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nigemoonman
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posted February 02, 2017 08:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I have an almost exact Biquintile from natal 6 Ar 38 Moon, to 0 Vi 31 Asc, at (0:09 deg orb). The Biquintile is said to be a minor aspect, but for me, it feels like one of the strongest aspects in my chart, because it is between Moon and Asc, and so tight. I'm very in tune to people's moods, how they are feeling, what they are thinking and so on. And also in tune to my environment. I like this aspect for the ability it gives for research, and for investigation. If I am trying to figure out a problem, it's not all about logic, most of the best things I've worked out came from my feelings. I use logic to think about a problem, and from only a small fleeting idea, my feelings will know if it's correct. It's as if from the smallest shred of evidence, I will know I've got the answer, by an overwhelming feeling I get. My moon is also Sesquiquadrate to 22 Le 25 Mercury, , at just under 1 degree orb (0:43 deg). This probably also has something to do with the way I solve problems.

My question is to do with relocation. There is a place I would like to relocate to, I would lose my Moon Biquintile to Asc, and gain a Moon Sesquiquadrate to Asc. This aspect would be almost exact, (0:02 deg orb). My new Asc would be at 21 Le 40, and place my Sun and Mercury in the 1st house, they would all be conjunct each other (my sun is at 23 Le 09).

When I say that I'd lose my Moon Ascendant Biquintile, I know that it's said you will always still have your aspects if you relocate, but I'd think it must be weakened somewhat.

I've read readings for Moon Sesquiquadrate to Asc, and they say it is stressful and hard to show your feelings to people. The image you project can be different to how you feel. I've read it's similar to the square, but not as powerful an effect. The square readings say: highly emotional. body language is expressive, not always a true reflection of how you actually feel. Uncertainty about how others will respond to you if you do express your true feelings. highly sensitive to the moods of people around you and the emotional atmosphere of your immediate surroundings. As you develop and grow, and with experience, you might learn to be less self-conscious about expressing your true feelings, and less inclined to imagine disapproving reactions to them. from: https://cafeastrology.com/natal/moonascendantaspects.html

It's strange, but that description almost exactly describes me. I only just found that on google, copied it here, if you read what I wrote above, it's very similar. I wrote 'I'm very in tune to people's moods, how they are feeling, what they are thinking and so on. And also in tune to my environment.'

It's like I've just answered my own question by writing it here, the Moon Sesquiquadrate to Asc, they say is similar to the Moon Square Asc, and the square also seems very similar to my biquintile.

It may be an interesting place to relocate to, because my Moon would become Sesquiquadrate to my Asc, and it would be an Aries moon to a Leo Asc, instead of Aries moon to Virgo. That may be more compatible with 2 fire signs? I just wonder how different the energies of this would be. On the one hand, I would like to feel more confident and become more sociable. A Leo Asc with my Mercury and Sun in the 1st house all conjunct, could help there. But on the other hand, I don't want to lose (or have it weakened) my ability to research and use my logic and feelings to work things out, and my analytical Virgo Asc, I think helps that a lot. If I relocated to a place where My Virgo Asc and Moon Biquintile may weaken, could I change, maybe lose interest in study and research, and possible gain other interests instead? Also with my mercury conjunct Sun, I have these in the 12th house, this is probably helping me to enjoy staying in, on my own and doing investigative research. If I move, my Mercury and Sun would go into the 1st house, that may change me, could affect my career.

Does anyone have any thought or advice about this.

P.S. I've just read a description for my Moon Sesquiquadrate Mercury aspect, and it said, You may feel confused when deciding whether to act in accordance with your feelings or in accordance with your reason, for the two options appear to be mutually exclusive. I don't think that describes me as well, I can work things out from my feelings, and other people may ask me how can I know that, and sometimes it can be very difficult to explain, but when I get a certain overpowering feeling about something, I know it's right. I don't get confused with my logic and my feelings, if I get a strong feeling, then my logic will do the research necessary to work it out. But even when I am researching something, my feelings will guide me. I would say that with my mercury, I find it difficult to explain things I've worked out to people, their reactions when I am explaining to them, if they aren't following me, or if they have any doubt in what I'm saying, I lose my train of thought and can not explain myself. So it may come across as if I'm unsure, even though I'm positive. Through writing,I can explain myself so much better.

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posted February 02, 2017 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nigemoonman:
It may be an interesting place to relocate to, because my Moon would become Sesquiquadrate to my Asc, and it would be an Aries moon to a Leo Asc, instead of Aries moon to Virgo. That may be more compatible with 2 fire signs? I just wonder how different the energies of this would be.

I had read this before somewhere and just found a topic on this forum about it. If you have an aspect between the same elements then a disharmonious aspect can actually become quite good. Sesquiquadrates aspects can often be between same element signs, when they are, they could work a lot better for you.

Here is the post:
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By Mercurian Intellect

I would think that there will be less tension with the planets in the same element squaring.

