posted January 17, 2017 06:26 AM            

I'm not saying and venus/mars and sun/moon connections aren't frequent and deep, I am saying that the pairs I mentioned above can play out way more magically than the traditional ones.

mars aspecting venus or the sun aspecting moon are nice, but quite basic relationship-y. somehow cliche. I have the feeling that the most exiting human relations include at least one of these two (sun/venus, mars/moon) connections.

posted January 17, 2017 10:19 AM            

In synastry with my s.o, we have sun-moon dw (oppose n trine), two sets of mars-venus forming earth grand trine, and his sun square my venus. The sun-moon pretty much set the main theme of our relationship. About the mars-venus, perhaps because having an earth-dominated chart, the earth grand trine gives a sort of "completed" feeling. I think the sun square venus, despite being almost exact, got drowned by the other pairs - I read articles about it, and never could relate.

In most of my close inter-personal relationships, there's mars-venus and/or sun-moon.

Sometimes I have moon-mars where I'm the moon, and I like the effect. As for my mars aspecting another person's moon - I don't have any memorable/notable experience.

So I would choose mars/venus, or their mars-my moon.

posted January 17, 2017 10:57 AM            

Whatever it touches, Venus makes "pleasant". If you're gonna be around someone as much as you will be in a marriage, their company better feel pleasant to you. It also adds an ability to forgive and simply enjoy each other's company. Sorta like a Sun-Jupiter Lite. Minus the mutual extravagance.

The beauty of Sun-Venus aspects is that they don't need to be in orb. If it's a strong aspect, such as a conjunction or trine - by sign works as well as by orb. I've seen a lot of people end up with trined Sun-Venus relationships. (Off the top of my head - my Leo Venus friend is marrying an Aries, my Aries friend is marrying an Aries venus guy, my Leo venus colleague married a Leo, Libra venus friend is going steady with a Gemmy boy).

I'd also like to add Venus-Venus for long-term compatibility. If it's a square, they frustrate each other long-term. But they stick together, trying to figure it out.

posted January 17, 2017 12:39 PM            

These days though I would hesitate to rank aspects like that; different combinations simply have their own particular energy and you'll find all sorts in researching compatibility.

It has totally been noted that Sun/Venus connections are tres important (as in Westran's research into the data of progressions in synastry and timing of hook-ups). You can see it everywhere, as you say. Venus-Sun is gorgeous; no doubt.

And it is very much agreed upon that Moon-Mars generates a deep and very real passion. I do like to see Moon-Mars contacts because it indicates there is a genuineness to the physical/emotional connection which is always going to be moving for the two (when they make physical contact especially). It can be too hot to handle sometimes, because Moon is so sensitive to Mars, and Mars is so keen on Moon.. requires tact and indications of gentleness and mutual understanding and benevolence elsewhere to work out as a harmonious aspect long term. Harmony can be achieved with this one but there are bumpy parts too... domestic strife comes to mind. Think Mars in the 4th or Moon in the 1st. Volatile. Can be sensuous. You get lots of things in one package of course as with any aspect...

The potency of Sun/Venus, Moon/Mars doesn't necessarily detract from the potency of Sun/Moon, Mars/Venus contacts--although i understand how in comparison they seem a little drab and blase... my astrological learning is guiding me back to a deep appreciation of the things we begin to take for granted. .

Sun/Moon isn't clichéd... I mean I understand one gets tired of reading about these contacts, same with Venus/Mars, but astrology doesn't get tired of itself. The Sun and the Moon are so important, the alchemical marriage, the true union of complementary opposites, the King and the Queen of the sky... any contact with either of the lights is going to be essential and felt. A contact between them is kind of in a class by itself. These aren't planets, as my teacher has stressed... they are *lights*.

It's pretty desirable to have at least a minor aspect between the Sun and the Moon, or some collection or connection... even if it's just Draconic charts. If the Sun and the Moon don't agree, say there's a quincunx... that's going to be a central facet of the relationship. If they do, it will also be a keynote, although the flow and ease and sense of belonging together could be taken for granted... Sun/Moon conjunctions can generate a decidedly lovely vibe, other factors being in harmony... Moon feels a really deep resonance with the Sun person's essential Self; their quintessence is a magic balm which gives the Moon a sense of familiarity. The Sun knows they are being deeply appreciated by the Moon, often feels a baseline sympathy and resonance and is a guiding illuminating encouraging presence. Mutual appreciation is high, these two feel seen by one another. How they see one another is determined by aspect and it can be tense, of course... but still, a basic recognition exists.

Anyway i could go on and on about Sun/Moon and others have done it better before me!

I would say though that it is good to have one of the four you've mentioned for basic physical/emotional compatibility. Contacts between personal planets are essential.

