_1.php

(scroll down for other houses)

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I only read 12th house. I do love it.

The 12th is the master of endings..

Becoming the master of endings is seeing the seed of the new beginning (for everyone) in the "end"

posted January 18, 2017 01:59 PM            

Another 12th House Sun whose humanitarian efforts helped make an actual difference in another human's life....
On the social front, his Grass Roots Leadership model style became a became an inspiration for effectively Changing another human being's life, and by Applied Good.... tangibly had an effect on the planet, and, diplomatically, on the world. He has had an impact on the lives of Women (international)-- trafficking, physical abuse, push for education of ....

His wife, Rosalynn Carter, tackled issues such as stigma as a social barrier in accessing mental health.

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Carter,_Jimmy

(39th President of the USA.)

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Carter,_Rosalynn

Venus2Tinkerbell...

You ARE a Sermon, walking the Talk of what it means to have maturity and apply oneself to the True Religion of Life... Love.
Being able to set aside one's ego-needs to help another who will have clearly learned more than one lesson. I admire that you told us of your Good Performed... You're an inspirational role model. ... Walking a Higher Road, with a practical application of it. I loved how you exposed your thinking and rationalizations behind it.

VenusDiSirius... Thanks for the link! (Love Rudhyar. Fascinating.)

Kibriana... Thanks for that sharing!

Interesting about your dad, and that you have a Sun-Chiron opposite your H11... H5 or H6?

I have a Sun and Chiron aspect also (trine)... Sun H6, Chiron H2. That brings my H10 into focus more. Those houses are called the Trinity of Wealth.
(Isabel Hickey, Astrol.Cosm.Sci., p.63).
10th House is House of Father.
My dad had a partile Sun-Jupiter {partile=EXACTconj}, placed in my 11th.
{{I may share later, as conditions (at home) lend themselves to it.}}

Here's another link to videos of Rising Signs, and Soul Purposes... (esoteric)

If you search the yt, you can find your own sign, or planets involved.

This one is for V2T and LEO Ascendants---

AND she mentions that this is 'The Path of Humanity' relevant for EVERYONE on the planet right now....

(t NN will enter LEO soon -- around May 9/10, 2017)

(topic) Leo Rising: The Leo Soul (Ruth Hadikin) [20:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvGB-Swr7K4&index=40&list=UUMEaEnZoax6pk5btnSVOcqA

She mentions Barack Obama....
who is the 44th President of USA...
His 2nd term as President finishes officially on the 20th (a few days from now).

{Personally, I admire President Obama very much. He is a Great American.... His Sun Leo was on the USA North Node Leo in USAH8cancer.
As a person, he conducted and proved himself as a True Gentleman-- fairness, honor, diplomacy; integrity, kindness, and dignity.
Highest regards also to his wife, Michelle Obama, who celebrated her birthday yesterday, Jan 17th. Her Sun in USA H2... what we Value.}

Thank you for your Contribution to our Country, and our lives, President and Mrs. Obama !!

- http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Obama,_Barack
Who had a Service Humanitarian-based Facilitating-Style H6 Sun.

for ref - http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.1

posted January 18, 2017 02:11 PM            

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted January 18, 2017 05:54 PM            

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Mirage

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*thumbsup* I'm glad the prior poofed post I did re-appeared!

V2T... You know I mean it!

I ~~~KNOW that you could have sold that car and used the cash-money for your own needs. Instead, you donated the whole car, which brought MUCH more value and worth than any cash would have meant-- especially to the man. The Lessons He Learned!!!

You have Sun H12....
I have Sun H6 *waves hi*
We cover the Day! Sun up to sundown.

By coincidence, you inspire me to tell my own story.

This is my own Car-GiveAway story.

I feel an elation when I can Give. Sometimes what seems as a little thing to you, can mean a great deal more in the hands of someone else...

I myself gave away my Beautiful car in 2001, before relo cross-country south. It needed a simple inexpensive part, that was in a very complicated place to reach (under the dashboard).

I knew a young gentleman who helped run a support-group with me. He had started a decorating consulting business, and was steadily gaining new clients for himself.

I was caught in a kind of quandary...