Although, I think these kinds of squares are more controlled, and thus, directed into mastery with a more intense desire. But it is natural and at ease to feel the intense direction, as YOU control it yourself, and are a strong person because of it.
The drawback of this is that you seem like a hard-edged person within that department because you are so sure of yourself. And that's where the tension between "these" kind of squares happen.

The energy is used to the max. It's a natural part of you, and you accept it, unlike other squares, where there is constant tension within the self.

Basically, it's like a more positive square.

Link: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/226578.html
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So I think that my Moon making a Sesquiquadrate to my Asc, from Aries to Leo Asc, instead of Aries to Virgo, would be a lot better.

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posted February 03, 2017 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a link to my original chart (10% orbs)...


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and relocation chart (10% orbs)...
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posted February 03, 2017 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nigemoonman:
Here is a link to my original chart...

https://s27.postimg.org/ltz7czgn7/original_chart.jpg

and relocation chart...

https://s24.postimg.org/fabkri6s5/relocation_chart.jpg


Energizing your links ... by removing 's' from https.
http://s27.postimg.org/ltz7czgn7/original_chart.jpg
http://s24.postimg.org/fabkri6s5/relocation_chart.jpg

You can POST these images by using
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posted February 03, 2017 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:
Energizing your links ... by removing 's' from https.

Thanks mirage29

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posted February 03, 2017 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nigemoonman Just asking....
Is this a possible job move?
What kind of work?

You mentioned research and investigation?

ADD ... by the way

If you edit back into the post where you have links to your charts, and use the Code [img] http...{chart}.....jpeg [/img], then you will have control over your chart (in case you'd want to remove it some day).

If you post your images, I'll edit and delete them from under my username.

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posted February 03, 2017 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
Nigemoonman Just asking....
Is this a possible job move?
What kind of work?

You mentioned research and investigation?


Hi, I've been interested in solar system and galaxy formation research since April 2011, I'm writing a book on everything I've worked out so far. During my studies, I've often said that it is similar to any type of criminal investigation, where I'm looking for the tiniest bits of evidence, that have been overlooked. I can see things that become obvious to me, then it's the hardest part, a lot of research so I can show to others what I've figured out.

Recently I decided to find out how similar it is to criminal investigation, so I looked at a well known case, and for the last 6 weeks have been researching it. It is very similar, and has taken up all my interest for the moment. I've written a short book of around 40 pages about the investigation, it's almost due for release. I've found a lot of important things that have been overlooked and good evidence to show it.

I'm just wanting to move out of the city to cleaner air, and to carry on research and writing...

Here is an image of my chart with all close 15deg aspects.It involves a lot of outer planets but also my ascendant. I'm worried if I did move that I would lose the ascendant aspects or they would become weakened..


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posted February 03, 2017 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mirage29:
use the Code [img] http...{chart}.....jpeg [/img], then you will have control over your chart (in case you'd want to remove it some day).

If you post your images, I'll edit and delete them from under my username. [/B]


Thanks mirage29, all done

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posted February 03, 2017 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You DO have a detail-oriented bent... showing up even in your chart and the presentation of chart-graphics!

Congratulations on your project. Sounds very fruitful and exciting.

As far as the relo is concerned? You might find it energizing? Look at your Sun-Mercury shifting into the 1st House.. Giving you a LEO Rising, too. That may be a good move for building an image. (Try to monitor the boost to your ego, so as to keep that in-balance). It may give you more charisma, allow you to be seen.

RELO Innovating Uranus "supports" flow with your career MC with a trine, while Saturn provides sextiles the relo MC. Saturn to the H8 is good for stablizing money after you have establish and worked hard. Also, since you are a researcher, could help you to tune-in and pin-down more of those Cosmic ideas?


Jupiter moves to H11, expands networks and highlights and gives favor in social circles.

Pluto into your 2nd, can be hard on self-esteem/confidence, YET, helps you to harness some of your more hidden-talents, and, bring some wealth? Relo trines your MC.

Be 'mindful' of clashes with established authority... and if you become one of them, you be mindful of what that was like to be under the thumb of others. Golden rule-- treat others the way YOU would want to be treated. Remember that.

Part of Fortune/Vertex moves to your 5th House of Creativity. Concentrated lessons (hardship AND great blessing and Joy), with fated opportunities that could avail. There would be another relo Eclipse ON your 5th House cusp, were you to move by or in August.

In any move, we have to 'adjust' ourselves to our new life.... Yours could become more publically open? Maybe you'll find the trine and sextile (enabling you more energy to focus on your career and soul-spiritual goals) to enable or boost you?

We are having an ECLIPSE at the degree of your Sun and Mercury.....

Why don't you plan a trip to WHERE you want to relocate, and allow the eclipse to imprint you IN the place you believe you want to be?

If you stand/stay at your relo, you can energetically evaluate the effects on you?

Even if you would stay where you are?, you'd HAVE the imprint-energy of the relo chart, active for a while in your life.

