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nordicsoul
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posted February 14, 2017 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear all,

Our chart is a sort of map of a constant unfolding of a play with different actors performing at different times along transits & progression. Some actors are friendly to each other and some are enemies. Some are unknown to the play director, but still play a “role” in the life of the native.
I am subscribed to the Jungian theory of “projection”. Projection is part of human nature and a tool that our unconscious use to help us to balance ourselves and eventually to integrate all areas of our psyche. I see that what we experience in our internal universes is projected in the external world and when we experience gut reactions toward attitudes, behaviours, and people, we are projecting part of an unresolved internal dilemma. Maybe some areas of the chart are being unacknowledged, dismissed or just ignored. Our shadow is formed of all the things that we learn (since childhood) to reject because there are considered unacceptable in our family or in our culture, but we also carry out a bag with dreams and beauty that is not acknowledged and we may think are too good to be true and project them in the beloved or people we like.
I will try by using my own chart to identify those areas of my personality that according to my chart are not fully integrated and in doing that I wish I could present a speculative theories that bring examples of your own charts. My goal is identify triggers in ourselves as associated to negative “projection” Anyway, by observing my own chart, I have identified triggers point. What I call triggers points are areas in a chart that a person has not fully owned and tend to get gut reactions. I suspect that triggers points are areas in our chart we do not fully own. I will go into the sides of me that I do not seem to own and explain how that can bring problems from the external world when I project these unintegrated characters in myself into the external world.
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This exercise is for whoever want to use their OWN chart to analyse themselves. Let us try to not play the MIND-READER and start pointing out someone else’s projections. The idea is to use the chart to find our OWN trigger points and from that place to honour that and become more aware.
LET us try to be sensitive to whatever people share over themselves and use the most we can to learn from this.
Thanks in advance for any contribution. In the next post I am describing some aspects of my chart


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posted February 14, 2017 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there are certain aspects I can think of my triggers. I first key pattern in my chart is associated to mars-venus. Venus is the ruler of my AC while mars is the ruler of my descendant. I have north node aries-south node libra. I have venus-sun-mars conjunction with the sun in the midpoint of both. So integrating both competing forces is part of my life purpose as indicated by the sun aspecting both and the aries-libra node axis.
What makes me angry and how I relate to the above pattern? In certain part of my personality I tend to exhibit Libra-venusian qualities. I like to see both sides in an argument and try to keep myself objective. I tend to open my heart (mars cancers) and lower my defenses when trying to solve a conflict and feel very disappointed and then ANGRY when I realize that the other side in a conflict takes advantage and rather than opening up as well, use my openness to inflict more pain. My north node in aries suggest that I should not expect such “fairness” and need to learn that the world is what it is rather than the idea I have of it. I should act in a way that I feel happy. In doing that, I will balance the excess of south node. In a theoretical way, I know that, but in practice it hurt me deeply to know that things are unfair and that I need to own that ARIES energy of my node, but it is something I really grasp at the mental level. I can show some aries qualities such as the cardinality, entrepreneurship and feel at home with anger expression, but I have a strong needs for justice in all my dealing that make me feel that playing by the rules is not the norm. and this is an area I experience frustration.
Another aspect associated to it is the sun-mars. I suspect that this aspect makes a person a little bit LEO. This is the area of myself I disown completely. I cannot see myself as proud and really have GUT reactions toward people who act in self-righteous way (negative characteristics of leo). Most intense conflicts that I have in my life are when people behave in negative leo way. That trigger my button the max. That makes me think that this is an area that needs a lot to bring that side of myself to life. When I get angrier is when someone comes from a place of self-reighteneus. Curiously, the men I have fallen in love are always attracted to some leo quality in a woman with the exes of my partners having either sun or venus in leo or sun in 7th (Liz green has an interesting article in how people in triangles tend to complement their rival and sometimes the rival play the planets not own by the other) .
Then comes my mercury-moon in gemini with all their flacky and changing nature. For gemini (the archetype) all true are relative until proven otherwise. I have no planet in sagitarius but when people oppose my gemini stellium I tend to become auraged toward what I feel is a judgemental perspective. I do not know much what in my chart contains that side, what of me I am projecting. I have mars-sun sextile Jupiter and Jupiter is the ruler of my 8th, but I am not sure if that can translate into projection. I love the positive spirit and humor of sagitarians, but really kill me the idea of thinking to have any thuth to share or impose. I guess all sign contain its opposite and somehow strong gemini (mercury my sole chart dispositor) may need to balance with some sagitarian. I need to come with a way to do that. Until now, this is trigger point for me and I have not found a way to go around it…

