posted January 31, 2017 03:57 PM            

I know 4th house is seen as home country and 9th house is seen as foreign country in Vedic. That even 12th house can indicate a foreign country.

In western...I would think it be something similar....4th home and 9th overseas.

posted January 31, 2017 04:39 PM            

Just a few indicators that come to mind:
-Uranus in 4H (I've seen more wanderlust, travel-addicts with this one but not permanent moves to foreign countries, though still possible)
-9H stellium
-Strong mutable (esp Sagittarius)

posted February 01, 2017 06:07 AM            

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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
I'm that person. Jupiter in 4H. Nothing else interesting.. I have a very busy 3H and (ruler of my 9H is in 3H) but don't think 3H is about moving abroad long-term.

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Have you lived aboard as something permanent?

9H in 3H

3H could be short distance travels...but maybe 3H also indicates temporary distance. Like you travel, but only stay for a short time before returning home or traveling to a new location.

Maybe 9h in 3rd house might be foreign language. Since it may indicate you learning a foreign language or communicating to foreigners... it could point to some time in your life where you live or travel out of your native speaking country.

3rd house is also primary school/high school. (even can indicate undergraduate degrees: bachelors degree)
9th house is of knowledge...maybe it indicates you have gone to school in a foreign country during your

posted February 01, 2017 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by LibraGirl92:
I am currently living aboard in New Zealand and want to live here permanently with my fiance who is a new zealander i am currently in the process getting my partnership work visa to stay and work and then this julu i am going to apply for residency :-) and i have Sagittarius on 4th house and have uranus and neptune in the 4th.

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That makes sense... Sagittarius is a traveling sign. But it probably can't be the only thing because there are probably millions with Sagittarius in 4th. But, it is the beginning working grounds for that possibility to happen.

Uranus I for sure can see that being so. Uranus is about a shake up, disturbance, or something 'different'

Neptune... not hundred percent sure how that ties in. (I use traditional rulers in my astrology). It could indicate the fact you are in New Zealand. A lot of water...New zealand is an island if I remember correctly. Just a good size island to allow a chunky population to live there.

posted February 01, 2017 06:14 AM            

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Originally posted by aquagembaby:
I think it's probably a combination of things

Just a few indicators that come to mind:
-Uranus in 4H (I've seen more wanderlust, travel-addicts with this one but not permanent moves to foreign countries, though still possible)
-9H stellium
-Strong mutable (esp Sagittarius)

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Thank you for this information

Have you found any patterns to indicate a person learning a foreign language?

I suppose some people live abroad and know the language of the country while others may live abroad and not know the language.

posted February 01, 2017 06:18 AM            

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Originally posted by leo_moon:
I was raised in a country I wasn't born in. I have Sun, Moon, True Node in 9th. And lots of mutables in the chart.

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So seems like mutables and ties to 9th house can put someone far away from their birth place.

posted February 01, 2017 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
I have lived abroad 50% of my life. Moved away when I was 17. I have lots of planets in mutable houses and Jupiter in 9H. That's about it.

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Live abroad 50% does that mean you temporarily live in a foreign country for some months or years and then come back to your home country?

posted February 01, 2017 01:47 PM            

Mars on the Moon
Mars on the IC/MC axis

Moon/Sun in 3rd
Moon/Sun in 9th
Moon/Sun in 12th

Mars/Venus/Jupiter in 9th
Mars/Venus/Jupiter in 3rd

For permanent moves,I would reckon Pluto crossing the IC/MC axis from the 3rd/9th house respectively.

Ruler of the 4th house in 3rd, 9th or 12th.
Ruler of the 2nd house in 3rd, 9th or 12th.

Jupiter-Mars aspects
Jupiter-Uranus aspects
Jupiter-Pluto aspects

posted February 01, 2017 03:24 PM            

I'll come back later with a more full response than this one.

posted February 01, 2017 03:32 PM              

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
If Saturn aspects Jupiter, the move could be because of career opportunities. But the settling could turn out permanent.

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posted February 01, 2017 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Uranus on the Moon
Uranus on the IC/MC axis

Mars on the Moon
Mars on the IC/MC axis

Moon/Sun in 3rd
Moon/Sun in 9th
Moon/Sun in 12th

Mars/Venus/Jupiter in 9th
Mars/Venus/Jupiter in 3rd

For permanent moves,I would reckon Pluto crossing the IC/MC axis from the 3rd/9th house respectively.

Ruler of the 4th house in 3rd, 9th or 12th.
Ruler of the 2nd house in 3rd, 9th or 12th.