It's up to you...

You've almost cleared your Chiron-Return... That manifests as health concerns sometimes.

Monitor your resources carefully? Maybe make sure to vet your partners who you would rely on for income, or resources? ... H8 is govt bank resources too????.... hmmmm.

(The world is really kind of unstable right now, economically.... I really wish you good fortunes and the Best out there in UK. Hoping the Universe helps to Position you for Wealth... Just, don't forget Others, too.)

Do you have a copy of Robert Hand's Planets in Transit? ... You may want to read and apply meanings there. (H12 Sun Mercury to H1; H3/IC Neptune to H4/IC; H7 Saturn to H8). You may like some of the things you'll read.)


Don't sweat the small-stuff? I realize you might be nervous about it... Remember, that what you feed will grow. That's an advantage to you, when you already understand that.


A long time ago, I saw a vid with two astrologers discussing the minor aspects.
{ref. Rick Levine, Jeff Jawer(RIP)}

The sesquiquadrate is a Stress + Alert State 'WHILE the action is going on.'

For example, you're driving and you see a traffic light about to turn red. That 'stress state' very-subtle almost unnoticeable anxiety we override is the 'stress background' of this aspect.

(Rick Levine is also adept at the Creative aspects, like the quintiles, biquintiles, and the 'other-worldly' septiles (1/7th). If you can ever afford it, you might have him take a look at your chart for these?)

As you've already yourself stated, you'll 'keep' your natal-potentials... Actually, EVERYTHING can change according to what you FOCUS on... The chart is a tool, and you rise above your challenges and grow, the older and more-experienced at Life you get. YOU are able to use ANY part of your chart to its advantage. Like a soundboard, you keep adjusting and working with your levels, as your Life Symphony needs come. Not everything that at-glance looks negative, IS negative?... sometimes those things are 'part' of a whole we play in Society. Combined with Others, we Balance strengths, weaknesses. Weaknesses don't have to be 'weak'... you have to be vulnerable to pick up on Sensitive info. Be softer sometimes, where being hard won't allow you to Receive.... (philosophical here, LOL)

Don't Worry, Be Happy.
(I love the TNO's too!!! Thanks for showing those.)

I am VERY Heartened by your mention of your Beautiful Projects and an attempt to Understand the Wonders of our Cosmic Worlds... There's SOOOOO much magic out there. I APPRECIATE what you are doing.

For the LOVE of the Cosmos and its Mysteries...

(music) Cells, Planets (Erika Lloyd, arr Peterson; Avante) [6:15] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQMOH4C7CAc

I am a student, and not a professional astrologer... please keep that in mind?

I'm sooo impressed by what you're able to do with charting. I love the asteroids very much, too.

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*Please no whole quote? I might have to adjust some sentences for clarity.*

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posted February 03, 2017 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
You DO have a detail-oriented bent... showing up even in your chart and the presentation of chart-graphics!

Congratulations on your project. Sounds very fruitful and exciting.


Thanks for the really interesting reply mirage29, it's great to get input from other peoples ways of viewing things. I agree that I should go there for probably a few months and get the feeling for the place, as soon as I got there I would have a good idea. It is really good all the connections that it makes from my MC to outer planets. I would possible lose out on 6 strong aspects from my ascendant to outer planets, but I would gain with my MC. Plus Sun and Mercury in the first house conjunct Asc, I really want to go and experience this to see how I feel, and if my confidence increases (become more outgoing). I was worried about the Sesquiquadrate from Moon to Ascendant, but reading that as they are both fire signs it may work out as a good aspect has made my desire to go there stronger.

Thanks for the praise about my charts, I've been busy looking at Donald Trumps chart today and made two charts.

With the chart listing I posted for me, with all of my 15 degree close aspects, I've never seen another chart like it. From my Ascendant, I make very tight aspects to 6 outer planets, Sedna, Orcus, pluto, Saturn, Chariklo and 2002ms4.

I think it is unusual, and is the only thing I can think of, why I seem to be able to workout a lot of things with research into planets, solar system and galaxies.

That's my worry if I move, that I may lose ability or it may become weakened. Those 6 aspects to my 0 Vi 31 deg ascendant, would be gone.

I wish I knew for sure if that part of me would stay the same or if it would change...

I will definitely go there to find out though

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posted February 03, 2017 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You ARE Awesome....

And, you know that the TNO's are extremely slow-movers? ... These are more Generational, in their applications.

You know Amable's work?
How about Phil Sedgwick?

You're in the UK... omg... There are soo MANY Quality astrologers there. And there are several Schools, including Higher Education degrees WITH astrology-astronomy.

We're into integrating and synthesizing the whole Cosmos now!!! LOL

FYI-- I've heard that Steve Judd gives amazing readings.
(He's embarked on an extended trip to Denmark(?), right now I think... But when he comes back to UK, why don't you (buy a reading) with him, get to know him, then share some of your work interests with him? )

Melanie Reinhardt is in UK too... (asteroids!)