To drive my older car that many miles south, could have blown 'er up! LOL. She was 'just too pretty' to blow up. LOL.

She was an elegant-looking Mercury car (of course???, for a Sun and Mercury Gemmy with a Mercury-ruled Virgo Moon??, your H7 Gemmy partner??)--

Mercury Marquis Brougham{LuxuryClass}.
She had Electronic-everything (my h3 transportation, cusp aqua??)!

Charcoal grey. Glamour Sheen diamond showroom finish on that paint.

I had bought it new, and had been its sole-owner. I kept the engine WELL maintained for over a decade and a half.

I had an offer from a man to buy it, to use her for her parts. Offered an amount equivalent to my plane's airfare ride south.

Instead, I decided to offer the car to this man ($5 legal).

He had a brother and an uncle who were handy with cars (and would fix that part to defrost the windows... ~correctly! haha, I had been making due.).

He was a classy guy, who really cared about people.
Now, he owned a classy car for his visits to his upscale clients.
This also expanded the reach of his territory. The trunk was huge...

She was excellent on gas,
and comfortable on highway driving.
Had the highest Safety rating of any car made in that year.
check
check
check

Good buy... *ah... nostalgia* LOL

Also once... I had been able to buy a second-hand old-car for a man in Pentecostal church. (Attended in later 80s/early 90s.)
Having a car made it easier for him to find work... and hold down a job.
I felt very very honored to be able to afford to do that for him, at that time.... {*bheart* *heart*}

V2T...
WE (and others here too) know the Joy of how that feels inside.

posted January 19, 2017 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Heh the 9th house sun description is pretty close for my s.o.

For myself,idk, sometimes 12th house descriptions seem very dramatic to me and I'm sitting here tilting my head to the side n feeling slightly confused.

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posted January 19, 2017 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
A thought/question about 12H Sun. I have always felt, and noticed, that people put THEIR happiness on MY shoulders. If I am mad; they get mad. If I am happy; they get happy. If I am at a party, hiding in a corner and want to be alone while observing, there's always someone that points me out as "ruining the party" etc etc etc

I have never understood why some keep seeing me as some sort of "savior" but now, having read this, it makes sense. And I don't like it! I don't want to be the "Sun" that lights up all the darkness around me because when I am dark, there's usually no "Sun" for me.

Wondering if anyone else with a 12H sun have noticed this??

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YES YES YES.

posted January 19, 2017 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by DreamCatcher:
CHARLIE- I FEEL YOUR PAIN!

I'm a 12th house Sun- so true!!! When I am in my darkness, no one is to be found- but I am always the savior for everyone else....
Every guy I was involved with always put me on this pedestal. Like I was saving them....it was annoying.
They never see "me", just this person with a halo.
Makes so much sense..

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Cappi112
[b]YES YES YES.
Wow, thank you for posting this. I have felt the same exact way (I have Sun in 12h).
I used to try to fight it with others ("I am not in control of your happiness. Just because I am having a down day doesn't have to mean you do too." etc etc) but I eventually stopped fighting it.
Ive been trying hard to find a way to use this as a strength.

To lift others up, which shows me my own light and others'.

I think many with strong 12H positions can become healers, and that's my attempt in this life.

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H12 Suns, Cappi112 {so Beautiful!}, Charlie and DreamCatcher...

It's really really good to realize this as early in life as possible.

It's not that these friends and these strangers are 'putting' anything ON you... They are giving you very valuable 'feedback' about 'who' you really are. What you are Called to do in your life.

Life is bigger than who you are as a mortal on this earth. There is a larger Purpose for your life that is included with who you are mundanely and mortally. You are a Key for someone else's door. Someone else's ability to Understand their life....and who 'they' are.

I can't recall all the authors I've read.... but it seems that H12 and H6's Sun have a Servant Leadership role to fulfill in their lifetime.

(And you may not be able to discern that UNTIL you've lived through half your life... That's why I say the young are soooo blessed if they can get a hold of that 'early' in life.)

The life talents become more efficient and energized the more you realize that you are called to something Higher in life.

Develop who you are as a normal being.... and note what is working and what does not {Charlie }.