Any thought is welcome..


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posted February 14, 2017 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bump for sintetizing ideas after some other posts

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posted February 14, 2017 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your thread has helped me connect the dots.

I grew up in a somewhat tense environment. My parents (mostly Dad) was easily annoyed and we got out of his way.

He has Aries South Node.
Uranus/Mercury conjunct
Pluto/Mars conjunct
Mars-Pluto in opposition to Chiron.

So he had a lot he felt he had to "prove". And we feared him.

My mother(in retrospect)was not exactly a gentle flower herself.She had her moments. But my Dad was the violent one.

She has Pluto/Sun square
Mars/Venus in opposition coupled with Saturn.


Mars squaring the Ic as well as its ruler (Moon) explains why I had/still have so much anger in and around my childhood. I was mostly an emotional child who would get angry quite quickly.

Mars squares my 3rd house ruler(Mercury). My sister has Mars in Gemini.What a tongue!

I have a biting,sarcastic type of humor and am exceptionally critical of others- whether it be their speech or how they write(Mars in 6th). I make my mind up about how I feel about another quite quickly.

Mars conjunct the IC and semi-sextile the DC ruler(Venus).I am the tense one in the relationship and have horrible anger issues.

Most times my partners are fearful of me because I can get easily annoyed or irritated by something or another and then switch on them by cutting them off abruptly

I was not aware of this until one of them told me in a phone rant (he has Moon in Scorpio).

Mars square the MC axis.Some issues with authority figures and hierarchy. I am not known for being violent, but I am mostly known for being tense or looking "wound up".

My Juno is in Aries conjunct Asc square the Ic and the T-square formation. So I really don't think there is any escaping Mars. Even in marriage-Did I mention that Pluto in 7th opposes Juno?

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posted February 14, 2017 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 15, 2017 09:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Your thread has helped me connect the dots.

I grew up in a somewhat tense environment. My parents (mostly Dad) was easily annoyed and we got out of his way.

He has Aries South Node.
Uranus/Mercury conjunct
Pluto/Mars conjunct
Mars-Pluto in opposition to Chiron.

So he had a lot he felt he had to "prove". And we feared him.

My mother(in retrospect)was not exactly a gentle flower herself.She had her moments. But my Dad was the violent one.

She has Pluto/Sun square
Mars/Venus in opposition coupled with Saturn.


Mars squaring the Ic as well as its ruler (Moon) explains why I had/still have so much anger in and around my childhood. I was mostly an emotional child who would get angry quite quickly.

Mars squares my 3rd house ruler(Mercury). My sister has Mars in Gemini.What a tongue!

I have a biting,sarcastic type of humor and am exceptionally critical of others- whether it be their speech or how they write(Mars in 6th). I make my mind up about how I feel about another quite quickly.

Mars conjunct the IC and semi-sextile the DC ruler(Venus).I am the tense one in the relationship and have horrible anger issues.

Most times my partners are fearful of me because I can get easily annoyed or irritated by something or another and then switch on them by cutting them off abruptly

I was not aware of this until one of them told me in a phone rant (he has Moon in Scorpio).

Mars square the MC axis.Some issues with authority figures and hierarchy. I am not known for being violent, but I am mostly known for being tense or looking "wound up".

My Juno is in Aries conjunct Asc square the Ic and the T-square formation. So I really don't think there is any escaping Mars. Even in marriage-Did I mention that Pluto in 7th opposes Juno?


thanks for sharing Aries, I wonder if you could point out what makes you VERY ANGRY. I edited my post about my triggers if you are interested as pluto is coruler of my seventh and square my moon.

can you associated the issues-behaviour-attitudes that trigger your anger in an explosive manner and how those triggers are represented by planets aspects or any other pattern in the chart?

thanks again for taking the time to respond

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posted February 15, 2017 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Great thread, NS


Thanks Ami! would you like to share? I edited my post and shared some info myself.

best wishes!

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posted February 15, 2017 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will come back. I rambled too much

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posted February 16, 2017 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ha ha ha

I read what you wrote last night but was too tired to reply and understand. today with more energy i came back and it is gone... LOL

thanks for keeping this thread alive.. LOL

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posted February 17, 2017 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your South Node in Libra is familiar to me. What you said rings so true with my Libra/Aries Asc/Dsc relationship.

I have Asc in Aries and its ruler Mars is in Libra closely conjunct the Dsc from the 6th.

I am very convinced that Juno(which conjuncts the Asc by 5 degrees)is more about what we are prepared to commit ourselves to i.e body and soul then it is exclusively about marriage.

Mars in Libra will bend over backwards to accommodate others and will grow to resent them when they are seeming to take advantage.

With Pluto transiting my Mars in Libra, this rings so true now more than ever.

I take quick offense to anyone who tries to "piggy back" on my being so accommodating. This is my trigger.

The other is Juno in Aries in 1st. This makes me avoid dependency on another-whether in relationships or platonic associations. I am committed to myself and will not waiver from what I want.

The second gets frustrated when I have to constantly ask another for direction or depend on them in a way that is uncomfortable even to me.

Letting another lead me/tell me what I can't or can do is a real issue for me.And it has a lot to do with the Aries-need to be me vs. rules and expected outcomes-Capricorn archetype.

I don't think that Aries and Libra are mutually exclusive at all. The energies present are asking us to accommodate others(Libra) in as far and only so long as that engages the best part of ourselves (Aries).

We feel good doing things for others without them asking. I know I do. When we initiate(Aries) something another will appreciate(Libra) or are proactive(Aries) in our doing things another will smile about(Libra). That feels so good.

The problem comes when we now feel obligated or expect the other to reciprocate or praise us for our efforts.

Of-course this would be ideal if another would take our cue,praise us constantly for our efforts and hold us as the object and attention of their affection. But it's not always so.

So I think that its okay for you to feel good about wanting justice and awakening the warrior within.

But be vigilant of those who want to take advantage of that and have you slowly but surely fight their battles for them.

Also hold witness to your own inner voice which will tell you whether you are signing an unspoken "contract" with another that is known only to you i.e expecting the other to return the favour in kind etc.

Be nice(Libra) because it is the best part of you(Aries). Crave for justice(Libra) because it is who you are(Aries). Do things with little to no expectation that that particular individual will reciprocate.

I don't mean to sound "mystical" or whatever But I have found that when there is NO reciprocation expected off doing something that benefits another, the divine/universe or whatever winks at me and it feels so rewarding and affirming that I feel grateful for that opportunity to show the best part of ME.

This is NOT about being a hero,but being a facilitator. NOT being a slave, but lending a helping hand etc. Its a fine line but you will feel it immediately if you have gone too far because you will immediately resent the other for failing to "reciprocate". Always.

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posted February 17, 2017 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Saturn is very sensitive to transits and it inconjuncts chiron and forms a yod with Cupido.

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posted February 17, 2017 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 18, 2017 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm watching T Mars right now. When it conjuncts my Sun...all hell breaks loose.
@ 19* Aries

also any major transit to N T-Square with Saturn opposite Mars and both square Mercury.
@ O* Aries

great thread NordicSoul

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posted February 18, 2017 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Your South Node in Libra is familiar to me. What you said rings so true with my Libra/Aries Asc/Dsc relationship.

I have Asc in Aries and its ruler Mars is in Libra closely conjunct the Dsc from the 6th.

