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Nine
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posted February 07, 2017 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once upon a time...

I was in the supermarket during evening hours. Suddenly someone was behind me, sounded like they were talking on a cell phone. I looked around, I saw a figure dart into the candy aisle. From the back the person looked familiar, but I couldn't quite place 'em. Meh. Five minutes later I'm heading to checkout. At the register I recognize it was someone familiar, this was a person courting me. Hmn, didn't know they lived round here, felt a little rejected. The air was thick next time we met, the incident wasn't addressed, nonetheless I cut off contact.

Recently...

I was in the Supermarket during evening hours. I was headed to the Deli counter when I saw someone. It was a colleague from work who was frustrating to deal with (Aries w/ Aqua Asc). I decided against the Deli, went to the beverage aisle. Saw him entering from the other end. I cut my trip short and headed to checkout - ignoring him 100 percently. He was qissed. It felt GOOD!!

Knowflakes. Is this considered karma?

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soren
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posted February 07, 2017 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

it's possible 1) he may have not seen you but 2) if he really was ANGRY , and he's not a unknown person to you maybe he was actually trying to say hi. oh well.

i guess in the end it was just a strange funny experience. he is like " argh dang nine avoided me really well when i thought i was gonna confront and talk"

karma is about equal attraction. so maybe someway it's just showing you attract the experience but not the person.

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posted February 07, 2017 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^Fixed.

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posted February 08, 2017 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 08, 2017 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 08, 2017 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, not by any definition I'm aware of. Though it could be considered part of the Wheel of Karma (that you're both caught up in) in a very trivial way.

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posted February 08, 2017 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you saying that Karma is linear? Eg. Good deed is followed by reward. Bad deed is followed by punishment?

TANGENT: I've always thought that hypocrites never act in a conscious way, or set out to be deceitful. Just that sometimes the instant you take a stand against something, "fate" conspires to put you in the position you were opposed to. If you're are not conscious of the balancing nature of existence, you end up breaking your own rules.

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posted February 08, 2017 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are different definitions of karma, no doubt some that I'm unaware of (it is kinda funny how so many are quick to explain the troubles of everyone else as karma but not their own, all of which ignores that everyone has trouble sooner or later). Another view of karma is that it's caused more by attitude. That is, someone could do bad with no feelings of guilt whatsoever and no bad karma would be accrued (though more mundane cause and effect could still happen). (Interesting enough, many people simultaneously believe in a just karma AND the Law of Attraction, yet rarely try to make them compatible or even say which one trumps the other.)

Some karma focuses on the stuff between lives. I'm going to ignore that.

My own views of karma are more of "natural law" that holds no moral biases or human concepts of justice and is as unthinking as gravity. Normally it's only worth considering from an individual point of view in trying to become aware of one's role in life and a difference one can make for one's self or others. The manifestations of karma, both good and bad, aren't always dependent on the individual experiencing them, and is better thought of as being either healthy or toxic rather than consciously just. Hiding behind laws is no protection from karma either.

A preferred (by others who feel comforted by thinking they live in a just universe, as long as they're not the ones getting the justice they deserve, of course, and some of these types get downright mercenary in their actions, ironically doing good for purely selfish reasons, though some spiritual teachers warn this is a trap that will bind people to this plane just as bad karma will) is that what you get is what you send out. However, this is not about getting even, which instead puts a person on the same Wheel of Karma as the other offender.

Karma in this mystical sense is still impersonal, if just from a human perspective, without revenge being a factor. A man puts his aging mother into an abusive old folks home to divvy up her stuff may come under IRS scrutiny and be taken advantage of by his own kids (though the kids would then face their own karma), for example, but not if the aging mother were then to report him to the IRS in revenge. Or a man saves a stranger's dog from drowning and later draws a good Samaritan when his car breaks down in the middle of nowhere, but not if the dog's owners had paid him a reward. Though the fictional story in Harry Potter could apply where Gilderoy Lockhart wipes the memories of other wizards and steals credit for their works only to get zapped by a memory wipe spell so strong that he's never even able to remember his own name again (this wasn't deliberate, in fact, he accidentally did it to himself rather than having it done to him).

When I mixed with neopagans, there was also some newbie wanting to curse and get away with it through a technicality by treating Karma or other Justice archetype as a parent to tattle to and take revenge for having hurt or even merely offended the spellcaster. The more experienced occultists typically got far away until the dust settled as that person was almost certainly going to encounter some severe setbacks, as the Archetypes do what they do impersonally, so to invoke Justice is to Judged as well as Judge, and typically both parties are to blame. Ironically, a straight up curse would be less dangerous than trying to be "clever" to exploit a loophole and simply "direct karma that person's way."