Both-i-ness... It's all-about-you, and NOT-about you. It's about-you in order to be about-others. And being about Others is up to you to decide, at whatever points in your life. We get multiple opportunities at it.

(God never gives up on us. AND, I think some people have not fully stepped into 'what' they are supposed to do in life, BECAUSE they are prepped FOR a specific job AT a specific Hour. ... For such a Time as This.)

The Universe will flow Blessings towards you. Nurture yourself. Learn. Tank-up. Get strong..... Then, (from the feedback), you practice what works, what flows....

I recall a time in my life, late 1980s/early 90s. I used to get up a few hours early (before having to take on my young children, my full-time job), to spend time growing my spiritual self (reading/studying Bible at that time ... I've spent time studying meta-philosophies too-- so I had 'that' strong in my background also).

I had bought a large rectangular framed picture of a Tall Ship. ..... And in a 'stillness' moment, I saw the Purpose of the ship. That ship looked absolutely Majestic... If you've ever gone to a Harbor and visited Tall Ships, they are Great and Beautiful, and to be Admired for their Glory there.....

But that Ship has a Purpose beyond how it looks safe in that Harbor. It was 'created' to Sail. It was created to take people and goods across a Massive Body of Waters, filled with challenges, on the way to destinations. And the ultimate mission is to keep all Safe until they bridged the waters from land to land.

It's not the glory of the ship.... That ship is Built FOR something. Something very very Responsible.

On the seas, that ship is 'at the Mercy' of the elements, and the skills of the trained crew working together, in order to make those crossings successful.

'We' (who have callings, no matter how small or large in scale) are the ship. We are the crew for other people's boats too.

Be GLAD when people 'see' in you something that you weren't expecting of yourself. Especially when different people consistently at giving you a similar message. It COULD be a Clue to what you came on earth to do....

Love. Love 'what' that is in you. Nurture it. Observe it. ... Grow it. Use it.

I'm near my 'end of life' stage. Many of you are still very young, or, finalizing your midlife transits.

Sometimes I look at all the storms I've been through.... I didn't have someone there telling me that I Am A Ship. I thought I was in the sea drowning all alone. I thought I was going to die. I thought life was trying to isolate and Kill me. ... And it almost did, a handful of times. And thank God, I Survived.

I lost so many wonderful things in life... At least, I imagined and 'thought' they would have been wonderful NOW, at the last stage of my life.

But there were other things I accomplished, which were very invisible to my peers at those times, but significant in their impact (actually) in the world at large.

" "Sing, barren woman, you who never bore a child; burst into song, shout for joy, you who were never in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband," says the LORD."
--Isaiah 54:1 {old testament, scriptures, NIV}

The above quote.... is what I 'heard' in my spirit that day I beheld that Tall Ship, and Spirit was prepping me for that lesson about life.

And most of my 'children' have been spiritual children, I've served Spirit... at little to no earth reward. The reward I had was that I 'knew' I had significantly been a part... that I 'catalyzed' others who did greatness (by earth standards).

I have NOT done my life perfectly. I've felt invisible in life, but radiating like nuclear on the inside.

GOD was Perfecting me 'just as I was' IN my failures, through every doubting, IN my sense of not-having-achieved much in the mundane and earthly-ambitious ways.
... (Or, my 'belief' that I haven't yet achieved anything.... because, 'it ain't over' till you've dropped that birthday suit for good.)
We never know 'what' is around that next corner.....
Wait for it. Still Wait for it.....

When we are Tried, after we are tried, we shall come forth like Gold. {scripture}

(music) Love Song -(Elton John, from Tumbleweed Connection) [3:41] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14nD-QMjFvI

posted January 19, 2017 03:39 PM            

Make sure you've saved a copy of whatever you wanted... so you could repost if needed.

posted January 19, 2017 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
:laughing: Aren't you cute!!

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Lol like a monkey trying to figure out how to use tools - "Oh poor thing is trying so hard".

Seriously though, this "service" thing wears me out. I know it's good n all, n it suits my ideals. But feeling so compelled is tiring. I do this "service" thing because I wouldn't have peace of mind otherwise.