Oh... I could make a list! and could miss many good ones in the process.

Why not look into discussing your work with some faculty at the astrology-schools there in the UK??? omg, YOU are sooooo Blessed! Don't be shy.

(The magazine 'The Mountain Astrologer' has schools listed, and astrologers. Look into their recent past-issues. One was on online schools.)

You've GOT to get out-there with your Genius-Self, and start TALKing to the astrologers.

SHOW them what you've done. Show them a copy of your book/article you are planning to publish. Get INVOLVED in their Communities.

There are several astrological professional journals you could submit your work to out there?

astro.com ... website carries some of their articles. Look up the authors.

I mention Steve Judd especially, because I know he has a love love love-affair for the Cosmos. He's qualified in both Astronomy AND Astrology.

Go ahead.... contact someone personally.

You deserve good attention for what you are creating. LET them help you hone your skills?

You are in a 'sweet spot' of life-- months after Chiron-Return and before and during your 2nd Saturn Return...

This is the TIME... Take what you've been working on, go talk to the pros, see what they say!

Go sign up for a class/workshop. MINGLE with REAL people!!

Gah! I want to go into my lists of people I know are in the UK.... But YOU do it.

You are Awesome, and, You Can Do This!

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posted February 03, 2017 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheers mirage29,

I'm still not sure about this moon aspect to my Ascendant in the relocation chart.

The more I've been reading about the Biquintile moon to my Ascendant I have in my Natal chart, the more I think it has held me back with confidence, so may be better to stay away from any tense moon Asc aspects in a relocation chart.

I could still go and visit see how I feel but am really not sure of it.

I do need to get out and interact more, good advice there

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posted February 04, 2017 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great insight mirage!

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posted February 04, 2017 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also mirage29, my progressed moon is moving into Pisces on the 8th March, and into my natal H7 on the 23rd March.

Not sure how that could help for travelling, a Libra house maybe more sociable. And I will be going into my Progressed Full Moon Phase at 21st Dec 2020, I'm in the Gibbous phase now, so could be good for moving.

I have written one article for astro.com not long ago, about the Orcus-Neptune oppositions. And it was during the last one that I started my investigation book, there's no astrology in it, just all about trying to solve the case.

Here is the article: http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_orcus_neptune_e.htm

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posted February 06, 2017 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nigemoonman! Thank you soooo much for sharing the url of your article with us. Congratulations!

I saw your Trump charts... Thanks for adding those to our thread. You do Beautiful work formatting those. Meticulous.

I had just posted about Orcus a few days before you started this topic.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/004045.html

So... The Universe is giving us synchronicities?

I was very saddened when I read (as part of your article) that your Twin died. It happened just before your birthday? I'm soooo very sorry {{{ }}}


May I point out that your brother had a LEO Ascendant, and your relocation would GIVE you a LEO Ascendant. How close is your relo-degree to your brother's own Ascendant degree? Could the Universe be conspiring to move you out ONTO that LEO stage?

You said how dynamic (basically) your brother was, and how 'shy' you are in comparison. You shared the side-wings of that LEO stage around him. Perhaps now, you can give yourself permission? Things happened 'as' they need to happened, regarding his death? Forgive anything in yourself that needs forgiveness. He, through our contact, may have 'Orcus-trated' this greeting, and releases a Blessing over your life?

The LION Fixed Star Regulus moved into 0-Virgo. Yes... that's on YOUR Ascendant degree now! It used to be in LEO.

Consider going to visit that relo-place-- especially during the LEO eclipse (if you could)?

Towards the end of the month (Feb), there will be a NEW MOON eclipse in Pisces... (your 7th...) (And still, vet your associates, take care with contracts.)

(I could drive myself mad looking at your chart, and the transits. Gotta watch my time!!! Need to get some chores done, then I'll be gone tomorrow to do my volunteer job.)

You are very very sensitive, and maybe just spending at your relo-choice (during the eclipse), could give you a clue what a move there will feel like?

Like I've said before.... I want to APPRECIATE all that you do in digging into the Mysteries that are there to be Unlocked. You might feel shy/insignificant, but it's important work.

Even when things don't work out exactly as we planned for our lives, there's something 'else' even more important to discover..... and that's the fact that we are human beings, who go through terrible ordeals in life.

No one deserves to go through it alone. We deserve to have someone there for us, being Keepers-with-us during our pains, and vulnerable times... AND for People there with us to SHARE in our Joys, Accomplishments, and Triumphs, too!

Let go of any worries and fixations on losing the biQuintile... It's NOT going to go away if you relo. It's already IN the imprint of your Soul. You came IN with it.

I think that actually?, you might want to consider if maybe there's a part of you still trying to work out the DEEPER impact of your brother's death? Our psychological natures know what they are trying to do FOR us.

Wishing you profound Healings, and Blessed Connections with the Cosmos.