And that would apply to more mundane ways of appointing one's self "the instrument of karma" which at best just traps you in the Wheel of Karma (pain begetting more pain and love more love, and one that is social and shared as much as individual so that it can be unjust from the egotistical bias of an individual human) rather than being an instrument that dishes it out with a free pass for your own actions.

So in your case, you felt as if someone dodged you and your feelings were hurt, and you cut them out. Maybe this person didn't realize it was you, maybe that person felt shy at that moment, maybe that person was a player who was with another woman he was courting, IDK, but your avoiding him and ending the relationship because you were hurt doesn't constitute karma in any school of thought I'm aware of, though it is a manifestation of both being caught in the Wheel of Karma, and failing to resolve it was also a failure of both of you to disentangle yourselves just a bit from karmic forces that are likely to repeat in the future. Likewise, being a jerk to someone because that person was a jerk to you is just continuing the Wheel of Karma that both of you are caught up in rather than you serving as some agent of karma who in turn is blameless for your own actions. You are not karma, but you will dance to the same music as the others do, because you share karma with them all as much as you (and they) all have their individual karma as well. Try not to be run over by the Wheel.

Btw, I'm not shaking a finger at you or trying to preach, this is just me sharing matter of fact. You asked a question and last night I posted without thinking and because you seemed to really want an an answer by bumping it over and over. You asked and I'm taking a chance that you genuinely want an answer rather than you just want to feel validated that you're an instrument of karma and those who offend you will pay. And I've been exposed to different ideas of karma, but what you describe doesn't fit any of them. Nor am I saying I'm somehow above the Wheel of Karma, I'm all too painfully aware of how it's running me over at times, and just how much I'm made to dance even when I don't like the tune. If you're on this world (and probably any other), then you will dance to it.

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posted February 08, 2017 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SirenSong     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was in the deli yesterday, but they had neither the donuts I came in for, nor the banquet chicken I had a yen for. So I left.

Could be as simple as that.

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posted February 08, 2017 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not for you. To me it's more that you're in a good enough vibration that you can avoid some negative situations.

For him, it might be karma!

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posted February 08, 2017 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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... but your avoiding him and ending the relationship because you were hurt doesn't constitute karma in any school of thought I'm aware of...

In the first scenario I was ignored. In the second scenario I did the ignoring.

Traditionally the other way around, me ignoring then getting ignored in turn, would be recognized as karma. This case was inverted. This is my question does karma work like this?

I also agree Karma is impartial and w/o emotional consideration. It's a though our acts create a vacuum and the universe fills it with steely determination.

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posted February 09, 2017 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not really. You are caught in a pattern it seems, and it might repeat itself.

"Are you saying that Karma is linear? Eg. Good deed is
followed by reward. Bad deed is followed by punishment?"

I don't think good deed is followed by reward. Like there are people who committ good deeds so that they get rewarded, so that they get called great souls, get respected by everyone. This to me is hypocrisy.
If you are a genuinely good person you are simply being yourself, to you it is natural, neither good nor bad, you are simply being yourself. Would you ask reward for being yourself? Being yourself is a reward in itself.
If one is sensitive enough, one can feel that the moment one insults(for example) someone, one is insulting themselves too. It's a double edged sword. If one is sensitive enough, one can feel the same pain the other person feels after being insulted.

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posted February 11, 2017 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting subject.

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posted February 13, 2017 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 17, 2017 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does this have to do with Astrology, though?

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Nine
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posted February 19, 2017 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes. It is astrology based becayse i forgot to add the third paragraph.

In the third paragraph I was going to say, in the first instance pMoon was in Capricorn. In the second pMoon was in Aries. My thinking is, events from a proceeding cardinal sign is brought to resolution in the subsequent cardinal sign.

This is similar to the way tSaturn operates- bringing the past into the present.

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posted February 19, 2017 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Nine:
Yes. It is astrology based becayse i forgot to add the third paragraph.

In the third paragraph I was going to say, in the first instance pMoon was in Capricorn. In the second pMoon was in Aries. My thinking is, events from a proceeding cardinal sign is brought to resolution in the subsequent cardinal sign.

This is similar to the way tSaturn operates- bringing the past into the present.


Interesting observation

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