posted March 15, 2017 05:02 PM            

And mercurial people are natural and can be an excellent manipulator, if they have cancer or scorpio, this people can frequently use this power naturally.

But, my question is, why they do emotional manipulation to people (or especially in relationship)? What is their intention? If they love the person why they like damaging the person with emotional manipulation? What exactly they want from the person (so they can stop this behavior)?

posted March 15, 2017 08:08 PM            

And if a person is more aware through their feelings rather than "cold thoughts" and consider feelings to be "deep" then of course their feelings are going to be felt more powerfully, and they'll know how to best affect the feelings of others. Perhaps they hurt you this way because they feel hurt by you, or are very scared they will be hurt in ways you may not be able to fully appreciate and understand, unless they keep some control over the situation. And using emotional manipulation to control (with rewards as well as punishments) is harder to identify than say physical affection/violence used to accomplish the same thing while being able to actually do more harm than a lot of physical violence (and much harder to quantify or prosecute). And if you're a person very easily hurt then such control becomes important.

Some people feel that only feelings are deep, and that their feelings inform them more than anything rational. This makes it very easy for them to overlook their own bad behaviors while magnifying the bad behavior of others, and from their perspective they're just dishing out what they get, and if you try to explain why this isn't acceptable then they feel you're the one emotionally manipulating them, because their feelings say they are justified while you are not, and for you to challenge their personal view is to hurt them, so you're being cruel in their mind...and are inclined to think their feelings are never wrong (and if they understand their world through feelings then that makes sense as it would be terrifying to consider that their feelings are not always right). If they're prone to feeling guilty or hurt then they'll also be hyper-defensive which can come off as emotionally cruel.

Those who are abused growing up or spend a long time being abused can also take on the belief that they must be the hammer or the nail, that is they can either hurt, or they will be hurt. Naturally, hurting others is just begging to be hurt back, but again these are people who FEEL more than they think. (My Scorpio mother believes people will hurt her anyway and doesn't seem to connect her own behavior of lashing out at others to being why people hurt her, so all she's doing from her perspective is giving some back rather than letting others walk all over her. That said, some people really did hurt her through no fault of her own, but it wounded her really bad, and as someone once said a cat that jumps on a hot stove won't jump on another, but also won't jump on a cold one, either.)

Likewise, people traumatized by abuse and such can sometimes take to tormenting others because by seeing others deal with it helps them mentally prepare how to deal with it themselves the next time they must endure it (and maybe it combines with the "hammer or nail" philosophy so that by hurting others they are spared being hurt).

posted March 16, 2017 09:54 AM            

I tend to play these games when i want to know that i am appreciated i.e i will stay away for.a.long timeand then only briefly touch base.

When you dont express how much you missed me-especially after i have. I take it that i am not that important in your life.

I do this quite often as i like to feel needed. But as much as that may be the case, i dont want u around me all the time- as i dont like cling ons.

Moon in Cancer trine Saturn in Scorpio

posted March 17, 2017 12:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I am not an overly attached Moon in Cancer at all. But i am the moody kind.

I tend to play these games when i want to know that i am appreciated i.e i will stay away for.a.long timeand then only briefly touch base.

When you dont express how much you missed me-especially after i have. I take it that i am not that important in your life.

I do this quite often as i like to feel needed. But as much as that may be the case, i dont want u around me all the time- as i dont like cling ons.

Moon in Cancer trine Saturn in Scorpio

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So reading this , I wanted share with you something that just never dawned on me for some reason until the past few years. I use to never express those things nor ask them. I would only make jokes to express myself on an emotional level because it felt to heavy and I just had this notion that if I was spending time with someone they automatically knew I was missing them or liked them etc. I would say I love someone but only when things were committed. etc. I learned that words can mean a lot but I had always been more about action. Although I can say that if someone asked me if they missed me I would respond to that.

Funny, awhile back a guy I had seen on and off had asked if I had missed him, then I had asked if he had missed me? I have never said that to anyone that I had dated. LIKE EVER!!!

posted March 17, 2017 01:15 PM            

It sounds all too familiar I have always felt it better to be loved than love.

posted March 17, 2017 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
i cant be manipulated.

that shows more of something about you than them.

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Good for you.

But I'm not really sure what do you mean by the last sentence?

I put the question here because I've seen the pattern in some particular signs and can't understand why they choose this behavior where the point is, why they can not see, I mean, they can actually destroy the people that they admit they are being loyal to or love to by using this tactic in relationship.

posted March 19, 2017 02:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
[b]@ colorful butterfly

It sounds all too familiar I have always felt it better to be loved than love.

It sounds terrible ....yes.But the irony always seems to be that u get your heart broken by someone you never thought would come close enough to touch it 😕[/B]

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posted March 19, 2017 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by unforgiven_soul:
Pluto is responsible for manipulation. In the persons natal chart look for the aspected Pluto and in your synastry his Pluto does something to a sensitive planet of yours. The manipulative people have no other way of getting what they want. This category is also connected with narcissists in psychology, talking about experiences. Their love is sick and egoistic, so there's nothing real there, except disorders... The best thing you can do is just leave. It always gets worse as time goes by.

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posted March 23, 2017 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Because of insecurity and/or selfishness. When we've not yet matured to the wisdom of choosing Love-power as one thing rather than a duality of love vs power, we get too easily caught in choosing power in the attempt to protect ourselves and keep one up on the other person. Never works.

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