Venus/Mars contacts can provide a very important element for continued electricity and passion, the feeling of being in a state of tension sexually. It's very common to see these aspects in love affairs, and it can carry a couple through and keep things romantic and exciting when they are together long term... of course one can accuse Venus of superficiality and Mars of over-aggressive tendencies, but this can happen with any planet, it can express different qualities. Venus-Mars can give the sense of an exciting chase, a really fulfilling appreciation of one another's style of physical expression, and a rising to meet one another in our sexual and romantic element. Venus/Mars is really creative. Not fecund in the same instinctive way as Moon/Mars, not like motion of waves on skin-to-skin contact; often Venus/Mars is more the grand dance, costumes and intrigue and all. It's like the bird sowing his pretty plumage to the other bird... it's impressive and exciting. And this is, for many people, an important part of romance. Whether it carries on long term is dependent on all kinds of factors. But if all you have is Moon/Mars, and very few Venus contacts, that sense of being *impressed* with your partner might not be strong enough. It depends on individual personality types, placements by sign etc etc, whether those Venus/Mars connections, that sort of gallantry and impressive actions of romantic fervor, are going to be important.

At the basic level I guess I want to say too that Venus in a Venus Mars contact is going to value Mars for their physicality, which easily produces a sexual dynamic, whereas Mars feels moved and ignited by Venus ' attractiveness and their ability to evaluate and appreciate things. It makes Mars want to rise to the occasion. This can really stimulate mutual growth, actually. They're both bringing their A-game. It can be seen, smelled, and touched! Venus is not some ice queen compared with the Moon after all

Whether or not we are lacking a Sun/Moon contact in synastry, each person is going to be affected a lot by contacts to their Sun/Moon midpoint. These are likely the most important contacts in any comparison, as far as I have seen. If i had to rank importance, that is (which i know i just said i don't like to do).

They generate an extremely powerful sense of resonance, and this is because of the basic importance of the soli-lunar relationship in all of our life processes.

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Personal observations...

As for my personal experience, Sun/Venus and Mars/Moon contacts sure hold water: we have a double whammy between both in synastry (Sun opposite Venus d/w, Moon conjunct Mars and Moon trine Mars) and like aspects in composite (Sun conjunct Venus, and Moon trine Mars in Davison).

I can attest that it is compelling, as I wouldn't stick around for just anything at this point in my life... but i can feel the lack of a big aspect from his Mars to my Venus, and I know how different it would be if there were an aspect there! I have seen how he acts when his Mars is stimulated by a Venus! Well we will have a progressed opposition eventually!

We have only a 3 degree sextile, my Mars sextile his Venus (his Venus applying to my Mars). Ohhh yeah and his Mars is quinqueundecile my Venus... right. Haha oh boy, is it ever... (???)

And we have Sun triseptile Moon quite tight, which really describes the mystical strangeness of our brand of sympatico. There's also a Sun/Moon conjunction in the draconic chart comparison. Sometimes it shines through

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posted January 17, 2017 02:58 PM            

what I mean about the sun/moon or venus/mars being cliche, is the typical male/female interactions.

in mars/moon connections, to me it seems like the mars wants it so bad, even more than when it's venus the mars is aspecting.

sun/venus interactions seem to have the most longevity.

I have seen many supposedly good sun/moon and hot venus/mars relationships fail (of course there might be other planets responsible for the breakup or either of the the said planets often have a hard aspect to one's own uranus for instance).

posted January 17, 2017 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

I can attest that it is compelling, as I wouldn't stick around for just anything at this point in my life... but i can feel the lack of a big aspect from his Mars to my Venus, and I know how different it would be if there were an aspect there! I have seen how he acts when his Mars is stimulated by a Venus! Well we will have a progressed opposition eventually!

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I do have the Mars/Venus conjunction with another guy, mutual friends with the other couple. It's a very lusty aspect. You describe it very well. For all intents and purposes, we should be couple, but we have Sun/Chiron DW conjunction which puts the fire out on everything .

I can imagine Moon/Mars would be very passionate, too. Met a guy who I was very smitten with. His Sun was in my 8th house conjunct my Mercury and trine my Moon. I only had a brief exposure to this aspect but I can say it felt great. Really really nice, actually. Prehaps because I have a natal Sun square Moon. The Moon was transiting my natal Mars the day we met.

posted January 18, 2017 08:14 AM            

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The beauty of Sun-Venus aspects is that they don't need to be in orb. If it's a strong aspect, such as a conjunction or trine - by sign works as well as by orb. [/B]

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That is interesting to know. I always thought that they had to be in orbs. My s.o' venus is in virgo, my sun is in cap. Thinking about the couples I know, venus-sun (by sign) pops up quite frequently, especially conjunction.