(music) Windmills Of Your Mind (Peter Grant) [3:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&feature=related&v=dLx83xXKmPA&gl=IL

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posted February 10, 2017 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheers mirage29, you have such a positive outlook, it's really good. Very interesting posting and that you have also been looking at Orcus.

I've been looking around for other places where I could relocate, but made the big mistake of seeing what type of places you could buy there, then I found one I really like, arghhh, lol...

I wanted to be more near to beaches, but was just checking for places that the Ascendant would be conjunct my Sun. I drew a line on the map following Leo 23.09 Degree, then checked the places it went through, I found a really good city, and looking at photos of it, I could see that it's 100% my type of place. Then I found somewhere small, that was more inland and again, looking through the photos I got a really good feeling for the place.

Strangely all the other areas I looked at that weren't exact on the Leo 23.09 deg I couldn't get the good feeling for them. It's like a similarity feeling, like I could fit in and not feel out of place.

A few years ago I went travelling, and visited a place where for relocation astrology. the new MC for me was at Tau 23.09 deg. This is different from looking at pictures, being there physically you can definitely get a lot more from a place. Anyhow, I felt amazing there, really good, then whenever I went to other places nearby, the feeling was not as strong.

I know about placebo affects and things like this, but Tau 23.09 deg MC I wasn't expecting it to feel good for me. That squares my Sun exactly but I felt amazing there, and even wanted to live there. I also tried going to MC Leo 22.21 deg to see if it may be a good effect squaring my Mercury, but it wasn't, no special feelings there at all.

I have regularly examined how I feel during New moons and Full moons and also square, trine and sextile moons. Also other strong aspect between planets. What I have found time and time again, is that as the aspect is approaching I get a strange eerie type feeling of uneasiness. I often start worrying about small things and don't feel that calm or content. Then as the aspects become exact, It's like a surge of energy and pure clarity of thinking. This lasts for quite a long time, especially with Full moons, I can get an energy increase for a few days. I have read about full moons and for 2.5 days before and 2.5 days after, so 5 days total, when the moon is approaching opposition, it goes inside of the earth's magnetic field. For 5 days the moons surface becomes charged with magnetic electric particles, so that could be why we feel it so much more than a new moon

With squares between Sun and Moon, I really don't feel that good as the aspect is approaching, no energy, no enthusiasm, out of sorts. But I have found many times that even with square aspects, that once they become exact, I once again feel very good and get the clear thinking. This is why I have become so interested in aspects that are really tight. Exact or just separating will be the strongest, but all very close aspects even between inner planets and asteroids, can have a big effect on people who have these in their natal chart. And I think for exact or almost near exact square or other tense aspects, that they aren't that tense and can even become very good aspects.

Back to my new relocation chart, by looking at the pictures of the place, I found I got similar strong feelings to When I visited a 23.09 Tau MC place. Now I just want to go there and see how I feel about the area actually being there. I've never visited a place where it puts the Ascendant exactly Conjunct my Sun, it should be interesting

Here is a chart of the new relocation place I'm interested in:
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With my article, it is sad about my twin brother, I miss him a lot. We used to be so in tune with one another, were inseparable. We would buy and renovate cars and houses and both loved it. But he got involved with drink and drugs and for about 10 years before he died, I had already lost him. Because he had changed so much, I was not in tune with him any longer. I suffered badly from this and only after he died, did I fully realize that I had already been mourning his death for years, even though he was physically alive, I had already lost him.

Here is my twins Chart:
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As you can see his Asc was 26:10 deg Leo, so still had a 12th house Sun and Mercury. It could be a possibility that Living an a new place where my ascendant goes into leo could make me more outgoing and confident and bring me spiritually closer to my twin brother. I would like to find this out.

I do have a border collie dog, she was born on the 17th August so a day after my birthday. If I lived in a place where my Asc became 23.09 Leo, it would put her Sun also into my 1st house,plus her venus, mercury and saturn which are all conjunct each other, and her Sag Pluto would trine my Asc.

here is her chart

I've read before that you don't lose any of the aspects to the Ascendant that you were born with, I think they may become a little weaker but I'd have to live somewhere else to find out for sure.

One thing I am certain of, I do not feel as if I belong to where I live and have always felt like I am an outsider. It's as if the people are a lot different to me. My twin got along with people a lot better than me, he was more extrovert and confident. If I could find somewhere where I felt like I fitted in and the people were more similar that would be great.

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posted February 11, 2017 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love your posts, Nige.
I'm not going to be long today.

Neptune is foggy. It's a fogbank.

You have Neptune conjunct your IC. I wonder if you'll ever 'logically' be able to look at relo charts and figure this all out through angles, pictures, and charts.

You've gotta get into the stream of life, and "feel" it. Use your intuition.... Go to the places, meet the people.

ADDing... Sometimes a place can look good on paper, then you go there and it doesn't quite feel like you'd expect? ... It COULD be your personal transits AT that time, and not the place, necessarily.
Astrologer Bob Marks has done relo articles, and even advises people to visit places on your Solar Return, to get that imprint for the year, according to what your goals are.


I LOVE how you say you prefer/need to be close to the sea. Did you know that this is a Neptunian trait of being on IC? So interesting that you 'sensed' and insisted on pursuing this? IC and H4 also pertains to Real Estate. ... You want a place by the water!

I have a video for you... This is the astrologer I mentioned in above posts. (He's into crop-circles too.... those are kinda mathematical and geometric.)

He did this vid on Neptune. It's one of my FAVORITE vids... I just want to 'cry' every time I watch this. Listen to the WHOLE vid. He mentions Nep in H3, H4. Then towards the end, he mentions Nep conjunct IC.

(topic) Neptune through the Houses (Steve Judd Astrology, May 24, 2013) [7:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCkPPDbUls

He has more vids available on Neptune. You can search for it. Steve has a Virgo Rising chart too.

I don't know if you are familiar with Ruth Hadikin? I'll leave an url of hers on Virgo Rising Soul.

(topic) Virgo Rising: The Virgo Soul (Ruth Hadikin) [26:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZJYA1cj4Y


"This video is for everyone on the Planet right now"
-- RH

(topic) LEO Rising: The Leo Soul (Ruth Hadikin) [20:23] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvGB-Swr7K4

A Sun in the H12 does better after they discover that they are here to serve Humanity, in some way, in this world.

I ADORE your Intellectual abilities....

And, please remember to FIND the Balance-Point in your life. When you find yourself TOO wrapped up (or raptured by) the Intellect, let that cue you to move to the other side of your brain. You need to get in touch with your Feelings, with your Beautiful Inner Creative Child Leo.

Find "People" for your life, dear Nige. Connect with People!, as well as your Beautiful faithful and supportive dog. She seems lovely! Eager to obey, I hope??? Saturn on her MC. Who IS the real master there????

Love. Warm Leo LOVE is the Master house vibe.... LOL

Since LEO is about Theatre?... I lovingly leave this clip for you.

BTW...
My Neptune is Libra, in my natal 10th House, (and inbetween your Quaoar and Mars. I also have the muse of astrology Urania in same degree as your Quaoar. Your H3).
My Gemini Sun is in your 10th.
My (and your) chart ruler 'Mercury' is near your Jupiter-Vesta Gemini, so, I'm connecting you with introductions to some people you might find gracious and interesting eventually, and who could help 'broaden' your field? of friends H11, and career with astrology-matters. (Steve's Sun is in your H11, networking?).

(I'm a Sag Rising, with Virgo(Moon)-Pisces interception on H9/H3 axis, bringing Heaven to Earth. So, sometimes I also move through the Universe with the flavor of a Cappy Soul? with Saggi Hopeful and expanding spirit. LOL--

(music) People (Barbra Streisand, scene from Funny Girl) [5:00] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-8gn6vGu_w

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posted February 11, 2017 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info and links Mirage29. I have watched Steve Judd videos a few times, he is really good. My Neptune is quite prominent in my chart being my descendant ruler and conjunct my IC.

I've looked into it a few times before,and from the 3rd house, they say that the house of Gemini, analytical, thinker, combined with the feeling and dreaminess of Neptune, means that my thinking and feeling are combined. That's what I was saying about myself earlier on in this topic

Also affects communications, siblings, neighbors and nearby travels. That may have something to do with why I don't feel I belong where I live. I've also noticed lots of well known people who have Neptune conjunct IC, but they seem to be quite private people, not so out there. Those with 3rd house Neptune conjuct IC are the most private and quietest. 4th house Neptunes seem better for it. Then there are lots of well known people who have Neptune conjunct their MC and they seem a lot better for it, and are more able to achieve real stardom, much more out there and at ease with themselves, Clint Eastwood, Oprah Winfrey, Matt Damon etc. I have wondered if I should relocate to New Zealand, lol

I had a look at your chart from the date of birth I could work out and if I'm right, the first and main thing I noticed was your really tight grand cross between Neptune, Uranus, Sedna and Ceres. In my last post I was saying about how I am really interested in almost exact aspects, well your Sedna opposition to Neptune is only 0.05 degrees apart, and your Uranus opposition Ceres is exactly the same, only 0.05 degrees apart.

With the almost exact oppositions, for me it makes it a pure energy and the oppositions are not tense, they become very clear thinking. your Jupiter a couple of deg conjunct Uranus and your Neptune Retrograde, this makes it an interesting Grand Cross.

Sedna is the planet that goes the furthest outside of our solar system, so to have a close aspect to this is good for insights, and from planet Neptune would be even more so.

Then I checked for other tno's and centaurs and found you also have some of these at 25 degrees joining your Grand Cross Even though they are only little planets, they are joining up with your energetic pattern and adding more power to it..