I am very convinced that Juno(which conjuncts the Asc by 5 degrees)is more about what we are prepared to commit ourselves to i.e body and soul then it is exclusively about marriage.

Mars in Libra will bend over backwards to accommodate others and will grow to resent them when they are seeming to take advantage.

With Pluto transiting my Mars in Libra, this rings so true now more than ever.

I take quick offense to anyone who tries to "piggy back" on my being so accommodating. This is my trigger.

The other is Juno in Aries in 1st. This makes me avoid dependency on another-whether in relationships or platonic associations. I am committed to myself and will not waiver from what I want.

The second gets frustrated when I have to constantly ask another for direction or depend on them in a way that is uncomfortable even to me.

Letting another lead me/tell me what I can't or can do is a real issue for me.And it has a lot to do with the Aries-need to be me vs. rules and expected outcomes-Capricorn archetype.

I don't think that Aries and Libra are mutually exclusive at all. The energies present are asking us to accommodate others(Libra) in as far and only so long as that engages the best part of ourselves (Aries).

We feel good doing things for others without them asking. I know I do. When we initiate(Aries) something another will appreciate(Libra) or are proactive(Aries) in our doing things another will smile about(Libra). That feels so good.

The problem comes when we now feel obligated or expect the other to reciprocate or praise us for our efforts.

Of-course this would be ideal if another would take our cue,praise us constantly for our efforts and hold us as the object and attention of their affection. But it's not always so.

So I think that its okay for you to feel good about wanting justice and awakening the warrior within.

But be vigilant of those who want to take advantage of that and have you slowly but surely fight their battles for them.

Also hold witness to your own inner voice which will tell you whether you are signing an unspoken "contract" with another that is known only to you i.e expecting the other to return the favour in kind etc.

Be nice(Libra) because it is the best part of you(Aries). Crave for justice(Libra) because it is who you are(Aries). Do things with little to no expectation that that particular individual will reciprocate.

I don't mean to sound "mystical" or whatever But I have found that when there is NO reciprocation expected off doing something that benefits another, the divine/universe or whatever winks at me and it feels so rewarding and affirming that I feel grateful for that opportunity to show the best part of ME.

This is NOT about being a hero,but being a facilitator. NOT being a slave, but lending a helping hand etc. Its a fine line but you will feel it immediately if you have gone too far because you will immediately resent the other for failing to "reciprocate". Always.


so much wisdom here Aries, thanks for the long post. I want to reply to specifics of your text here. may edit tomorrow, but sleepy now... just notice that a lot of what you wrote resonates deeply inside my soul.

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posted February 18, 2017 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Hypatia for bumping the thread!

question: do you have any idea why is saturn so upsetting. can you identify saturn somehow associated with things that make you angry?

for me saturn is not so bad.

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posted February 18, 2017 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lalalinda:
I'm watching T Mars right now. When it conjuncts my Sun...all hell breaks loose.
@ 19* Aries

also any major transit to N T-Square with Saturn opposite Mars and both square Mercury.
@ O* Aries

great thread NordicSoul


Thanks Lalalinda.

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posted February 18, 2017 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Thanks Hypatia for bumping the thread!

question: do you have any idea why is saturn so upsetting. can you identify saturn somehow associated with things that make you angry?

for me saturn is not so bad.



I like saturn too.... It's very sensitive to transits I am noticing but not necessarily in a bad way. That was a bad example for the purpose of this thread...

I will return with a better example later

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posted February 19, 2017 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sensitive to criticism at work, 10H Leo cusp with sun in the 11H square neptune and opposite moon, I feel my strengths get lost and overshadowed, thanks to neptune I get lost in the group and don't shine like I should. Anyways criticism at work makes me emotional.

Further the moon rules my 9H and I work in a field dominated by the left yet I am a conservative and it makes me feel like a n outcast even though I love my career, I hide my views bc I dont want to stick out or be targeted but I still feel like an outcast. There is this conflict between my career and political views that is hard to reconcile and gets in the way of me been able to be fully myself at work and shine or get that feeling of belongingness.

Sun rules 10H and falls in the 11H and opposes moon ruling my 9H which both square Neptune Ruler of 5H and co Ruler of 2H.

So my trigger is my tsquare between my sun opposite moon and neptune at the apex.

I would think triggers are represented by the moon since it rules the areas in our lives we are the most sensitive about.

Thanks for starting this thread.

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posted February 19, 2017 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Sensitive to criticism at work, 10H Leo cusp with sun in the 11H square neptune and opposite moon, I feel my strengths get lost and overshadowed, thanks to neptune I get lost in the group and don't shine like I should. Anyways criticism at work makes me emotional.


it must be difficult having leo in 10 and then sun square neptune. just the square creates a tension between the need to shine and the need to dilute ourselves into the collective energies. and with sun in 10 the pull to shine must be strong. I suspect you may attact a lot of people who are not shy about shining and making themselves visible at work. just remiding you how it is to own that leo in 10 energy lol...

I understand the challenge from the profesion versus the political orientation. with sun-neptune there is a need to agree with the environment and to go along with the flow. you have Scorpio AC, right? I have Taurus AC. I wonder if finding an outlet for the leo in 10 either if not at work can do for that energy release. perhaphs something in the community when you shine without feeling ghilty about it (not saying that you feel guilty, just assuming the neptune-sun feelings here)

Thanks for sharing!!!!

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posted February 19, 2017 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
it must be difficult having leo in 10 and then sun square neptune. just the square creates a tension between the need to shine and the need to dilute ourselves into the collective energies. and with sun in 10 the pull to shine must be strong. I suspect you may attact a lot of people who are not shy about shining and making themselves visible at work. just remiding you how it is to own that leo in 10 energy lol...

I understand the challenge from the profesion versus the political orientation. with sun-neptune there is a need to agree with the environment and to go along with the flow. you have Scorpio AC, right? I have Taurus AC. I wonder if finding an outlet for the leo in 10 either if not at work can do for that energy release. perhaphs something in the community when you shine without feeling ghilty about it (not saying that you feel guilty, just assuming the neptune-sun feelings here)

Thanks for sharing!!!!


You did an excellent job interpreting everything and you are right I need to find an outlet, good advice :=) Thanks.

I hope others jump in and explore their chart triggers with you.

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posted February 19, 2017 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

I don't think that Aries and Libra are mutually exclusive at all. The energies present are asking us to accommodate others(Libra) in as far and only so long as that engages the best part of ourselves (Aries).

We feel good doing things for others without them asking. I know I do. When we initiate(Aries) something another will appreciate(Libra) or are proactive(Aries) in our doing things another will smile about(Libra). That feels so good.

The problem comes when we now feel obligated or expect the other to reciprocate or praise us for our efforts.

Of-course this would be ideal if another would take our cue,praise us constantly for our efforts and hold us as the object and attention of their affection. But it's not always so.

So I think that its okay for you to feel good about wanting justice and awakening the warrior within.

But be vigilant of those who want to take advantage of that and have you slowly but surely fight their battles for them.

Also hold witness to your own inner voice which will tell you whether you are signing an unspoken "contract" with another that is known only to you i.e expecting the other to return the favour in kind etc.

Be nice(Libra) because it is the best part of you(Aries). Crave for justice(Libra) because it is who you are(Aries). Do things with little to no expectation that that particular individual will reciprocate.


This is NOT about being a hero,but being a facilitator. NOT being a slave, but lending a helping hand etc. Its a fine line but you will feel it immediately if you have gone too far because you will immediately resent the other for failing to "reciprocate". Always.


I could not agree more. I will keep that written on my bedroom. Really!!!

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posted February 19, 2017 02:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
You did an excellent job interpreting everything and you are right I need to find an outlet, good advice :=) Thanks.

I hope others jump in and explore their chart triggers with you.


Thanks Hypatia,

It helps me to understand myself better when people express themselves. and I have also received advice. Aries gave me a good piece of advice to me.

blessings!!!

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