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aquagembaby
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posted March 13, 2017 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anybody know of something in the chart that could contribute to this?

To clarify, by "strange/creepy" I don't simply mean every man that approaches me. Obviously, just b/c a man tries to engage you, it's not necessary to label them creeps.
What I mean is literally awkward and strange men.

Ex. One guy followed me for 5+ blocks while walking even after I made it clear that I did not want to talk to him. After I stopped responding back to his questions, he kept trying to talk to me even after I would not respond.

I suppose the same could be applied for males attracting strange women as well.

I have Venus in Aqua square Mars in Gemini

I also have Venus square Pluto but a wide orb

Does anybody have similar occurrences with these aspects?

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posted March 13, 2017 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This post describes my experiences down to a "T."

I have venus opposition pluto. I think venus-pluto aspects are the main culprit.

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posted March 13, 2017 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus conj the DSC?

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posted March 13, 2017 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@astra yeah I figured. it's very unsettling but i'm so used to it

@Ami i don't have Uranus conj DSC but my 7H ruler is conjunct Uranus and Neptune >.<

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posted March 14, 2017 01:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been sexually assaulted 3 times over the past 4 years, and one of those times was by a repeat stalker. My friends who have lived in the same neighborhood as me for years haven't experienced any issues. I have Venus conjunct Pluto natally. Uranus does sit somewhat close to the DSC, in my 7th house, as well.

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posted March 14, 2017 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@wal2 wow that is scary and horrible that happened to you. i guess you can never underestimate venus/pluto energy

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posted March 14, 2017 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@aquagembaby Thanks, I'm ok. My entire life I've somehow been aware of my tendency to attract creeps. I don't do online dating or Tinder, I don't participate in random conversations with other men who try to strike one up with me, and I don't listen to music on earphones when I'm walking alone. I get that it might be ok for other people, but I've always known that it's different for me. I guess because of my pre-vigilance it's been fortunate that each time I was able to circumvent the situation before it got serious.

I noticed my stalker on the street long before he started following me. I just saw the look in his eye and I knew it would be a problem. When he tried to follow me into my building he didn't anticipate that I would have remembered his face from a week ago. I don't know what would have happened if he would have made it all the way inside. When I confronted him he tried to grab me but i was already screaming. He came back for me five times and I saw him from far away every time so thankfully nothing happened. I did move because of him though.

The first time this happened I was listening to music while walking home in my normally very safe neighborhood at night. I saw a shadow approaching me and I ripped my earphones out but it has always been nothing. Well, this time it wasn't, but as soon as he lurched at me I was already screaming so he was forced to let me go. I don't think he anticipated that I was in fact paying attention and noticed the shadow of someone running up behind me.

My Venus/Pluto conjunction is in Scorpio. I've always lived by the mantra that only the paranoid survive. Pluto may have brought me this cross to bear but I'd like to think there is a reciprocity of karma here. I don't look at it as a bad thing most of the time.

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posted March 14, 2017 03:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal09     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun conjunct Uranus with 7H Pisces Moon and I have to travel from a very urban city often via Greyhound.

I used to write about my travels and the weirdness, but I think I'm become numb to it.

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posted March 14, 2017 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal09     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wal2:
@aquagembaby Thanks, I'm ok. My entire life I've somehow been aware of my tendency to attract creeps. I don't do online dating or Tinder, I don't participate in random conversations with other men who try to strike one up with me, and I don't listen to music on earphones when I'm walking alone. I get that it might be ok for other people, but I've always known that it's different for me. I guess because of my pre-vigilance it's been fortunate that each time I was able to circumvent the situation before it got serious.

I noticed my stalker on the street long before he started following me. I just saw the look in his eye and I knew it would be a problem. When he tried to follow me into my building he didn't anticipate that I would have remembered his face from a week ago. I don't know what would have happened if he would have made it all the way inside. When I confronted him he tried to grab me but i was already screaming. He came back for me five times and I saw him from far away every time so thankfully nothing happened. I did move because of him though.

The first time this happened I was listening to music while walking home in my normally very safe neighborhood at night. I saw a shadow approaching me and I ripped my earphones out but it has always been nothing. Well, this time it wasn't, but as soon as he lurched at me I was already screaming so he was forced to let me go. I don't think he anticipated that I was in fact paying attention and noticed the shadow of someone running up behind me.

My Venus/Pluto conjunction is in Scorpio. I've always lived by the mantra that only the paranoid survive. Pluto may have brought me this cross to bear but I'd like to think there is a reciprocity of karma here. I don't look at it as a bad thing most of the time.[/QUOTE

You have gone through so much shite. Glad your still with us.

I have been victimized as well. I have 8th house Chiron opposite my Sun/Uranus conjunction.

Just for full disclosure, I have 4H Sagde Venus conjunct my Scorpio IC in sextile 2H Libran Pluto.

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posted March 14, 2017 05:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This may be a Neptune flavour i.e Pisces or connections to the 12th.

Creepy people are often those who don't respect boundaries/privacy etc.

Also, these types tend to prey on the loners or take the opportunity when you separate yourself from a crowd.

Since Pisces/Neptune/12th house strong people have inclinations of being alone. They may find themselves unwittingly attracting those whom may impose themselves on them.

As a Mars conjunct the Dsc, attracting more agressive people is my issue at times. Or atleast people with an uneven temperament.

Now if Neptune is there or the ruler aspects Neptune. Or even Pisces on the cusp of the 7th/Venus in Pisces, this could extend to everyday contact with some pretty strange/bizarre people.

Most people can sense the Pisces innate vulnerability. So these guys should be vigilant of those that may take advantage of it.

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Aries23Degrees
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posted March 14, 2017 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 14, 2017 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koniucha     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This happens to me sometimes. I have Mars in my 12th house, conjunct Neptune.

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posted March 14, 2017 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars in Scorpio on ASC exact from 12th. It is also parallel Pluto in declinations.

What I have noticed is that a lot of people that I attract tend to be physically obsessed with me at times. It is a very unsettling feeling and often it's like I ooze this sort of highly magnetic energy that hooks people like fish.

However, I'm not vulnerable in this sense. I can easily ward people off if need be.

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posted March 14, 2017 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beautiful_Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been a magnet for creeps, to the point where I wondered what was going on... Pluto was opposing my natal Venus and Uranus is almost finished transiting my 7th house (thank God!)

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posted March 14, 2017 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@wal2
Yeah it's interesting you brought up karma. I also was wondering how karma plays into this and what are the lessons to be learned from it. For example, maybe it's calling you to stick up for yourself more, or to be more cautious and less careless.

@Aries23Degrees
That makes a lot of sense about Neptune/Pisces not knowing boundaries. Could it work the other way also though? Like someone that DOES the stalking and makes others uncomfortable may have a lot of Neptune/Pisces influence, since they themselves know no boundaries

@Electro DGX
yeah Mars could do this too in a more hostile way. I think my Mars square Venus really attracts pushy and forceful types, along w/ the creepiness

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posted March 15, 2017 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@aquagembaby When it comes to astrology I like to toe the line rather close to the mythological archetype. I think Pluto in astrology ultimately represents an awareness of death which extends to human morality. Obviously Pluto is linked to the Devil and other deities who rule "down there" and represent the opposite of "up there" whatever those may be called to the individual. Humans have been trying to figure out why we die for millions of years. I noticed that, in general, individuals with prominent Pluto aspects to their personal planets have, perhaps innately, a higher awareness of our mortality. Since the prehistoric time of humans there has always been a concept of judgment upon death, or having to atone for the "bad" things we do, or that our good/evil nature is somehow intrinsically linked to mortality. I don't think that's just coincidence. Some people take their awareness and react with fear and denial, like the guy above, but the awareness exists nonetheless. I believe for me that having Pluto conjunct Venus in my natal chart is calling me to awareness of the mortality of Venus-ruled things such as love and beauty. Tapping into the realm you're bound to pick up some weirdos who also linger there and perhaps react to that kind of energy with malicious intent.

I have another anecdotal story about Pluto. I once came across a guy on youtube who I guess claims to be a longevity coach or something, and his career is based on selling expensive herbs to people that are purportedly good for their health and keeps diseases away. He's really good at what he does. But of course, we all die no matter how many supplements we take. He's really good at making you forget that. At the time I was really re-thinking my stance on what Pluto means in astrology and I managed to get his birthdate from facebook due to personal friends wishing him happy birthday. When I looked at his chart I noticed his Sun in Leo in aversion to his Pluto in Virgo, with Pluto not making any major aspects I could see without a birth time. So, I checked the sign ruler of Mercury, and it's conjunct to his Sun. A lot of people have Mercury conjunct Sun, and even so in the sign of Leo, but through sign rulership we can see a thread here that ties his Sun, Mercury, and Pluto together. And since Pluto lacks major aspects, this is one of the only ways in the natal chart in which it can express itself. So, it makes sense that he makes a career out of proselytizing (Sun/Mercury) about how to cheat death (Pluto).

Relating this back to mythology, Pluto conjunct Venus reminds me strongly of the myth of Pluto and his wife, Pluto's attempt at Venus-ruled partnership. The process of this involved abduction and rape of an unsuspecting woman, Persephone. Her mother Ceres threatened to make the Earth barren unless her daughter was returned, but Persephone tasted fruit from the Underworld and therefore could not fully leave. Ceres made the Earth less capable of hosting life for the time her daughter remains in the Underworld, aka autumn and winter. For me this myth is full of karmic lessons. There's not much justice here for Persephone, but life sometimes is like that. Bad things sometimes happen spontaneously, and we as people have been trying to explain why since our existence. Since the model of most religions and moral thought is that our death is intrinsically linked to our "bad"ness, once we've been exposed to the capability for evil in human nature, we can never make that invisible to our conscious again. It's similar as well to Eve in the garden with the apple. And, as we can see, in both the Bible and Ancient myth, the karmic reciprocation for evil is generally some form of death. In the Bible, eating the apple ushered in the sinfulness and mortality of man, and mythology targeted our capability to produce food, which in a way is also targeting the mortality of man since we need food to survive.

Of course not everyone with prominent Pluto becomes a rapist, sexual assault victim, or a longevity quack. But yes, if there is a guy out there waiting for women to walk by him alone with earphones in so he can do something horrible and against all morals to her, he may be more attracted to the kind of energy I carry versus another due to this aspect. By the way, I have moon in Virgo and the asteroid Ceres in Cancer. I'd like to think of those placements as little talismans to offset the possible sinister side of Pluto/Venus. That could be why I've always been able to sense and circumvent this kind of attack on me? Not sure.

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posted March 15, 2017 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@wal2
I agree that story of Pluto's wife definitely reminds me of Pluto/Venus energy - full of misfortune but still capable of growth through the transformation that occurs.

well if this Venus/Pluto energy brings you these misfortunes, but you say you're equipped w/ the awareness to recognize it, what lesson or purpose do you believe this has for you personally? idk lately i've been interested in asking the "why"s when it comes to astrology and things in our chart

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posted March 15, 2017 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wal2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@aquagembaby Hmm, that's a good question I probably need to meditate on. Well, I'm only reaching 30 so I'm not sure all of the karmic lessons have unfolded for me quite yet. I think it'll take me quite a bit of time to understand the full effects of Pluto.

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posted March 15, 2017 10:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I have Mars in Scorpio on ASC exact from 12th. It is also parallel Pluto in declinations.

What I have noticed is that a lot of people that I attract tend to be physically obsessed with me at times. It is a very unsettling feeling and often it's like I ooze this sort of highly magnetic energy that hooks people like fish.

However, I'm not vulnerable in this sense. I can easily ward people off if need be.


I also have the Pluto parallel and same problem. My husband also has the Pluto parallel (Pluto conj Dsc and Uranus in 7H) and he's had even worse problems than I! STRANGE and uncomfortable encounters :-/

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posted March 15, 2017 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Electro DGX:
I have Mars in Scorpio on ASC exact from 12th. It is also parallel Pluto in declinations.

What I have noticed is that a lot of people that I attract tend to be physically obsessed with me at times. It is a very unsettling feeling and often it's like I ooze this sort of highly magnetic energy that hooks people like fish.

However, I'm not vulnerable in this sense. I can easily ward people off if need be.


I also have the Pluto parallel and same problem. My husband also has the Pluto parallel (Pluto conj Dsc and Uranus in 7H) and he's had even worse problems than I! STRANGE and uncomfortable encounters :-/

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posted March 15, 2017 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Aquagembaby

This world we live in does not have exclusion. Mostly we attract that which we are ;whether on a subconscious level or conscious one.

As much as we have the qualities that "attract", there are those that are attracted. And they identify with these qualities too.

So if you know yourself to be someone who is shy,timid and not very assertive, there are those whom you will attract that will empower you to be more certain of yourself

The 1st could be attracting people whom you will be grateful for helping you, protecting you etc. But over time, you will notice how these same people will turn to dominate your life and even bully you.

When the dynamics of the relationships shift from "helper" to inhibiter, the call is for you to assert your independence and win back self autonomy.

The other more immediate way this could manifest is attracting those whom will take advantage of you immediately.

The call here is to assert your boundaries and avoid feeling fearful or threatened that someone will see through the facade.

Projecting confidence, walking head high and chest out goes a long in helping one become seen and recognized in the world.

Often times we can tell people who are not confident by their body language. How much more then can you imagine someone with sinister intentions can do the same?

Often stalkers are not amateurs and are aware of psychological cues and mind games. They seek to victimize from a passive point of view and don't feel confident with people that threaten them.

Not to say all victims are "weaklings". But many are reduced to this position to imprison them and make them fearful of the world. And this is the out outcome that most of them want.

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