My breath caught when I read the part where you described moon-mars. There's this person (he's a friend now). Our suns n moons make a grand cross. Then his mars conj my venus, square my moon, scorp venus looming on my taurus mars. The "pull" was like a punch in the gut. It wasn't even sexual. There was a lot of boiling energy and we couldn't put our fingers on it, name it or make sense ofit Didn't know what to do. Confusion, frustration, crackling tension. Near "the end", it made me feel like being eviscerated. Funny thing is, it stopped just as abruptly as it began. We stopped talking and it felt like a heavy stone was lifted from my chest. After some time when we talked again, there were tender feelings and affection. Pretty surreal.

posted January 18, 2017 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
The beauty of Sun-Venus aspects is that they don't need to be in orb. If it's a strong aspect, such as a conjunction or trine - by sign works as well as by orb. I've seen a lot of people end up with trined Sun-Venus relationships.

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posted January 18, 2017 09:14 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
That is interesting to know. I always thought that they had to be in orbs. My s.o' venus is in virgo, my sun is in cap. Thinking about the couples I know, venus-sun (by sign) pops up quite frequently, especially conjunction.

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
My breath caught when I read the part where you described moon-mars. There's this person (he's a friend now). Our suns n moons make a grand cross. Then his mars conj my venus, square my moon, scorp venus looming on my taurus mars. The "pull" was like a punch in the gut. It wasn't even sexual. There was a lot of boiling energy and we couldn't put our fingers on it, name it or make sense ofit Didn't know what to do. Confusion, frustration, crackling tension. Near "the end", it made me feel like being eviscerated. Funny thing is, it stopped just as abruptly as it began. We stopped talking and it felt like a heavy stone was lifted from my chest. After some time when we talked again, there were tender feelings and affection. Pretty surreal.

I have my share of wounds n bruises over the years I share with my s.o, but the pain has never been like that. It has never triggered my sense of self-preservation.

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posted January 18, 2017 09:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
True in my marriage. My sun trine his Venus by sign; his sun trine my Venus by 1°.

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posted January 18, 2017 10:07 AM            

This is such an interesting thread.

@muddy, you write so vividly, I'm sitting here in awe.

@yungang, brilliant ~ and I agree with you on all points.

posted January 18, 2017 07:39 PM            

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WOW!!!

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posted January 18, 2017 09:05 PM            

Its ironic that I say this (Given that your ex has the same birthday as me for the exception of time and place) but my Venus forms a conjunction with Taurus 9/10 times.

I never experienced it as a sexual attraction more like a best female friend I can trust.

For example there was one Taurus I knew where my Venus conjunct her sun and I swear she would give me random hugs at the right times and would stop me from being grumpy for the day.

I would put mars as a bigger attraction.

posted January 18, 2017 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
@girlwiththerainysoul

Its ironic that I say this (Given that your ex has the same birthday as me for the exception of time and place) but my Venus forms a conjunction with Taurus 9/10 times.

I never experienced it as a sexual attraction more like a best female friend I can trust.

For example there was one Taurus I knew where my Venus conjunct her sun and I swear she would give me random hugs at the right times and would stop me from being grumpy for the day.

I would put mars as a bigger attraction.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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posted January 18, 2017 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
@girlwiththerainysoul

Its ironic that I say this (Given that your ex has the same birthday as me for the exception of time and place) but my Venus forms a conjunction with Taurus 9/10 times.

I never experienced it as a sexual attraction more like a best female friend I can trust.

For example there was one Taurus I knew where my Venus conjunct her sun and I swear she would give me random hugs at the right times and would stop me from being grumpy for the day.

I would put mars as a bigger attraction.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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of course mars is the planet of sexual attraction after all.

and the said ex's venus by the way wasn't conjunct my sun. the orb was like 15 degrees!

posted January 18, 2017 11:16 PM            

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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:

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I personally don't like it at all when my masculine planet (sun, mars) aspect men's feminine planets (moon, venus). I always like it the other way around.

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I agree my Aquarian female friend has a much stronger mars then me which adds a source of conflict. We have a Venus/Moon conjunction for harmony...but she can "get hot headed".

I also had Mars/Moon with an Aries, she was the Mars. But man did she come strong and scare me away quickly. "Get me away from her, she's a complete liability...I could loose everything".

So yes better the other way.

@Beautiful_Light
I'm up to it if you are, as long as were both anonymous thought.

posted January 19, 2017 12:35 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
@Beautiful_Light
I'm up to it if you are, as long as were both anonymous thought.

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posted January 19, 2017 04:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:

Haha. Yeah, just hypothetically. What degree is your Mars?

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2 Degrees.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer