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EmGem
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posted February 24, 2017 06:47 PM
  
Has anyone managed to convince a scientifically minded person that astrology works? I am currently having a very heated discussion with a friend about it. He won't budge unless EVERYTHING can be proven. I have told him of countless occurrences where astrology has not failed to reveal so many truths about an individual - whether we forecast or not. But he won't move. Guys, give me something juicy to tell him so that I can help him begin to see the light lol.
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Kannon McAfee
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posted February 25, 2017 11:28 AM
I find this to be a fruitless pursuit. As I am not an astrological evangelist, I don't proselytize. However, the material reality is quite apparent and remains the same despite the field of astronomy having long split from astrology. Astronomy purports to deal with the cold hard facts of nature, astrology with meanings and effects relevant to humans. But wait, so does astronomy (and meteorology)... The Moon's movements relative to Earth (and Sun) determine the tides, having a gravitational pull on the mass of water on our planet -- which includes human bodies made of 70% water. This lunar effect is the most obvious of all the bodies in our solar system and should be a clue as to the others. The Sun's movements relative to the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn set the rhythm of the seasons. Both the solar and lunar cycles are the basis of the most basic practice of astrology, which looks to perceive the subtler energetic effects to the individual. Astrology has been maligned, at times rightly so, but has never been dis-proven, as the scientific method is not a tool of disproof, but of discovery and peer review. It is self-appointed so-called rationalists who want to ignore the intuitive faculties that perceive the subtler realities of our experience in favor of the version of science divorced from intuition. Astrology isn't aligned against science. It is science that has aligned itself against astrology in the attempt to divorce itself from a pseudo-religious superstitious past. ------------------
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colorful butterfly
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posted February 25, 2017 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by EmGem:
Has anyone managed to convince a scientifically minded person that astrology works? I am currently having a very heated discussion with a friend about it. He won't budge unless EVERYTHING can be proven. I have told him of countless occurrences where astrology has not failed to reveal so many truths about an individual - whether we forecast or not. But he won't move. Guys, give me something juicy to tell him so that I can help him begin to see the light lol.
The way I prove it to people is threw progressed charts. I explain that your progressed moon will show what type of energy that you will pull to you. When my moon was in Capricorn I pulled in capricorn type placements and Capricorn people. Now that my progressed moon is in Pisces , I pull in Pisces like people or people with Pisces type placements. Pull up your progressed moon and his, see if they don't have your progressed placements in position. Also find people that showed up and disappeared in his life, there info and look at the progressions which will usually conjunct his placements in some way and then his progressions will conjunct theirs in some ways. Also the nodal axis and relationships, Especially the SN axis and his past loves as to why they may not have worked out. ( Use Vedic astrology especially as it pinpoints them) Oh yea, you can prove a lot!!!!! NO wayyyy in hell you can take some random interaction and come up with the SN axis placements to all of a sudden have this person just pop up out of the billions of people in the world !!! Thats just facts and statistics which is what scientific minded people are looking for. You can clearly see it on paper!!!
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EmGem
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posted February 26, 2017 05:50 AM
Thank you both. These points you raise I have already exhausted with him, especially yours Kannon. He still won't budge, thinks it's a load of hogwash UNLESS it can be proven. I'm still trying to ascertain his t.o.b. So yesterday he sends me this video. Watch from 1:16:40 to 1:25 or so and let me know what you make of it.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PhHtBqsGAoA IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight
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posted February 26, 2017 08:27 AM
This is interesting.I work as a research microbiologist, so by nature I have a logical and fact driven approach to things. However, I love astrology and I am very spiritual too. Sometimes, whether they are scientists or not, some folk just don't get it. It's just that scientist get on the high ground and ask for proof. Which isn't wrong if them; but it's a cop-out. People also like to say ' there's no evidence to astrology that's why it's a load of kack ', because they're lazy and it's relativrly strong argument, which keeps them in the mainstream and free from ridicule ( astrology still not really accepted). The truth is, we need more creative scientific minds to help the progression of astrology, I find it quite ironic. People are afraid of admitting that they like things like astrology and may still protest that they don't like it when really, they do, due to the reason above. IP: Logged |
colorful butterfly
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posted February 26, 2017 08:35 AM
If everything is right time and information, your progressed charts should prove things. Like my progressed chart moon is in Pisces. I have that energy in my new shift that I decided to take. The energy is Pisces and aries which is the next moon phase. This proves that the lessons of these house take place there. The stage is already set so to speak. Although I am not sure exactly what lessons will play out but I do have a clue threw Vedic astrology, it really is like I want to do a video for youtube or something because there is NO way you can just meet someone and these things just happen to be there. IP: Logged |
colorful butterfly
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posted February 26, 2017 08:52 AM
Also my new friend at work is a Pisces, we started hanging out and I explained some Astrology to her. She is dating a Cancer guy and wanted to know if things worked between him and her. I looked at her Solar arc chart which looks like she marries in about a year . They have been talking about it so I predicted that there is like a 90% chance there that she does get married to him. Also looking at her progressed chart, her progressed moon is in Cancer after that Leo, his natal venus is in Leo. IF I remember correctly , it is when the progressed venus of another conjuncts the Sun of another's natal Sun they fall in love with the Sun person? IP: Logged |
anonymidarkness
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posted February 26, 2017 11:17 AM
Ask him to explore it with an open mind if he's interested in finding out if it's true or false. More than that, personally I wouldn't bother to waste my energy.
