posted February 07, 2017 05:22 PM            

I've been thinking lately that perhaps Pluto represents enemies? Not all enemies you'll ever face, but like, the biggest challenge, biggest betrayal/lie you'll have to overcome in your life?

Pluto being a karmic planet, do you ever feel like Pluto in the natal chart can represent your ultimate downfall, the betrayal of someone or just representing events and circumstances which are ultimately at fault for your undoing?

Again, I don't think Pluto= all enemies you'll ever face.

The way I see Pluto is...Like your ultimate enemy. You know, a once in a lifetime type of enemy who turns your life upside down.

Not necessarily a human enemy either.

Tell me where your Pluto is, which house and how you feel the effect of Pluto in this context.

Do you think this theory works for you? Do you have a theory of your own?

posted February 07, 2017 05:35 PM            

Instead, I've been betrayed in my personal life by Sag women (Sag is the sign of my 12th house of hidden enemies).

posted February 07, 2017 06:49 PM            

No worries

posted February 07, 2017 06:52 PM            

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posted February 07, 2017 06:52 PM            

If this theory isn't relevant for you, then what role do you feel Pluto's house placement plays in your life?

posted February 07, 2017 06:54 PM            

Aw man Sikanda I'm really sorry to hear that

posted February 07, 2017 08:57 PM            

Oh! Ok, that makes sense. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

I have both Pluto and Saturn in Scorpio in my 10th house. Saturn is also my chart ruler, which really intensifies things. Pluto aspects a lot of my planets (moon, venus, mars, neptune) and conjuncts my midheaven, so it is very dominant in my chart. My life (personal and professional) consists of a lot of sudden change--both good and bad:

1) I didn't have a lot growing up, but the first few years of my life were very peaceful and happy, but my life suddenly fell apart when my father abandoned me and I had to dig through garbage in order to find food. I went from having a happy childhood to one that was filled with danger and an obsession with survival. Thankfully, I managed to work my way up from rock bottom and now I have a more comfortable life as an adult

posted February 08, 2017 01:55 AM            

For example, I have Pluto in 11H, and EVERY time I associate myself with a big group of people (15+ people), it always ends sour. Usually, there's a few people in the group that end up being extremely shady and drama ensues.

Three of those groups were huge life-changing experiences for me though, as in the cause that they pertained to (for example, one of them was volunteering abroad)

posted February 08, 2017 02:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think your house of Pluto is where you will have a lot of ups and downs and you will be kind of forced to either USE your personal power or abdicate it. I don't think the house of Pluto can be a vanilla house lol

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But I love vanilla!

Especially when it resides in Pluto's house (that being the fifth)

And not just of bourbon anymore (double eyebrow quirk insert)

posted February 08, 2017 02:27 AM            

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Originally posted by soren:
pluto in 10th. public people can be REALLY stingy. i feel weird in public. uncomfortable. even to squirrels. i feel like a figure. a figure others take highly but they dont like it. treat me as a suspected threat. or a grievance. i dont know what pluto in first would be. yourself feels like you annoy people? actually i heard justin bieber has it. makes sense. his sense of self can be a bit too strong/intimidating/abdominable but in a bad/annoying way.

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Natal Pluto in the 10th house brings instant karma.

posted February 08, 2017 10:06 AM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Natal Pluto in the 10th house brings instant karma.

It's an extremely strong placement, so people probably react strongly to it.

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I have Pluto conjunct MC, but from the ninth house. But I halos have Mars/Saturn conjunct the MC in the 10th. I can't really tell what's what.

posted February 08, 2017 10:37 AM            

From what I've gathered is that my friends tend to be more controlling and are very close friends, as in friends for life. And I have a aversion to groups, probably because they lack the intensity you get with one on one encounters.

posted February 08, 2017 01:01 PM            

I wanted to quote you but remembered just how sensitive everyone is now about being quoted

I empathize with your Pluto in 6th. I have Mars in 6th and my work environment always feels so hot and stressful.

posted February 08, 2017 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
12the house actually represents hidden enemies, and the 7th house represents open enemies, Pluto doesn't really have anything to do with enemies. It is the power planet, it gives and takes ruthlessly. You will experience growth through pain and struggle, but Pluto will destroy anything that tries to fight it's lesson, it is devoted to making you see your true potential. That is Pluto to me.

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posted February 09, 2017 02:43 AM            

I'm so sorry you had to go through that

It's just messed up that anyone has to resort to something like that. Sometimes I just hate this world.

posted February 09, 2017 02:54 AM            

But it does make sense astrologically how you experience Pluto and Saturn in the 10th. Saturn must have blocked you from advancing in your career and social status (I think I read somewhere that the 10th is also that?) but with Pluto there you've managed to overcome it and start a new life.

Looking at it like that Pluto seems less like 'the enemy' and more like a source of personal power.