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hypatia238
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posted March 09, 2017 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So transit Saturn is in Sagittarius at 27d opposing Dejanira in Gemini at 26d so if you have a mutable placement at late degrees this will impact you deeply...

This opposition is forming a tsquare with my sun in virgo at the apex while saturn conjuncts my neptune and I feel low on energy, burned out and like a dark cloud is following me everywhere. Life feels extra challenging right now and rough, sun rules my MC and saturn is transiting my second while dejanira is in my 8H. I feel tremendous stress coming from my supervisor who I feel a victim of lately, my finances and debt...

Even though I am dealing with it and working on solutions there is this energy of feeling defeated like you have hit rock button, you feel overwhelmed, my vitality is gone, my passion is gone... I am not defeated and I am working through it and I know I will be fine but the emotion and feeling behind it is as described...

I wonder if other people with mutable placements at late degrees are experiencing a similar vibe...

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posted March 09, 2017 11:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow I just realized that tr saturn is conjuncting my boss northnode and tr dejanira her southnode so my tsquare is falling in her nodes so my sun squares her nodes... There is so much that shows I have karma with this woman.

She has karma in virgo squaring her nodes and my sun conjuncts her karma exact.

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posted March 10, 2017 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon at 27,23 Pisces, and I first felt emotionally down and drained when saturn was getting close to make a square to my moon.

the thing that this transit then started to make me feel was some sort of isolation, and a certain degree of lack of support from some women's friendships I used to very much value. this transit is making me question some of those, and pushing me to decide ultimately who is worth my time and energy, and who can bring out the best in me. I refuse to spend time in unproductive friendships anymore.

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it's at 27,21 Pisces, dunno why I got it wrong!

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posted March 10, 2017 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by girlwiththerainysoul:
I have moon at 27,23 Pisces, and I first felt emotionally down and drained when saturn was getting close to make a square to my moon.

the thing that this transit then started to make me feel was some sort of isolation, and a certain degree of lack of support from some women's friendships I used to very much value. this transit is making me question some of those, and pushing me to decide ultimately who is worth my time and energy, and who can bring out the best in me. I refuse to spend time in unproductive friendships anymore.


I feel you girl.

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posted March 10, 2017 05:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlwiththerainysoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hypatia have you been having sleep troubles?

I have always loved sleeping! maybe it's a Pisces thing but I've rarely fell sleep later than 10 PM ever since I can remember, always up before the sunrise. but since about a month ago I'm having trouble sleeping. I fall asleep late and wake up several times during the night for no reason. I wake up as usual so the result is that I'm getting lesser hours of sleep and I'm not happy!

I don't find myself very stressed, but I confess I think a lot at night about other people's problems, things I can do very little to help. like just last night I learned that this guy has lost the 1/3 from the top of one of his index fingers and that his heart has recently been broken as well. all night I kept thinking of him and during those short hours I fell sleep I dreamed that I was sobbing for him trying to comfort him. so sad indeed...or a few days ago when one of my friends told me how she's always worried about her future and that she fears about a lot of things in her life...or how my dad hurt his hands...or how sad one of my spiritual masters is feeling these days (his reasons for sadness are my reasons too, but it's the fact that he's sad which is crushing my heart)..these kinds of thoughts don't let me sleep and I find myself shedding tear for them while I can't do anything..

saturn is really making the Pisces qualities (guilt, empathy, tears..) kick in even harder

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posted March 10, 2017 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 3l3n     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun Pisces 29deg
ASC Gemini 29deg
DSC Sag 29deg
Transit Saturn 27deg. will station to go retrograde at 28deg I believe.

I don't think I've cried so much in my life than this past couple of weeks. Yes, I feel I've hit rock bottom in every aspect of my life.

I'm sure the Eclipses also have something to do with all this.
Plus I have Tr Neptune exact square my Moon for the second time atm.

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posted March 10, 2017 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGemV2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about dominant/ruling planets that are mutables?

My Mercury in Gemini, which is my dominant planet forms several key conjunctions and trines in my chart and its at 26 Degrees.

But my sun is at 21 Degrees, so I don't consider my sun a late degree.

So I sorta feel it, I've been drain lately whenever I can I just stay in bed all day.

I don't have the same enthusiasm for things as I use to. I have the just do enough to get things done mentality right now.

Good thing you told me I will be encountering some other Mutable People today.

I think I will bring a cake to lighten up the mood.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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posted March 10, 2017 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lerena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a late Gemini Moon at 28 degrees. So far, I feel emotionally blunted, which could be from Saturn's opposition to my Moon. The feeling of being emotionally blunted has lightened up a bit, but it's still there. For about a week, however, I didn't care about much of anything, which only lessened my desire to do things I needed to do. The only reason I did anything that week was because I knew how important it was to get those things done.

Regardless, after the first couple of days, the worst had ended. The worst was me feeling like I couldn't enjoy anything at all. When the first couple of days passed, the feeling was even kind of pleasant. It still feels weird to say that, but this transit is making it easier to concentrate and focus, two things I generally struggle with.

Anyway, before the emotional bluntness, things were pretty bad. I was apathetic and bored, plus I lacked the energy to do something about it. Strangely enough, I don't feel like my energy is drained right now. Instead, I feel like I'm more able to do things. My emotions being blunted, I also display less emotion. This makes it easier to not overreact to things.

Of course, the emotional bluntness may just be the beginning. Saturn hasn't finished transiting my Moon, so who knows what else will happen? Still, for the moment, the transit isn't utterly destroying me like I expected.

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posted March 10, 2017 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When Saturn opposed my Moon/Venus/SN, and squared my Mars, I was depressed for most of the year. Then it was conjunct my mum's Sun, and we lost my Pisces Aunt (November 30th, 2015). Saturn had moved back to conjunct my Neptune, and mum's Sun, when we lost her, too.

So I was living under that kind of fear the entire time. It hasn't left me with the trine to my Sun, but I'm calmer than I was.

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posted March 10, 2017 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DualGemV2:

I think I will bring a cake to lighten up the mood.



Awww that is so sweet ,I have been making sure I keep Icecream always in the fridge these days, ran out yesterday though. I need to get more. Ha come to think of it I dreamt of chocolate cookies last night.

Clearly mercury in gemini is significant bc I can relate a lot with what you said too.

@girlwiththerainysoul yes sleep has been more challenging lately and getting a good night sleep is so important for me, it does seem that my cases are effecting me more emotionally too. Good input about saturn conjunct neptune bringing out the pisces traits more..

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posted March 10, 2017 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
When Saturn opposed my Moon/Venus/SN, and squared my Mars, I was depressed for most of the year. Then it was conjunct my mum's Sun, and we lost my Pisces Aunt (November 30th, 2015). Saturn had moved back to conjunct my Neptune, and mum's Sun, when we lost her, too.

So I was living under that kind of fear the entire time. It hasn't left me with the trine to my Sun, but I'm calmer than I was.


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posted March 10, 2017 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Sun,Neptune at the 29th Degree.

To be perfectly honest, there is so much going on in my chart right now. I just don't know which planet is doing what.

From my last experience with Saturn energy is that it tends to "compress" the planet it touches

So far its conjunction to my Sun is not making any waves. But ask me again when it goes retrograde.

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posted March 10, 2017 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a lot of later-degree (mid-third deconate) mutable and cardinal planets and points.

A few of you seem to have some of MY placements too! *hug*

I know that we like to point at astrology as 'the reason' for things going wrong. (And it might be?).

And, we can actually fall into a very very (innocent but) self-deceiving spirit of blaming other people for being a 'potential abuser' in our lives just-based on a single rock on a piece of paper/electronic-visual.

We ARE human.
And it is completely Perfectly NATURAL to do that.

I think it's a 'coping mechanism' that when things overwhelm our thinking and we are flooded with undealt emotions, we project what we suffer-within, outwardly (on rocks, and relationships) so that we can feel clearer and sort things out for ourselves.

EVERYBODY does that..... *Heart*

Gently, it's one thing when we all are "only" playing a "parlor game" and trying in an introductory vocabulary way to learn how to speak and synthesize the layers of astrological jargon.

But it's a rather potentially very serious red-flag we need to pay attention to, when we start to 'judge' other people then 'act out' on them, as though they are harmers based on ONE asteroid, or, the rock-placements in their charts? ....

If you think deeply about it--

That's a very lonely and quite scary world to be in, to be 'that' tight and paranoid? (Myself included.)

Humanely, we check people's charts to see if they are out 'to get us'-- hurt us? Bottom line would be so that we can Feel Safe being us-with-them.

BTW, I'm not saying they are NOT either? *grin* I've seen some perhaps false-positive validations with those, too???? I am NOT exempt from this.

A little humor.

There was a poster I had behind the door in my bathroom in the 1970s--

*Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean
they're NOT out to get me!* *grin*

I could delineate what's going on in the sky..... but I won't right now. We need to regard the world of REAL people, and those experiencing REAL hurts and threats to their lives and the world's (and our) Peace of Mind right now. ...

(Saw the other thread by Missblyss. Terrible and actual scary things!)