Jupiter-Mars aspects
Jupiter-Uranus aspects
Jupiter-Pluto aspects

If Saturn aspects Jupiter, the move could be because of career opportunities. But the settling could turn out permanent.

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I really appreciate this information. Thank you. I'll have to note this in my notebook.

I have a lot of these indicators and I been working toward settling in a foreign country.

It also seems to align with what everyone has stated above.

My question is how do you tell the difference between 12th house isolation from family being because of long distance vs being in prison/institution?

I am curious what your answer will be to bonsai above

posted February 01, 2017 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by AutumnNight:
Have you lived aboard as something permanent?

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posted February 01, 2017 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by AutumnNight:
That makes sense... Sagittarius is a traveling sign. But it probably can't be the only thing because there are probably millions with Sagittarius in 4th. But, it is the beginning working grounds for that possibility to happen.

Uranus I for sure can see that being so. Uranus is about a shake up, disturbance, or something 'different'

Neptune... not hundred percent sure how that ties in. (I use traditional rulers in my astrology). It could indicate the fact you are in New Zealand. A lot of water...New zealand is an island if I remember correctly. Just a good size island to allow a chunky population to live there.

May I ask do you have anything with your 5th house or with your 5th lord that indicates you traveling abroad and finding love? OR
did you travel abroad to be with someone you love?

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posted February 02, 2017 05:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Uranus on the Moon
Uranus on the IC/MC axis

Mars on the Moon
Mars on the IC/MC axis

Moon/Sun in 3rd
Moon/Sun in 9th
Moon/Sun in 12th

Mars/Venus/Jupiter in 9th
Mars/Venus/Jupiter in 3rd

For permanent moves,I would reckon Pluto crossing the IC/MC axis from the 3rd/9th house respectively.

Ruler of the 4th house in 3rd, 9th or 12th.
Ruler of the 2nd house in 3rd, 9th or 12th.

Jupiter-Mars aspects
Jupiter-Uranus aspects
Jupiter-Pluto aspects

If Saturn aspects Jupiter, the move could be because of career opportunities. But the settling could turn out permanent.

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which one of these do you mean during the transits and which ones aspects in the natal? I was wondering

posted February 02, 2017 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by AutumnNight:
Live abroad 50% does that mean you temporarily live in a foreign country for some months or years and then come back to your home country?

Seems like Jupiter plays some type of effect in 9th house... but not sure why yet. Maybe because Jupiter is the original ruler of 9th house.

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posted February 02, 2017 07:21 AM            

Thank you for sharing I appreciate it.

Well your Uranus in 4th house is conjunct with the 5th cusp...You 5th cusp starts around 16 degrees and your uranus is a little over 14 degrees.

That could explain it....you go to a foreign country, finding love/already being in love, and now looking for permanent residency in new country.

But, other that that you are correct no major relations with 5th lord and relocation. At least that this newbie (me) can see.

**using traditional rulers not modern**

posted February 02, 2017 07:25 AM            

I suppose it may just be the jupiter in 9th because you did travel...but you ended up back home in Europe.

So I guess Jupiter in 9th shows more of a traveler than someone who may stays in (a) foreign land/s all their life until their time on earth is over.

Appreciate you sharing so I can learn this aspect better.

posted February 04, 2017 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by bonsai:
Do you mean transit Saturn or natal aspects between Saturn and Jupiter? Reason why I ask is because transit Saturn in 4th house is currently squaring my natal Jupiter in 7th house.

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I can see how it can be relevant in both.

Saturn doesn't suggest moves. But if such moves are imminent, they are very necessary because circumstances are strenuous or unavoidable.

Unlike Uranus, Saturn has a cold sober effect. So its not so much a "wanting to experience something new" but rather a "taking on something new because YOU are the only person who has to".

Saturn is conjunct my natal Jupiter right now and so I empathize with the square with your Jupiter.As it is an austere period for me

Personally I see the MC/IC axis as pivotal in asserting a sure shift or some circumstantial change in family dynamics/career.

The square aspect to a planet therein could suggest something more psychological.

Since Jupiter is in the 7th and Saturn squares it,there could be some disappointment that is linked to the partner.

Saturn square will remove many ideals that you project on them and around this time , you may get to see them as they are. Not what you have imagined them to be.

The result is that you could decide to pull away from them-because they don't measure up. Or you could come to the conclusion that "it is better the devil I know" and work with what you have etc.

If you are single,much of your beliefs of "the one" may be watered down to a more realistic standard.One that is more attainable and will land you a longer list of prospective candidates .

On a personal level much of your own beliefs in what being in relationship means, will
need revision.

The effect may be that you may decide to write off some friends or keep your distance from them-as you want more "truth" and maturity from your company now more than ever.