UPDATE: I've had another look and have found a very small Apollo asteroid that is 24 aq 33, this is an almost exact opposition to your Pluto and brings it with the pattern. Also your G Center conjunct NN are joined, and make close aspects to your Mercury and Jupiter. Your Mercury being conjunct to Centaur Bienor, and your Jupiter conjunct Uranus, they both add strong energy to this.

The only signs that have missing 24, 25 or 26 deg is Virgo & Scorpio. Is your moon anywhere near 25deg?

Here are the Centaur, Apollo Asteroid and 2 TNO's:

1566_Icarus (near-Earth asteroid)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1566_Icarus

25 ge 28'33"
54598 Bienor is a centaur that grazes the orbit of Uranus. It is named after the mythological Centaur Bienor.
http://markandrewholmes.com/bienor.html

25 pi 47'35" (TNO, has a moon)
http://transneptunian-astrology.blogspot.co.uk/2008/10/148780-altjira-prophec y-and-spiritual.html


25 ta 31'14" (TNO)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420356_Praamzius


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posted February 15, 2017 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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WOW!!! (Hey thanks for the bump Randall).

Nigel ... I appreciate your interest in my chart sooo much. Thank you for looking into those aspects. Yes, I have been aware of the tightness of the cardinal-sign grand cross I bear in my chart. I will eagerly think more on your slant in its interpretation.

Moon Virgo is 24.56'10
Venus Taurus 12.37'52
Ascendant is Sag 11.30'31
MC is Libra 2.30'34
I have an interception, Virgo Pisces, H(9)leo/ H(3)aqua.

Where I live now (southeast coast), I still have Ascendant in 11+ degrees (11.09'43 Sag). This took out the interception and placed MC/IC as Virgo and Pisces 21.41'31.

It took my Virgo Moon out of H(9)leo and placed it in the more public-sector of H10.

Took my PlutoLeo-P.o.Fortune to H9 Leo (God's Inspirational House?? LOL).
Vertex changed from being in conjunction to my Uranus Cancer, over to sign of LEO 1.36... still in H8canc.

Shifted the signs on my H11 and H5 from Scorpio/Taurus to Libra/Aries. (placidus)

Took my Neptune-rx Libra H10 into the H11th.

Oh my... I've been working for hours here, looking at my relo's. Deleted my work before submitting. There's SOOO much to think about and consider.

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Thanks Nige!!!

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posted February 18, 2017 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Way Hey mirage29, you have your Moon Virgo at 24.56'10 I thought you may have it close to there. I'll have another look at your chart a bit later, that is a really good and interesting aspect pattern you have

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posted February 19, 2017 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nigemoonman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had another look at your chart mirage29 and with the moon at almost 25deg virgo it makes the complex aspect pattern even better, adding a grand trine to the mix. I think it's excellent.

I noticed that your ascendant at Sag 11.30'31, is also making aspects to this pattern but they are loose. They are the 45, 75, 105, 135, 165 deg aspects. They are all separating which is good and some are close.

You mentioned you have been checking relocation. I had a look at where you are now and for the house cusps they are roughly:

HOUSE 1 11 sa 11'38"
HOUSE 2 12 cp 28'23"
HOUSE 3 16 aq 58'18"
HOUSE 4 21 pi 40'25"
HOUSE 5 22 ar 27' 1"
HOUSE 6 18 ta 20'37"
HOUSE 7 11 ge 11'38"
HOUSE 8 12 cn 28'23"
HOUSE 9 16 le 58'18"
HOUSE 10 21 vi 40'25"
HOUSE 11 22 li 27' 1"
HOUSE 12 18 sc 20'37"

I did a quick check and found somewhere that that maybe better for you, It's in the country next to a lake.

It puts your moon right on the MC and some of your other planets in your aspect pattern onto house cusps. Here it is:

HOUSE 1 10 sa 45'54" Asc aspects the planets closer
HOUSE 2 12 cp 59'40"
HOUSE 3 19 aq 17'54"
HOUSE 4 24 pi 49' 4" puts Altjira on the cusp
HOUSE 5 24 ar 51'25" puts Sedna on the cusp
HOUSE 6 19 ta 22'13"
HOUSE 7 10 ge 45'54"
HOUSE 8 12 cn 59'40"
HOUSE 9 19 le 17'54"
HOUSE 10 24 vi 49' 4" puts Moon on the MC cusp
HOUSE 11 24 li 51'25" puts Neptune on the cusp
HOUSE 12 19 sc 22'13"

Email me at: nigesaund@ancientstar.net I can show you where that is.

And this is you new chart aspect pattern

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posted February 19, 2017 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nige ... I am sooo overjoyed!

Thank you so much!
I can't spend time right now, but I'll contact you some time this week.

YOU are a Blessing!
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you

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Glad you like it mirage29. Don't worry, no rush to write back. You've probably got a lot going on since the Moon Quincunx Jupiter aspect on the 13th February. At 6:14am the Moon was at 24 Vi 56'10" (conjunct your moon), the Sun was at 24 Aq 56'25" and Saturn at 25 Sa 40'05". 30 seconds later was the exact aspect between Sun and Moon = 24.56'26", even though it was just a 150 degree Quincunx, it was exactly on your Moon, so you would have felt this, and with Saturn in the mix even more so.

I noticed this Quincunx at the time, I'm glad I decided to check back on the degree of it

I've enjoyed looking at your chart. There has been something about it I've been trying to work out, but I couldn't quite figure it. Then I realized what it was. After I took out your NN and G.Centre from the aspect pattern, because they aren't planets. Then I added your Ascendant and all of it's aspects, and there it was. For me, this is why you were born at the time you were and why the Ascendant had to be there. It's in the exact central position of the overall aspect pattern.

I believe that a lot of us are born at a precise moment that corresponds to linking the Ascendant and/or MC to certain planets and aspect patterns. My Ascendant has also linked up to a very good one, involving 6 outer planets, and to the moon. With my twin Brother, his Neptune was in the 4th house and it was 03.09'19" degrees from his IC, my Neptune is in my 3rd house at 03.05'31" from my IC. That made our IC midpoint exactly conjunct our Neptunes. My IC degree = 20 Sc 24'24", His IC was 14 Sc 09'34", Midpoint of both = 17 Sc 16'59", our Neptune is 17 Sc 18'53". Could that have been just a coincidence. I don't think it was, and it's probably a big reason why our energy together was complete, he was like the yin to my yang and vice versa.

In your chart, your Moon linked up perfectly to this pattern and your Ascendant joined it too. Your MC also made an almost perfect aspect to Mars.

I was interested to know, now that you have relocated do you feel a difference with your mars energy?

With the new chart, I can now see that with relocation, your Ascendant may be better at the midpoint between Neptune/Ceres. The exact position there would be at 10 Sa 27'03". For the exact midpoint from Uranus/Sedna to Dsc would be 10 Ge 27'23". The exact midpoint between these two calculations is: 10 Sa 27'13".

Then I looked at the two planets Bienor and Praamzius. Bienor is a centaur that grazes the orbit of Uranus and Praamzius is a TNO that orbits near the 3:5 resonance with Neptune. The interesting thing about these for me, is that Ceres is in exact aspect to Uranus, Sedna to Neptune, the main theme is Uranus Neptune energy combined with the moon. Then you have these two planets Bienor and Praamzius, one orbiting Uranus and one orbiting Neptune. Both almost 165 degrees from Asc. The midpoint between Bienor/Praamzius is at 10 Ge 30'23".

So the two main midpoints are:
Neptune/Ceres 10 Sa 27'03"
Uranus/Sedna 10 Ge 27'23"
Center for Asc 10 Sa 27'13"

The other midpoint is:
Bienor/Praamzius 10 Ge 30'23

I think if you were to ever relocate it would be very good to put your Ascendant near the Neptune/Ceres midpoint. And Descendant near your Uranus/Sedna midpoint.

Then I checked your MC and I think it would be really good to also have this in exact aspect to your Ascendant, to link them up perfectly. That would be at 25 Vi 27'13". This would place your moon back into the 9th house. After reading up about 9th and 10th house moons, it says that a 10th house moon may find they are concerned about public opinion, they can achieve a lot but also have concerns. A 9th house moon is more involved with seeking knowledge. Taking in information very quickly. Imaginative, creating new ideas. Journeys, changes in the physical world, or the mind, with expanding knowledge and awareness. Study involving deep understanding of the mind. Seeking truth.

For me, a 9th house moon that is in close conjunction with the MC sounds really good.

It would be interesting for you to visit somewhere near this and see how you feel there. There would probably be a lot of clear energy. Yes, there are Squares, Oppositions and Semi Squares, but there is also a Grand Trine, Sextiles and so much energy going on. With the ascendant more exactly at the center, and the MC also joining the pattern, understanding could become clearer.

That's only my opinion, just some food for thought

I found a place that would put you at:

HOUSE 1............10 sa 27'13" Midpoint Neptune/Ceres
HOUSE 2............12 cp 55' 1"
HOUSE 3............19 aq 43' 4"
HOUSE 4............25 pi 27'13" puts Altjira on the cusp
HOUSE 5............25 ar 17'47" puts Sedna on the cusp
HOUSE 6............19 ta 27' 7" puts Nessus on the cusp
HOUSE 7............10 ge 27'13" Midpoint Uranus/Sedna & Bienor/Praamzius, Sun conjunct from 6th by 2°36'23" deg
HOUSE 8............12 cn 55' 1"
HOUSE 9............19 le 43' 4"
HOUSE 10...........25 vi 27'13" puts Moon on the MC cusp from 9th
HOUSE 11...........25 li 17'47" puts Neptune on the cusp
HOUSE 12...........19 sc 27' 7"

And here is your chart showing all the Ascendant aspects:


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