When I went out on my walk this morning, and my head cleared from my OWN negative leftover fantasies from early this morning, I suddenly remembered ----

These 'things' are ONLY 'being SHOWN' to us.

We do NOT have to select this ONTO our own personal future Menu of Manifestations.


ALLOW yourself to 'feel' what you're feeling, and LET IT SLIDE PAST YOU. Don't grip it, as much as you are able to stay conscious to it. ONLY see it as INFORMATION. You do NOT have to 'act' upon things you do not want becoming REAL and added to your life's script right now.

There are scenes from Divergent (if you know that TV series and movie) where the person is given a drug, and then are 'tested' by getting consumed and 'lost' into some kind of fear. They suddenly figure OUT that they can awaken from it, and break OUT of the fear-scenario?

(I used to have a clip that is not available anymore.)


AND, there's a scene from one of the Indiana Jones movies, where he and the woman are TIED to the post while the enemy unknowingly release energetic ghoulies. These were unleashed from the violation of sacred energies in the Ark by Nazi-type of people. *Goodness Prevails*

(topic) Raiders of the Lost Ark - The opening of the Ark (clip from) [4:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APF3SO9tqE


We have a Beautiful Opportunity (as individuals and Collectively) to FIND COMPASSION inside our self for fellow Human Beings right now.

I think~believe that many many many people globally are having 'ptsd' and 'general anxiety' (including depressions born out of a sense of powerlessness and a DIP in people's Hope-thermometer!!)-- DUE TO the chaotic conditions that have emerged from radical (surprise and adversely shocking) political power moves and changes. We are seeing the MANY corruptions, and Dark Sides of leadership-- FOUL deceptions, and coarse souls.

We MAY find that we didn't realize the 'unintended hidden consequences' that resulted from elections around the world in various governments and nation groups.

We were used to having 'more freedom', and people (we were ALL Blind) chose to elect candidates who are very much tyrannical, callous to human suffering, and more dictatorial in their nature?

The world may quite sadly find just how HOOD-WINKED we ALL were? Every one of us, in different ways. *sad*

It's time to Come Together and salvage what there might be leftover soon, if things really really go Saturnian wrong, and economically UN-equal?

Saturn SQUARES to PISCES.... and tChiron Pisces for quite a while (in late mutable degrees.

tChiron Pisces is opposite THIS Full Moon Virgo on Sunday March 12, and square tSaturn-GalacticCenter.


Like I said--- This might be 'a Test' from the Universal Forces (GOD), and the remedy MAY just be that we need to practice the Higher Expression of Neptune Pisces, WITH coming into more Trusting Relationships with one another?

Scary thought?

Learn Better How to put ourselves in the Other Person's Moccasins (as best we can).

Trying to Become more Compassionate and Caring about the Other... How might *we* feel in *their* situations and circumstances? Let yourself be part of the Solution.

We can go far when we work towards Building Bridges of understanding between people?, to the Best we Can do it. Yes we may fail at times, but We Get Up and Keep on Trying.

8990 Compassion
4029 Bridges

(music) We Fall Down (Donnie McClurkin, lyrics, gospel) [4:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNx0T6E_ds


One of the tests of the soul is what are YOU going to do, when you realize you have Advantage over the other, and nobody would notice if you didn't do the Right thing by them? *Heart*

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posted March 10, 2017 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry M but that is too long, I read part of it. All I know is that transits affect mood and synastry can show you if you have karma to work through with someone. Now I do deal with it the best I can and try hard to work through it and go back to that place of love.

Even numerology wise my numerology essence number for this year is karmic debt number 13 which fits saturn hitting my strongest planet Neptune squaring my luminaries and activating this tsquare.

Those with the 13 Karmic Debt may experience much frustration, and will have to work very hard to accomplish any task. Think of it as a consequence of a previous lifetime dominated by laziness, taking advantage of others and similar bad choices.

Obstacles arise for those with a 13 Karmic Debt and must be overcome time and time again. One may often feel burdened and frustrated by the futility of their efforts -- there may be a desire to surrender to the difficulties and simply give up on the goal. But success is well within reach; one simply must work hard and persevere in order to reach the goal. Many highly successful people in all walks of life, including business, art and athletics, have a 13 Karmic Debt.

The key to succeeding with the 13 is focus. A temptation with the 13 is to take shortcuts, but too often, that easy success doesn't come, causing regret and the desire to give up. The result is a poor self-image and the belief that one is incapable of amounting to very much. Order is essential to success with the 13 Karmic Debt. You must maintain a schedule, follow through, keep your environment neat and under control and never procrastinate.

Crazy how numerology and astrology can coincide with a theme...

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posted March 10, 2017 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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