It is a science though, like Kannon mentioned above. In my observation, sometimes people tend to turn astrology into psychological analysis with lots of self-invented bullsh!t mixed in which is their own projection rather than unbiased study of astrology.IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee
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posted February 26, 2017 02:50 PM
Why waste your time on such a closed minded person?Astrology is not relevant to them, and if it is something important to you, then this person is not really going to respect the way you think, is he? ------------------
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soren
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posted February 26, 2017 07:41 PM
growing up, i never believed in god, i viewed it as the "intelligent bearded man watching over you" and i really thought it was dumb. my friend even said "i sometimes feel sorry for everyone! (he was really emotoinal and dramatic, but not a goofy dramatic, a semi-serious kind) and he would say "I even feel sorry for you! since you dont believe in god" and meanwhile i was kind of pudgy and and lame so i thought he was saying that was why. now that i got more water progressions, i can much more easily come in terms of what god is. it's not the fish i imagined in my childhood. something much different. so we can't say your friend is dumb, just not open to this not able to be. though i have many picture threads that are quite convincing at least to me. like neptune conjunct ascs the difference from them and say saturn at nonagesimal (highest point from horizon). big difference to me. show him 20 pics of people with sun conjunct venus, show him 20 pics of people with sun trine moon, it's a really noticeable aspect. i have a thread with all those. contrast the venus conjunctions with another one. conttrast the trine with sun square moon. there is clear differences. could easily prove it to the world. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 26, 2017 07:42 PM
coincedences of similarities happen. the chances of 20 things being similar, and then 20 different things also being similar but in a different way, occurring naturally, is in the millions. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted February 27, 2017 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Why waste your time on such a closed minded person?Astrology is not relevant to them, and if it is something important to you, then this person is not really going to respect the way you think, is he?
I don't mind at all that he has this viewpoint. It's what makes people interesting and I'm actually enjoying our discussion. Not all my friends share my view and I know married couples where one believes in God and the other is an Atheist, so it's all good.
I really do love Science too so he's teaching me lots in terms of the laws of nature, chemistry and physics etc. His progressed moon is in Aries, not sure if that's saying much.
The other interesting thing is that he has a stellium of planets in Scorpio and I know he's deeply spiritual however he won't let on about that to anyone and probably let alone himself lol. I might in fact show him some pics soren. Did anyone watch that vid? That astrophysicist seemed to be really onto it....hmmmm.... I still won't be swayed though.
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EmGem
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posted February 27, 2017 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
Also my new friend at work is a Pisces, we started hanging out and I explained some Astrology to her. She is dating a Cancer guy and wanted to know if things worked between him and her. I looked at her Solar arc chart which looks like she marries in about a year . They have been talking about it so I predicted that there is like a 90% chance there that she does get married to him. Also looking at her progressed chart, her progressed moon is in Cancer after that Leo, his natal venus is in Leo. IF I remember correctly , it is when the progressed venus of another conjuncts the Sun of another's natal Sun they fall in love with the Sun person?
yes! OR progressed venus to progressed sun, progressed venus to natal venus. It's the marker of a relationship starter. So let us know if they end up marrying.
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EmGem
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posted February 27, 2017 12:46 AM
mostly trines and conjunctions IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 27, 2017 01:15 AM
what astrophysicist? neil tyson? you mean you would even bring it up that astro *MIGHT* be Bull?? Get out of my library!!!
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EmGem
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posted February 27, 2017 04:40 AM
Bahahahahahahaha  I just said above I won't be swayed but when these peeps talk science they get me intrigued lol IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 27, 2017 04:46 AM
oh haha.. almost sounded like.. if given enough persuading info.. you woulda turned sides... tsk tsk.. hope that isnt the case.. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted February 27, 2017 04:56 AM
Let's just say I'm 'open' to exploring other possibilities.
BUT so far, not swayed  I just need a good argument to tell my friend.
I need to provide evidence that astrology works.
Maybe personalise it to his chart muhwahahaha 😈 IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 27, 2017 05:21 AM
major scorp stellium, no? show him seven pics of girls who have their sun and moon right in the middle or conjoined inside his stellium. right underneath those, show people who have sun and moon making inferior aspects (like 130 degrees away, for one, for example, and like 68 degrees for the other, dont make them make his stellium in the middle though cause that's good for synastry, try to make them bland) then show him the charts if he asks. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted February 27, 2017 05:25 AM
am i asking him if he finds them attractive?well, my ASC is right in the middle of it all and he definitely finds me irresistible. IP: Logged |
EmGem
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posted February 27, 2017 05:26 AM
"show me who you find attractive and i'll prove it with astrology?"IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 27, 2017 05:35 AM
first explain to him that distance and mass are for how strong a planet is. neptune is barely as strong as mercury in my opinion, cause it's so far. pluto is 7000x smaller. so just know that its mainly the sun/moon and all planets minus pluto that make up the main chart shape. Now screen shot these peoples charts: Amy whine house, ghengis khan, kanye west, napoleon I. draw out their charts without pluto. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 27, 2017 05:37 AM
add leonardo caprio. just draw the lines from the planets to the center. notice the shape. do it for linda goodman even. the worlds most famous astrologer. IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 27, 2017 05:53 AM
ariel sharon (ex prime minister of israel), francois mitterand (ex president of france) IP: Logged |
soren
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posted February 27, 2017 05:59 AM
the horizon creates a separate chart shape. it counts as well, but the planets without the horizon is one too. cant think of a metaphor but its true IP: Logged |
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